CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

[Seattle1]

New court document posted.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/People's Receipt of Exhibits.pdf

The attached is a court document showing that the 30 exhibits from the hearing on the 19th of February have been uploaded to the e-file system for the courts.

Take note this is "Peoples Receipt of Exhibits" only -- notice that Exhibits from the hearing were uploaded at conclusion of 2/19 hearing.

The actual Exhibits are not public at this time.

 

[justaparent]

I don't think it's sexist. I think what's going on is that PF is being written off as the psychopath that he is while, since she didn't actually kill Kelsey, a greater expectation of decency is being put on KK, as though she's some kind of normal human being who might empathize as a mother. Well, forget that. She's a monster, too. If PF hadn't done it, perhaps on her next trip to Colorado, KK would have. She wanted to and made mind boggling moves in that direction. She's a dangerous person. He's worse since he did the killing but as to who is more evil, well, I think they're pretty equal. He seems rage driven but she seems more calculating. The solicitation stories come from her and for all we know, she initiated them. Maybe that's why he complained he was railroaded.

I agree completely. Kk was the motivating force in all of this and he is just some stupid man who goes along with whatever is handed him. It may have taken months for KK to drive it in that KB needed to be killed but it was her idea make no doubt about that. She’s cold and calculating and when you combine that with an idiotic man there’s always trouble.

 

[gitana1]

A psychopathic monster like this would have had no qualms in killing a child. But if he had there would have been many more questions and probably searches by members of his family who were attached to the baby. It was easier to get rid Of KB and spin the tales he had already attempted, the stories about her being unstable and wanting to get away from everyone. In my opinion that would not have flown if she left with the baby. I seriously doubt the baby means anything to him. I hope I am wrong because if she does that’s one small shred of humanity that he still possesses.

To me this whole thing was about the baby. I truly believe it didn't have much to do with anything else but his desire to possess the child completely without having to deal with custody, the risk of a possible move by the mom, etc.

But I think this is based not on love, but on the disordered, dysfunctional view of his child as a possession and on enmeshment- the inability to view his child as a separate individual with her own needs and desires.

What he wants and needs is what his child wants and needs. If he truly loved her as a separate being he wouldn't take away her mother.

I thank God the baby is away from him and his family.

 

[Dave F.]

Why would she be concerned about having to lie to him about her whereabouts and why did she need him to take her to get a new cellphone Dec 4? I think if she moved out, it was after the murder occurred.

Investigator Slater testified that CL was the principal on the Verizon account. KKL was the secondary cell user. There is a huge difference in cost between two separate Verizon individual accounts and a master / subordinate setup like they have. She needed him to purchase the new phone for her, and probably to use the bonus points that accumulate toward an upgrade or replacement. PF and KB had the same kind of Verizon arrangement.
If you don't have Verizon, I might add that they have the best service in the industry and in the west, have the only service in many, many areas. The flip side is that they are both expensive and often difficult to understand.
As the master who receives the bill, CL would have access to all of her phone call information. My guess is that she asked her friend to receive an obvious lie, that she was too drunk to make it home; to cover for another lie that she told to him. As I stated earlier in this thread, perhaps that sheds some light on the reasons for their divorce. IMO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

last I checked it was owned by MIL and she lived on property.

I feel awfull for CL,children,and family. I hope they have protection,and sheild from getting dragged into this through no fault of their own. I can't imagine what they must be going through right now. Then the aftermath they'll have to deal,and cope with.

 

[UnicornDragon]

I took a break from the case due to the pretty rampant sexism on-going.

Is KK a bad person? Yes, that's not for debate.

But all of the continued bashing and demeaning of her is ignoring the fact that the real monster is PF. And for as evil as KK is, without her speaking, they apparently don't have much of a case.

The entire case, all along, has been some pretty strong sexism and I'm just tired of feeling like it has to be defended. It's the boys will be boys and girls should be demure, quiet, prim and proper, only good to be a mother.

 

[oviedo]

@MsBetsy I found it:

Prosecutors later asked Adams about the state of Berreth’s apartment after she was reported missing. He said she had flowers on her kitchen table, and that her purse and house keys were missing. Her car keys were still inside the home, and there was no indication she had packed any luggage or taken any clothes, Adams said.

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth

Oh dear - that's so sad- I wonder if there was any blood on them - and sure hope they checked IMO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

And it splashed all over the internet as was done in the Chris Watts case

So KK would see it.
MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Why would she be concerned about having to lie to him about her whereabouts and why did she need him to take her to get a new cellphone Dec 4? I think if she moved out, it was after the murder occurred.

I don't think we know that she moved out. If she did, maybe she was supposed to have the kids so she lied about having to help her friend move.
They seemed to get along ok despite the divorce so they may have spoken on a regular basis. The kids are young and involved in school activities, apparently. Jmo

 

[gitana1]

I agree completely. Kk was the motivating force in all of this and he is just some stupid man who goes along with whatever is handed him. It may have taken months for KK to drive it in that KB needed to be killed but it was her idea make no doubt about that. She’s cold and calculating and when you combine that with an idiotic man there’s always trouble.

Wow.

 

[gitana1]

I feel awfull for CL,children,and family. I hope they have protection,and sheild from getting dragged into this through no fault of their own. I can't imagine what they must be going through right now. Then the aftermath they'll have to deal,and cope with.

Thank God those kids have a father. I hope too that he works hard to get them away from the chaos. But I also hope he takes custody. A woman like that is a danger to society and should not have custody of a child IMO.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Good post.
Still curious as to where mommy and PF were headed.
Don't tell me SF knew nothing. It looked as if she was helping PF to flee.
MOO

Or hide baby K from them? I have no doubt they were following things closely, they had to know they were closing in, and we're scrambling to secret Baby K away before they got them.
MOO

 

[Reachingfornettles]

I feel awfull for CL,children,and family. I hope they have protection,and sheild from getting dragged into this through no fault of their own. I can't imagine what they must be going through right now. Then the aftermath they'll have to deal,and cope with.

I woke up thinking about them... Sad for all the babies they are the ones who suffer. Im wondering if KK thought for a second about them during her attempts and clean ups. She sure wasn't there during school break. She was helping make sure that another baby was an orphan.

 

[oviedo]

Or hide baby K from them? I have no doubt they were following things closely, they had to know they were closing in, and we're scrambling to secret Baby K away before they got them.
MOO

I have wondered from the beginning about the day of arrest activities - did LE know they were heading out? Did they wiretap the house ? Perhaps the search warrants will reveal more about their investigation - but something triggered both of them to leave that morning and LE to intercept them IMO. What was it?

 

[MyBelle]

Emphasis mine

Agreed.
As if PF's friends or acquaintances think it was KK or some random outsider.
Because, (in their estimation) PF would never commit such an atrocity....
But I believe LE have their man.

I think his friends may be having difficulty coming to grips with the idea that PF-- who supposedly spent months premeditating KB's murder and concocted a story about KB's gun, possible suicide, visit to grandmother--then, according to KK's version, chose such a violent method that immediately pointed the finger at himself.

Bludgeoning KB with a ball bat in her own home as KK describes makes absolutely no sense in the context of the story PF was trying to lay out for CB and probably his family as well.
JMO

 

[Mimi in London]

RSBM

In a baseball bat attack, how does a whole tooth become dislodged and end up in a vent? Just me, I would expect broken off teeth.

This was explained (tangentially) here back in December, before rumours were verified.

A poster gave a technical description, several times, about how the force of a blow to the back of the head can cause teeth to fly out with such velocity they can become embedded in a wall.

There is even a technical name for it. I wish I could find the posts.

ETA Just seen enelram already referred to this today.

 

[MsBetsy]

Thank God those kids have a father. I hope too that he works hard to get them away from the chaos. But I also hope he takes custody. A woman like that is a danger to society and should not have custody of a child IMO.

How does a mother explain what she did to her children?
Mommy got in trouble for planning to kill someone but it's okay because I changed my mind and didn't do it? I only cleaned up the mess? That's going to be a tough one. Imo

 

[gitana1]

I took a break from the case due to the pretty rampant sexism on-going.

Is KK a bad person? Yes, that's not for debate.

But all of the continued bashing and demeaning of her is ignoring the fact that the real monster is PF. And for as evil as KK is, without her speaking, they apparently don't have much of a case.

The entire case, all along, has been some pretty strong sexism and I'm just tired of feeling like it has to be defended. It's the boys will be boys and girls should be demure, quiet, prim and proper, only good to be a mother.

Oh she deserves to be bashed. But when we start getting into twisting or ignoring evidence in order to blame her for the murder and absolve PF, or when that's not possible we start seeing other ways of making her culpable - she's the mastermind even if she didn't do the deed and he was just some unwitting dupe of hers- that's when it just gets into the realm of absurdity to me. Sexist absurdity.

One has to ignore what's been said about him by those who've known him. How he beat horses. Once lost his temper so badly he threw over a whole horse trailer with the horse in it. And one has to ignore his demeanor. In the aftermath of the brutal murder of the mother of his child, he calmly ate Thanksgiving dinner, and went about life, coldly lying about KB, making up stories to show she was a messed up person. And then how he glared silently, and sinisterly at the media with a suppressed but very controlled rage.

That took some balls. A normal person being hounded by the media when they're suspected of murder would probably have a hard time staring silently like that, with such purpose and intense eye contact. He's used to calling the shots and lying and not being challenged, IMO.

Everything about the case makes sense from the perspective that he was the engineer and tried to get his strung along lover to be the tool.

She reeks of insecurity and desperation. He reeks of control and rage.

Even the language she says he used, "You better get over here. You have a mess to clean up." Sounds about right to me. Sounds like the language used by a man who controls women and knows how to play on their emotions and utilize their insecurities for his own gain.

And yet? It can't be him. He's just an idiot. The witch is the one who designed it all.

Ugh.

 

[mtnlites]

I agree completely. Kk was the motivating force in all of this and he is just some stupid man who goes along with whatever is handed him. It may have taken months for KK to drive it in that KB needed to be killed but it was her idea make no doubt about that. She’s cold and calculating and when you combine that with an idiotic man there’s always trouble.

I DO "make no doubt about that" when it comes to KB's death being KK's idea. We don't know that. PF is not passive in this. And I don't think you get more "cold and calculating" then covering your baby mama's eyes and repeatedly swinging a bat at her head.

 

[Dave F.]

To me this whole thing was about the baby. I truly believe it didn't have much to do with anything else but his desire to possess the child completely without having to deal with custody, the risk of a possible move by the mom, etc.

But I think this is based not on love, but on the disordered, dysfunctional view of his child as a possession and on enmeshment- the inability to view his child as a separate individual with her own needs and desires.

What he wants and needs is what his child wants and needs. If he truly loved her as a separate being he wouldn't take away her mother.

I thank God the baby is away from him and his family.

I agree that he viewed the baby as his possession, many fathers do; but have to add that I completely lost count of how many times he claimed he and KB were breaking up, only to keep coming back for more. Some men are serial cheaters. They are completely loyal until their loved one is barely out of hearing range, and are instantly on the phone to today's alternate squeeze. My feeling is that PF worked himself into a state of sheer panic, letting his mind think he was in control of an explosive situation that existed mostly in the depths of his own mind. In that confined space, nobody could move on because PF couldn't stop the panic. He used the bat for his own version of panic control, with horrible consequences. The only way it would have worked is if he had used it on himself instead. IMO