CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[ab01]

yes I agree
but....
I think the DA has had to find supporting confirmation aside of her about every single point to reach her deal she has to bring goods the DA are 100% sure about imo.
no sketchy stuff.
and from what we have seen there is doubts and questions so to my mind there is MUCH MUCH MORE on him via her with supported evidence

moo

I agree, take out that first phone interview and I think many of the statements she has made can be verified! The only things that can’t are the things she said to make herself seem more caring and compassionate imo

 

[PommyMommy]

Investigators depict gruesome murder scene with new details in Berreth murder case. Is Patrick in court Monday to plead or is that bad reporting

I'd say bad reporting. Here is what I have:

3/04 at 8:30 am Patrick Frazee, Motions Hrg (Consumptive Testing)
3/11 at 1:30 pm Patrick Frazee, Scheduling Conf (Wrongful Death)
4/4 at 8:30 a.m. Patrick Frazee, Disposition Hrg (Custody)
4/8/ at 8:30 a.m. Patrick Frazee, Arraignment (Plea)
6/24 at 11 a.m. Krystal Kenney, possibly by phone

 

[Steelslady]

I think we are all struggling to understand that. Not only did she have to drive 800 or so miles (~12 hours) only to spend another 3 hours cleaning up a gruesome mess, she had to borrow a car (with expired tags!!), lie to her ex, leave her kids (presumably with their dad/grandma), meet with PF, witness the burning, get the phone/keys, before turning around and driving another 12 hours, and meet her friend to exchange cars again... What would cause a woman to do all of that? Did she ever think about how much trouble she would be in once LE caught up with her?

This is why I wonder if he had something he was holding over her head. I just can't imagine any woman driving back and forth on four different occasions- so far away, leaving family, friends, and possibly work behind (if she had to take any time off to do so) to do this. It wasn't a two hour trip back and forth. We're talking 24 hours worth of driving time each trip, not including time spent to eat, grab a coffee, get gas, use restroom, stretch legs. I'm in awe (not in a good way) of her being able to do that- four trips from Sept to Nov 24- wow.

 

[Dave F.]

So, Arraignment in April.....

Getting way ahead of things, when are the best guesses of when the actual trial would start? Because i am going to have to go over previous post with a fine tooth comb to keep going just until April.

That still depends entirely if they find some more physical evidence that she is deceased. The blood spatter has not been thoroughly tested, but it does not seem like it will enough to cinch the proof that she is dead. If they don't feel comfortable, they will take the time necessary to build a case for positive conclusion of death the long, slow way. On the other side, the defense presumably will prefer to wait until public shock and outrage has diminished. I think we are looking at next year sometime. I think we will probably see motions hearings every month to six weeks until the general public loses interest in reading them. IMO

 

[ab01]

Detectives laugh about the geniuses who think they can outsmart LE.

They often find Internet searches, books and even the criminals' own handwritten lists of how to do a crime perfectly.

And I’m guessing if PF hadn’t had over a week to dispose of some things we would be left with even more evidence of his stupidity. Which is even that much more idiotic, he had over a week headstart and still managed to leave really obvious clues. I’ll bet he thought he had committed the perfect crime too....I wonder if him and CW can become pen pals? I think they would have a LOT in common.....

 

[ab01]

This is why I wonder if he had something he was holding over her head. I just can't imagine any woman driving back and forth on four different occasions- so far away, leaving family, friends, and possibly work behind (if she had to take any time off to do so) to do this. It wasn't a two hour trip back and forth. We're talking 24 hours worth of driving time each trip, not including time spent to eat, grab a coffee, get gas, use restroom, stretch legs. I'm in awe (not in a good way) of her being able to do that- four trips from Sept to Nov 24- wow.

He did, she was obsessed with him....

 

[lindaromas]

Patrick Frazee to face trial after preliminary hearing
Frazee was also seen on surveillance video at his bank with a baby carrier in the passenger seat and the black tote bag in the rear.

Tote BAG?

 

[jewelsmac]

2 years

 

[lindaromas]

I am not sure what you mean.

"A stipulated judgment is an agreement between the parties to a case, which settles the case. Such agreement or settlement becomes a court judgment when the judge sanctions it. ... For example, if you and your spouse agree on all the matters about your divorce, you can submit a stipulated judgment to the court."

"In legal terms, a stipulation means there's no need for the court to rule on a certain issue, because the parties to the lawsuit already agree on it. You and your spouse might stipulate to certain facts as part of your divorce trial, such as the date you were married or separated, or the number of children you have. These things are not in dispute. You can also stipulate to a resolution of all issues and avoid a trial entirely."

From what I can tell, the divorce was pretty straightforward. They each took parenting classes, which are, I think, pretty standard in divorces where minor children are involved.

Thank you and yes they both completed the parenting classes it was filed right after that and before the divorce was finalized, makes sense now!

 

[jewelsmac]

That still depends entirely if they find some more physical evidence that she is deceased. The blood spatter has not been thoroughly tested, but it does not seem like it will enough to cinch the proof that she is dead. If they don't feel comfortable, they will take the time necessary to build a case for positive conclusion of death the long, slow way. On the other side, the defense presumably will prefer to wait until public shock and outrage has diminished. I think we are looking at next year sometime. I think we will probably see motions hearings every month to six weeks until the general public loses interest in reading them. IMO

So, you mean the regular folk who don't want to be on here with us reading all this.

 

[Steelslady]

Marking spot and just a reminder KK's story of events/places/things does not mean that any of it is true.

Time will tell, but I do believe some of it has to be true. She did lead them to evidence to which lead to PF's arrest. Of course, some of this could be embellished to cover her own tail, but I do think she told the truth on many things. She told of the fire in front of SF's yard, she told where he stored the tote with Kelsey's body in it, she pointed to spots of blood evidence in Kelsey's townhouse that she left behind.

 

[ab01]

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Hahaha I spit my beer out, you owe me one....

 

[PommyMommy]

But with stipulations if I remember correctly!

Edit/add I went back to thread 44 to find my post but golly, that's a lot of searching! Is there a way to search for the posts you made? I even made a comment about wondering what the stipulation was I believe filed 6/2016

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OR

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[Tippy Lynn]

Time will tell, but I do believe some of it has to be true. She did lead them to evidence to which lead to PF's arrest. Of course, some of this could be embellished to cover her own tail, but I do think she told the truth on many things. She told of the fire in front of SF's yard, she told where he stored the tote with Kelsey's body in it, she pointed to spots of blood evidence in Kelsey's townhouse that she left behind.

Cell phone analysis matches up too.
jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Time will tell, but I do believe some of it has to be true. She did lead them to evidence to which lead to PF's arrest. Of course, some of this could be embellished to cover her own tail, but I do think she told the truth on many things. She told of the fire in front of SF's yard, she told where he stored the tote with Kelsey's body in it, she pointed to spots of blood evidence in Kelsey's townhouse that she left behind.

I get that impression as well.

Her account was specific, self incriminating, and supported by corroborating evidence.

 

[lindaromas]

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Thank you Pommy Mommy! Now I'll see if it got the boot or not lol

 

[MemPat]

Also there will be no guilty plea in this case imo. PF is going to ride this out till the end, that’s just who he is!

Maybe to keep Mama from having to testify?

But I predict he'll wait it out 'til the end to avoid going to the Big House any time soon. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

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Yeah!!

More @PommyMommy cliff notes

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Thank you Pommy Mommy! Now I'll see if it got the boot or not lol

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CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #44 *ARREST*

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

What makes this case all the much more sad:
my interpretation only!

It seems to me PF wooed KB they started up a relationship, he was the classic wolf in sheeps clothing.

PF made her promises that he knew he wouldn't keep, Their own ranch out in the country he would make big money etc.

Perfect house perfect family and so on.

He gets her pregnant, she asks for a commitment and rightfully so.

He lies and says its going to happen I just have to make more money, prices on livestock are low etc. just give me more time.

I think his lies finally caught up to him, and KB started asking questions he couldn't lie his way out of.

PF's true colors start to show through and he realizes that he can't lead her on forever bc she wasn't buying his bs anymore.

PF decided that control of his child was worth more than her life, bc how dare she call him out on his lies.

PF starts to look for away to eliminate her and save face and protect his property(his child).

That my friends is a true scocialpath/pyschopath and the heart of this sad reality.

I think thats pretty close to what this whole case boils down to IMO

So incredibly sad!

Especially even more tragic, as I think KB was worth more than a million PF's

JMO how do you think my aim is?

ETA: I think KK was a mere convenience to pf, somebody that he knew was obsessed with him and would do anything to be with him.

Still she willingly went along with him getting rid of Kelsey.