CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[lindaromas]

I don't believe PF loves or cares for ANY woman. I do believe that he cares about his money. The wrongful death lawsuit states "custody". I think PF knew he was going to have to pay child support for 18 years and fought that idea everyway he could. When he realized he was not going to manipulate KB. He eliminated her. He did not love his daughter, he didn't want the financial burden that was about to happen

And I don't think KK has much to do with her kids, she's been a party girl from what I have seen. What a mess PF and KK have made for so many families.

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks for your reply. Sorry I just have a few more questions as I just don’t understand the prelimary hearing as well as I would like. Wouldn’t it have helped the case against PF if they showed proof that she wasn’t in the area when the murder occurred? Or not necessary because it was just a preliminary hearing? I still don’t really get why they include all of the other pings then and leave that specific one out. I’ll leave it alone but I was just hoping for some really clear answer so that I could eliminate her being there. I totally agree that LE knows what they are doing and she most likely was in Idaho I’m just seeking that darn ping to prove it.

My point is that the answer simply isn’t there, as it wasn’t mentioned.

We’d like it, because we are picking over this case, but it wasn’t relevant to the preliminary hearing.

That hearing was about proving there was enough evidence against him, and his movements were being discussed.

When it comes to trial, they will have to show where KK was, especially around the time of the murder.

That’s where the phone data location will come into play, where she is concerned.

It just wasn’t important to convince the judge that KK couldn’t have been involved.

The charges are against him.

 

[Artis]

IIRC, KK said that she took the bags and sat them outside and then put them in her car. Just thinking that it is possible that the cadaver dog when it hit near Kelsey's car that maybe it hit there because that is where KK sat the bags. This is all JMO and thinking out loud but it seems as I remember a cadaver dog hit somewhere near Kelsey's car. But again, I could be wrong and not remembering it correctly, so forgive me if I don't have the story straight, so again, this is JMO.

I thought the same thing and also thought it weird that KK said PF first put the container by the car before putting it in the truck. Why would he tell her that? Seems like TMI. There was also that story about a sock in Kelsey's car that tested positive for her blood. What's up with that? Anyway, agree on those bags of bloodied clean up items. I don't know how the dog or dogs didn't howl and bark the entire time there.

 

[Dave F.]

I feel like the big question is why didn’t LE just say where KK’s phone pinged when PF called her on Nov.22. They give out all of this other phone ping data on the 24th and 25th but leave that one important piece (at least to me) out. Maybe I missed it somewhere. Does anyone have that info? It will definitely help me put things into a better place in my mind relating to KK’s involvement. Thanks in advance.

KKL may have told LE where she was. To verify electronically after so long time had passed, the FBI experts would have to have KKL's phone in hand. She destroyed it Dec. 4th. Inspector Slater testified that he attempted to verify the location of the phone for the 22nd through 24th via search warrant on the location match feature of her Google account assigned to that phone, but discovered she had disabled that app just prior to that time. To execute that search warrant, Slater needed KKL's G-mail address. He said Her ex had it saved in the Contacts feature of his phone, and provided it. IMO

 

[acutename]

ajaylee said: ↑
Apologies for more graphic imagery. I believe there were high ceilings - and blood on the ceiling. With a high ceiling, a weapon like a bat can also be wielded overhand like an axe. Seems like that kind of blow would be more likely to spatter blood upwards.

Still, I envision him in a rage. I tried randomly swinging a soft foam roller around my living room, which is bigger than KB's, and it's hard to do without hitting the wall or a piece of furniture, even if only a glancing blow.

Great points. This is where part of my issue lies.

ETA: BBM (I never bold or rarely until recently on rare occasion so I forget)

the details of this seem weird to me. if he is in a blind rage, how does he only knock one tooth out and then how does he even know where it goes? I guess maybe the adrenaline makes him hyper aware and he does remember details, but I find it surprising. usually a "rage" results in memory loss, IMO.

 

[jewelsmac]

ajaylee said: ↑
Apologies for more graphic imagery. I believe there were high ceilings - and blood on the ceiling. With a high ceiling, a weapon like a bat can also be wielded overhand like an axe. Seems like that kind of blow would be more likely to spatter blood upwards.

Still, I envision him in a rage. I tried randomly swinging a soft foam roller around my living room, which is bigger than KB's, and it's hard to do without hitting the wall or a piece of furniture, even if only a glancing blow.


the details of this seem weird to me. if he is in a blind rage, how does he only knock one tooth out and then how does he even know where it goes? I guess maybe the adrenaline makes him hyper aware and he does remember details, but I find it surprising. usually a "rage" results in memory loss, IMO.

Perhaps he wasn’t in a blind rage. I think he was very controlled and efficient when he brutalized her. He had rage, but I don’t think he flew off the handle and was flailing around. JMO.

 

[GordianKnot]

so true. i guess "he" meant defense in general. if he does not talk they have to bring things out in other ways.

It's going to be a case of, "she said, she said," IMO.

The DA will use KK's testimony to establish and/or cement PF's guilt in the jurors' minds.
The defense will attempt to use KK's testimony on cross to destroy her credibility and nullify, or greatly diminish, her impact as a star witness for the prosecution.

If KK lies about anything when she's up on that witness stand, it's going to be problematic for the DA.

She can't talk out both sides of her mouth, which is going to be a tall order for such a big, fat liar.

I'm sure KK answering every question posed to her with complete truthfulness while under oath is part of her sweetie beauty of a deal.

So, in this case of "She said, she said" the she in question better be sure what she says stays consistent on both direct and cross examination.

JMO.

 

[lindaromas]

If I have it correctly, it was her father, her ex and her buddy, MG, saying she was in Idaho on Thanksgiving. I would still like to see her phone records (that would be the phone that she destroyed) and pings that prove that, only because her circle seems to be a bunch of shady characters. Three people saying it is pretty good evidence but records and pings would remove any doubt. I do believe she was in Idaho, though. She probably has other family who will vouch for her being home, as well.

I sure hope she didn't tell some tall tale to her daddy that she was being cornered in this case and he just said that to cover for her believing his daughter. Hopefully, not, my goodness all the peoples lives that have been messed with by these 2 wicked people, what a sick bunch!

 

[Trocroc9]

KKL may have told LE where she was. To verify electronically after so long time had passed, the FBI experts would have to have KKL's phone in hand. She destroyed it Dec. 4th. Inspector Slater testified that he attempted to verify the location of the phone for the 22nd through 24th via search warrant on the location match feature of her Google account assigned to thast phone, but discovered she had disabled that app just prior to that time. To execute that search warrant, Slater needed KKL's G-mail address. He said Her ex had it saved in the Contacts feature of his phone, and provided it. IMO

I saw that in the affidavit and it said there was no location data on KK’s phone for the suspected murder date of KB. Which is what actually started to make me question where she was and why she turned her location data off. She probably was in Idaho eating turkey but I’m just looking for something solid to go on beside eyewitnesses stating she was there.

 

[lindaromas]

Corrrect.

Slater testifies at #KelseyBerreth attended a Seventh Day Adventist program in CA for anxiety and depression in August 2018. Was not treated for drugs and alcohol, Slater says he was told after checking with clinic. @csgazette

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I'm hoping KB spoke with a counselor and gave every detail of her relationship with PF to them. It will be in a file and used as more evidence.

 

[acutename]

I have my own suspicions that HE was the one who put the gun to Kelsey's head and threatened her. Something about that little tidbit, sounds off.

the whole thing about him having her gun raises Qs in my mind. did she really give it to him? did he take it? did she tell CB anything about this previously? maybe the almost 24 hrs of activities around Thanksgiving, including target shooting, just all sound too frenetic for ordinary people.

 

[ilovechili]

ajaylee said: ↑
Apologies for more graphic imagery. I believe there were high ceilings - and blood on the ceiling. With a high ceiling, a weapon like a bat can also be wielded overhand like an axe. Seems like that kind of blow would be more likely to spatter blood upwards.

Still, I envision him in a rage. I tried randomly swinging a soft foam roller around my living room, which is bigger than KB's, and it's hard to do without hitting the wall or a piece of furniture, even if only a glancing blow.


the details of this seem weird to me. if he is in a blind rage, how does he only knock one tooth out and then how does he even know where it goes? I guess maybe the adrenaline makes him hyper aware and he does remember details, but I find it surprising. usually a "rage" results in memory loss, IMO.

Or it is a lie or partial lie and considering the source, very likely. if he never talks then mostly every statement a jury will hear that he said is through her mouth, and she is a known liar as well. quite the cast of characters

I question the bat thing too and/or a rage.

As I read in a previous post just a moment ago, it is like there is too much information, like it is purposely planned or provided--whether by him, her or both... Not sure... Relating this to what you just said, yes, some very awesome memories he/she or they have to have so many details. They must have found extensive time to talk about it, probably with a burner phone or a rendezvous. Amazing she ditched her phone on the same day they took his.

Just a few thoughts. I agree with your post entirely. The tooth is almost another "necessary" detail to a story... but you know, just one like you said...

 

[ilovechili]

the whole thing about him having her gun raises Qs in my mind. did she really give it to him? did he take it? did she tell CB anything about this previously? maybe the almost 24 hrs of activities around Thanksgiving, including target shooting, just all sound too frenetic for ordinary people.

Exactly, they were just sooo busy, not just that 24 hours either. I feel as if they have more hours in a day than the rest of us or something. Just reading her account of what he told her and what she knows wears me out. Frenetic is the perfect word

 

[MassGuy]

I saw that in the affidavit and it said there was no location data on KK’s phone for the suspected murder date of KB. Which is what actually started to make me question where she was and why she turned her location data off. She probably was in Idaho eating turkey but I’m just looking for something solid to go on beside eyewitnesses stating she was there.

So if you have location tracking turned on in your Google Apps, you are able to be tracked.

Turning this feature off, or erasing your location data, doesn’t make your phone invisible.

It just means that those apps won’t keep track of you.

That was the relevance of the Gmail account mentioned in the affidavit.

Because she was communicating with PF, her phone was generating pings, which transmitted her location.

So she tried to cover her tracks, but didn’t.

This data exists.

 

[acutename]

Maybe that's when KK told MS she'd "never seen that kind of evil in anyone." MOO

if KK has seen the body, why does she say she has not?

 

[ilovechili]

I saw that in the affidavit and it said there was no location data on KK’s phone for the suspected murder date of KB. Which is what actually started to make me question where she was and why she turned her location data off. She probably was in Idaho eating turkey but I’m just looking for something solid to go on beside eyewitnesses stating she was there.

I have looked for the same and have not found it. It is about the biggest question most have that I have seen. Hopefully they have more info and plenty of it. Her at the hospital before she left Idaho, etc. on video. Because I see it asked in a few places, not just here.

She got rid of phones and seemed to be aware the exact day they took PF's phone to ditch hers the same day. It worries people that know more about the process than you and I do.

I want that answer too but I think it will take trial before we see it most likely...

 

[OldLadyBlues]

ajaylee said:
I tried randomly swinging a soft foam roller around my living room, which is bigger than KB's, and it's hard to do without hitting the wall or a piece of furniture, even if only a glancing blow.

Oh dear....I'm tired as I envisioned you swinging a pool noodle around the living room, wondering if the neighbors were watching.
But I DO agree with what you're saying! My living room is probably twice the size and I brought it up last night that something would either be hit or there would be dents in the wall from a 6'2" swinging bat on a tiny person trying to get away. IMHO

 

[Dave F.]

The description of positive Blue Star Forensic Stain testing positive on the ceiling is described in the section of Attachment A to the Arrest Affidavit on Page 4 titled "Search of Berreth's apartment and discovery of blood in the bathroom". The exact statement reads:
"In summary, blood was located on the base of the toilet, bathtub, towel rack door handle, ceiling, and other areas of the bathroom."
On Zillow.com, the bathroom is located under the second floor loft, and appears to have the standard 96 inch (8 ft) ceiling height.
There is no mention in Attachment A of anything being found on the high ceiling over the living room, kitchen, stairway and loft area. IMO
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...lication and Affidavit for Arrest Warrant.pdf

 

[acutename]

The post I replied to linked a source stating that Slater said CB told him Kelsey had told her that so I assume so. There was no mention of a text, I don't think. Maybe in a phone conversation?
I think it was what he said in court.

if it is late Thanksgiving night, as per the prosecution's allegations so far, she was not alive

 

[Artis]

Here is the part about returning to the townhouse to get PF's truck. This is snipped from Tippy's timeline that is posted on every new thread. I am guilty of scrolling past it, but it has a lot of information.

Looking at that, again, there's a great example of what KK WILL lie about because it cannot be disproved. That's the BS about leaving on both phones in the hopes LE would "find" her. Same for saying she deliberately left blood for LE to find. These are attempts to make herself look as though she was forced to participate and too scared not to comply with his orders. This is belied by a mountain of facts and one in particular - she threw Kelsey's tooth away.