CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[ilovechili]

Yes...............I suspect Commander Chris Adams was momentarily as confused by the variety and amount of detail as the rest of us. If I knew him, I would have recommended a Starbucks Latte Machiatto. I hear it wakes a person right up! IMO

What worries me is that was exactly the intent of the not so dynamic duo (KB and KK), confusion by all. Not that it will work out the way they hoped (I sure hope not anyway). So many trips, so many attempts, so many vehicles, so many totes (not going there, haven't yet)...

 

[Artis]

This case will eventually be turned into an episode of "Evil Lives Here." Two people, possibly three, developed a diabolical scheme and none are capable of telling the whole truth. PF has serial domestic abuser written all over him and I think he has his mother to thank for it.

My money is on PF's mother who didn't like the custody arrangement and didn't like KB or her parents. Perhaps she didn't respect their religious practices or was upset the baby's birth certificate didn't carry PF's name. She'd find a way to blame them for something and everything.

Mother Frazee wanted PF (and herself) to have full custody. The only way to do that is to convince a court that KB was unfit such as drugs/alcohol abuse. But KB's stint in the depression treatment center was a year earlier. That wouldn't be recent enough or serious enough to satisfy a judge the baby was unsafe. Thus, they launched their campaign to smear KB's good character and KK was ready and willing to take it to the next level.

JMO

I thought the clinic trip was August of 2018? If so, it might explain the unfiled custody papers being filled out at that time. If not, never mind.

 

[MassGuy]

I thought the clinic trip was August of 2018? If so, it might explain the unfiled custody papers being filled out at that time. If not, never mind.

Corrrect.

Slater testifies at #KelseyBerreth attended a Seventh Day Adventist program in CA for anxiety and depression in August 2018. Was not treated for drugs and alcohol, Slater says he was told after checking with clinic. @csgazette

 

[gitana1]

Forgot to ask, Gitana: you mentioned being in family law. I'll bet you've had to deal with these "high conflict" personalities like Frazee. My sister was married to one (long ago, thank God) and it was terrible when they split and their kids were minors because she got little support from the court. Have you dealt with cases where one parent was a manipulating and volatile personality? I think I'd rather be a real estate attorney!

Yes. Routinely. I have one right now that I've been litigating since 2011. Kid is now 7.

He's a violent guy (opposing party), with a drug and serious alcohol problem. Years of steroid abuse.

He acts like he loves the kid but basically pawns her off on whatever new chick he's seeing who hasn't figured out how dysfunctional he is yet. The little kid is at risk of developing attachment issues as a result of her constant bonding with and then loss of this parade of caretakers.

When no one is looking he doesn't give a you know what. He always jumps up his game before court but in between he is neglectful. Kid covered in flea bites. Constantly late to school. Comes to school with too small clothes on backward. No honework. No lunch. Forgets to pick her up. Let his (then) 5 year old cross heavy traffic to get to school because he's too lazy to get there early enough to walk her in, or walks across the busy parking lot with her trailing behind, not holding her hand. He lets her swim while he's getting wasted on the beach or by the pool, etc.

We've had evidence for years but not admissible evidence. People would tell us what was going on but then refuse to testify.

I finally got one willing to testify.

Another one who I subpoenaed straight up refused to come out of fear for her safety and the safety of her own son.

This is one where if we win this round he could easily come after me and he's heavily armed.

And I think we are going to win.

 

[Artis]

Access Denied - unfortunately. For me in the wrong country at least.

May be a work-around:

how to get around link not available in your country - Google Search

 

[acutename]

If I recall correctly, I believe it was texted to cb from kB phone late on the 22nd. Personally I feel that it was sent by PF. But some opinions may differ

I wonder if some of the texts CB received were so unlike Kelsey in usage, wording, (spelling?) or other details that they were immediately suspect

 

[Trocroc9]

I only heard it about her father saying she was there for Thanksgiving and never heard where he lived.

Per your cast of certain shady characters, I agree and I think the lies and covering and failure to come forward and stop this certainly play into the wondering, to be expected I would think. It certainly affects my thoughts if anyone at times wonder why I question and then I noted that in the affidavit.

And yes, I too would like to see the original phone as well as all of the burner phones, not to mention text conversations and not just logs, etc. Family might be great, I have no idea, but I personally would not take personal alibis as gospel when we have switching vehicles, riding with others, etc. We shall see I guess. Or we won't.

I feel like the big question is why didn’t LE just say where KK’s phone pinged when PF called her on Nov.22. They give out all of this other phone ping data on the 24th and 25th but leave that one important piece (at least to me) out. Maybe I missed it somewhere. Does anyone have that info? It will definitely help me put things into a better place in my mind relating to KK’s involvement. Thanks in advance.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if some of the texts CB received were so unlike Kelsey in usage, wording, (spelling?) or other details that they were immediately suspect

It doesn’t appear that CB was suspicious at that point, as the ball really didn’t get moving until a week and a half later.

No alarm bells, atleast right away.

 

[Artis]

Beats me. But even if blood was visible under luminol, I doubt it would show the precise spray pattern (ugh, I hate typing that) and other details, which is what I was referring to. Seems like it would just be a glowing blob.

before and after luminol - Google Search

 

[MassGuy]

I feel like the big question is why didn’t LE just say where KK’s phone pinged when PF called her on Nov.22. They give out all of this other phone ping data on the 24th and 25th but leave that one important piece (at least to me) out. Maybe I missed it somewhere. Does anyone have that info? It will definitely help me put things into a better place in my mind relating to KK’s involvement. Thanks in advance.

All they said was it was an Idaho number, eventually determined to be KK’s phone.

No location information was given.

This was PF’s preliminary hearing though, so I don’t find that surprising.

There’s no doubt that law enforcement knows, and if it conflicted with her known movements (Thanksgiving in Idaho, picking up the car on the 23rd, arriving on the 24th) that would be trouble.

She got a deal for a reason, and PF was indicted for a reason. If they had significant questions as to where she was and when, then that wouldn’t have happened.

 

[GordianKnot]

I don't believe PF loves or cares for ANY woman. I do believe that he cares about his money. The wrongful death lawsuit states "custody". I think PF knew he was going to have to pay child support for 18 years and fought that idea everyway he could. When he realized he was not going to manipulate KB. He eliminated her. He did not love his daughter, he didn't want the financial burden that was about to happen

Great post.
This is exactly what I think re: PF's motivations, too.

 

[lindaromas]

Just for clarification on KB's gun. Who said what and the text (from transcript):

Late Thanksgiving night, Cheryl Berreth said she received a text message from her daughter saying that Frazee had returned her gun and she had gone shooting that night.

11:20 a.m.

Cheryl Berreth told Slater that her daughter Kelsey told her that Frazee took her gun away on New Year’s Eve 2017 because she alluded to taking her own life when the couple got into a fight and hadn’t returned it to her until Nov. 22, 2018.

Wondering if this was the first mention of PF taking the gun to her mother? I'm almost sure CB has many texts from KB leading to more answers.

 

[Artis]

Beats me. But even if blood was visible under luminol, I doubt it would show the precise spray pattern (ugh, I hate typing that) and other details, which is what I was referring to. Seems like it would just be a glowing blob.

Attempted clean up on a hardwood floor:

 

[acutename]

It would not serve her to lie but when I consider who we are talking about and the fact she already has, I would not count on it but I see your points. We do not know the plea deal either.

In fact, have the exhibits been released yet? Or a hearing transcript, I mean the entire transcript, not the tweets and not the affidavit.

I agree it will be interesting to say the least with probably some surprising testimony and evidence. It still is looking like a he said/she said whether PF testifies or chooses not to.

Just praying for justice for all of the victims.

if PF does not testify, it is just a"she said"

 

[MassGuy]

if PF does not testify, it is just a"she said"

More like a “she said, the evidence says.”

I don’t think there’s even the slightest chance he testifies.

It would be fun to see him destroyed on the stand though.

 

[ilovechili]

I feel like the big question is why didn’t LE just say where KK’s phone pinged when PF called her on Nov.22. They give out all of this other phone ping data on the 24th and 25th but leave that one important piece (at least to me) out. Maybe I missed it somewhere. Does anyone have that info? It will definitely help me put things into a better place in my mind relating to KK’s involvement. Thanks in advance.

Not sure, good question. In checking her google email account they found out she had location services turned off or was away from them something like "in the days before and after or in and around the time before Kelsey went missing" I am paraphrasing, I do not remember the exact wording.

Or perhaps they are holding that information back for the moment? I do hope they have that information, it is what many I have seen are wondering about. I think because of her lies most likely and all of the burner phones, friends who lie for her, etc.

That's my best guess anyhow

 

[ab01]

Attempted clean up on a hardwood floor:

Makes sense, you swear it into a blob, even what mixture of blood is left is going to be all smeared together IMO

 

[Herat]

Re: PF taking the gun away from Kelsey in early 2017

This makes no sense at all:

The relationship with PF would be less than a year old in early 2017. Kelsey had a good job in her ideal field. She was not cleaning houses or waiting tables trying to find a job at that point. There was no reason for them to be arguing over finances.

Kaylee was born in October 2017.

Kelsey would either be not pregnant, not knowing she was pregnant, or in her very very early first trimester in "early 2017"

None of the above holds together

And as I think this through, I feel immense sadness for the tragedy of this sparkling bright woman ending up in the clutches of this con-man who killed her

 

[ilovechili]

if PF does not testify, it is just a"she said"

so true. i guess "he" meant defense in general. if he does not talk they have to bring things out in other ways.

 

[Trocroc9]

All they said was it was an Idaho number, eventually determined to be KK’s phone.

No location information was given.

This was PF’s preliminary hearing though, so I don’t find that surprising.

There’s no doubt that law enforcement knows, and if it conflicted with her known movements (Thanksgiving in Idaho, picking up the car on the 23rd, arriving on the 24th) that would be trouble.

She got a deal for a reason, and PF was indicted for a reason. If they had significant questions as to where she was and when, then that wouldn’t have happened.

All they said was it was an Idaho number, eventually determined to be KK’s phone.

No location information was given.

This was PF’s preliminary hearing though, so I don’t find that surprising.

There’s no doubt that law enforcement knows, and if it conflicted with her known movements (Thanksgiving in Idaho, picking up the car on the 23rd, arriving on the 24th) that would be trouble.

She got a deal for a reason, and PF was indicted for a reason. If they had significant questions as to where she was and when, then that wouldn’t have happened.

Thanks for your reply. Sorry I just have a few more questions as I just don’t understand the prelimary hearing as well as I would like. Wouldn’t it have helped the case against PF if they showed proof that she wasn’t in the area when the murder occurred? Or not necessary because it was just a preliminary hearing? I still don’t really get why they include all of the other pings then and leave that specific one out. I’ll leave it alone but I was just hoping for some really clear answer so that I could eliminate her being there. I totally agree that LE knows what they are doing and she most likely was in Idaho I’m just seeking that darn ping to prove it.