CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[MassGuy]

KK created red herrings. She had KB's gun, gave it to old HS pal MP, lying to him that it was KK's aunt's gun. KK had MG's gun, and returned it missing one round with a round in the chamber. Why did KK do these things? Why did she use these innocent people in her scheme? KK claims that although she was not present for the murder, a gun is not the murder weapon.

Back to blood from a couple of KB's tampons in the trash. Soaking in a dish of sterile water that would evaporate would expand the bloody liquid available to spread around. Why do this? KK claims the whole townhome was bloody when she arrived and she cleaned it up. She has no idea other than she says that PF killed KB with a wooden baseball bat. So if CBI finds that the blood is menstrual blood with tampon chemicals, PF must have planted it. The Defense will say KK planted it, and also CB1 and CB2 might have planted it in their grief and zeal. The jury will be confused, but the blood will be excluded as from a baseball bat attack. And conveniently to KK's tale, the wooden baseball bat murder weapon was all burned up.

I don't believe KB was murdered with a gun or with a baseball bat. I don't believe the candle scent sniffing story either. KK also has an out - she will say she isn't lying, PF told her!

The people to look at in KK's world are not the known people innocently caught in her web of lies. She used each person for a purpose: MP to hold KB's gun, MS to get free legal advice, MG to borrow a car and gun. Both MG and MS were the recipients of her solicitation stories, KB needing cover for her presence in WP on those dates. And Aunt K, another innocent bystander.

Why would anyone NOT think KK planted evidence?

JMO just hashing theories...

So basically, you believe that the CBI was confused by blood from a tampon, which she spread all over the house?

How do you explain the lie that PF told, when he said he never saw Kelsey again after the drop off?

How was he the only one caught on camera that day?

Why did he place a phone call to KK, if she was with him in the house?

Why was Kelsey’s phone with PF, for the better part of two days after he last claimed to have seen her?

Why was PF communicating with KK via phone, when they were in the same location?

How did KK manage to get everyone to put themselves in legal jeopardy, and fool tech experts with her phone activity?

Most importantly, why would KK admit to nearly going forward with three separate murder plots, just to turn around and lie about the crime scene?

She’s going to risk her freedom for what exactly?

 

[Artis]

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But that doesn't tell us where they were. I wonder if she rode down to CO with her dad. Isn't that where some of his family lives?

How could she have borrowed MG's VW if she rode to Colorado with her dad?

 

[Artis]

Somebody link it. Plz

Put his name in the search bar on YT. His channel is under his name. Only four vids on it, all posted a few years ago.

 

[TDoc72]

So basically, you believe that the CBI was confused by blood from a tampon, which she spread all over the house?

How do you explain the lie that PF told, when he said he never saw Kelsey again after the drop off?

How was he the only one caught on camera that day?

Why did he place a phone call to KK, when she was with him in the house?

Why was Kelsey’s phone with PF, for the better part of two days after he last claimed to have seen her?

Why was PF communicating with KK via phone, when they were in the same location?

How did KK manage to get everyone to put themselves in legal jeopardy, and fool tech experts with her phone activity?

Most importantly, why would KK admit to nearly going forward with three separate murder plots, just to turn around and lie about the crime scene?

She’s going to risk her freedom for what exactly?

All good points for him doing the murder. She still could’ve conspired with him to commit it. “You kill her;I’ll clean up.” But she won’t admit to it so we get her story? (Not sure what I believe yet; just listing a possibility.)

 

[Oregon]

9News.com

Timeline of Frazee case..states that PF said he

had stalked KB before.

 

[TJtennispro]

<modsnip>He was filming a video so he could sell dogs and his Mom asked him something he said “No” that’s not rude at all. Also why does it matter what his voice sounds like? He sounds like a normal guy.

<modsnip>

Did anyone notice in the posted video which I think is # 1 . Somebody says something to him( guessing SF) he answers
NO very rudely!

 

[MassGuy]

All good points for him doing the murder. She still could’ve conspired with him to commit it. “You kill her;I’ll clean up.” But she won’t admit to it so we get her story? (Not sure what I believe yet; just listing a possibility.)

Oh, I’m very open to that possibility.

Him telling her “you have a mess to clean up,” just wreaks of complicity.

That sounds like somebody’s end of the deal to me.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I'm baffled by the focus on menstrual blood, beyond the one spot inside the toilet. If that was the only blood found in the house, the defense could make a good argument from it. But why would anyone spread it all over the house? What supposed scenario does it support?

Besides, aren't we assuming LE found a significant volume of blood in the townhome? (In order for them to be confident she's dead even without her body?) Menstrual blood wouldn't account for a large volume of blood. (factoid: the average menstrual period involves around 6-8 teaspoons of blood only). Even doubling that for a super heavy period, 16 teaspoons -- that doesn't add up to enough for LE to be confident she's dead, IMO. Plus, as mentioned earlier, the blood is chemically different. PF might not have known that but KK certainly would have.

 

[k-mac]

I just kept thinking those poor dogs. I wonder how many he kicked the s*** out of in one of his fits.

What's up with his accent? He sounds more like he's from Texas or Oklahoma.

lol I thought I could hear an irish twang every now and again as well for good measure
like he has been around someone with a heavy accent. you pick it up a little.

except Australian......nobody can pick up aussie lmao

 

[Artis]

9News.com

Timeline of Frazee case..states that PF said he
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had stalked KB before.

And yet it was KK who drove thousands of miles to stalk Kelsey. Doesn't pass the smell test, imo. I'd say it's part of her establishing she was afraid of him.

 

[Oregon]

And yet it was KK who drove thousands of miles to stalk Kelsey. Doesn't pass the smell test, imo. I'd say it's part of her establishing she was afraid of him.

She says that Frazee was concerned how it would look re his phone being close to KB’s phone (stalking) I wonder if KB had called the police, possibly made a police report, but never filed for a restraining or stalking order against him. I assume that he was not arrested, or there would be a record.

 

[lindaromas]

I've got a good friend from Nacogdoches and it's similar but different, I agree. Lotta twang. I've never heard anyone from Colorado who sounds that way. Maybe "old Colorado"?

It sounds a bit Amish to me. Here in Ohio they have that Pennsylvania Dutch accent

Edit/add
I’ve never spent time out west. Do Mormons have an accent?

 

[Charlot123]

Since this article touched on it, a word about sanity, or insanity as a defense. In Colorado and several other western states, a plea of innocent by reason of insanity is very rare. The standard is simply that the accused was or was not capable of understanding that the crime was wrong under the simplest interpretation of the law. A perfect example is RD, who also is awaiting trial in the same District as PF, for the Planned Parenthood clinic massacre. The man clearly several crucial screws missing from his Erector set carton, but he has not been judged insane. The court is patiently waiting for his forced meds to calm him to the point that he can sit shackled in court sessions without a gag.
Narc or not makes no difference to the prosecution in PF's case. IMO

I looked up in Wikipedia. Reason of insanity defense is used in 1% of criminal cases, success rate is 26% and in 90% of those, there had been a previous diagnosis of mental illness.

And here are the numbers for the actual prevalence of mental disorders. According to one meta-analysis, on average one in five adults (17.6%) experienced a common mental disorder within the past 12 months and 29.2% across their lifetime.

 

[Charlot123]

I agree and as sick and absolutely disgusting as they strike me, I am surprised they did not do a jig around the fire, they are so evil. To me anyways, imo.

Yes, she had ample opportunity to go to the police and imho why she did not was that she wanted her dead as much as or more than he. And even when that happened, when it was too late to save her, she still did not go to the police. When they found her as she allegedly wanted them to, she lied (does not fit). Her actions speak for themselves and it was not fear of PF, it was what she was as much a part of and wanted just as much. She can say as she likes but there is a valid reason all take what she says with a grain of salt, if that. Whether his story or hers that she relayed, I will not even go further and comment on that other than some of it just does not compute.

I don't buy the bread crumb story either, just a spin on her own behalf; I suppose though it is unproveable and not the type of lie that would negate any deal which in all fairness, we do not want to happen anyhow until he is tried I suppose right?

Logically I don’t understand what got her involved. Love? But how can one love a man who, as you know, just killed a woman and burned her body? OK, supposedly it is such desperate, overpowering, love that KK is blindly following her man. Then where does it instantaneously evaporate as soon as KK is first interrogated by the LE? Why doesn’t she protect her man? Where did her love go?

Makes no sense. Maybe she thought they’d get away with the murder and planned to later blackmail PF into marrying her?

 

[Artis]

Excellent!

The former and not the, er, conjugal Biblical latter! Definitely the former.

I can't even associate him with the connubial other without throwing up in my mouth more than a little, though I'm willing to wager that he'll be asking for them thar types of visits once he lands in prison.

BBM

Is that even a thing in the United States? I figured that was only places like Scandinavia. I'm sure the love letters have already started pouring in, as with Chris Watts.

 

[whoizzit]

BBM

Is that even a thing in the United States? I figured that was only places like Scandinavia. I'm sure the love letters have already started pouring in, as with Chris Watts.

Only in 4 states, with CO not being one of them.

Also not allowed in the federal system.

Love letters, indeed. Urk. Please pass the emesis basin.

 

[MsBetsy]

That was the only part I liked. I always wanted to be able to whistle like that. Can't do it.

I can't either! I was all ready to go to sleep with my phone in bed with the volume on high so it made me jump.
I was surprised by his accent. He also seems to use the "b" word more than necessary. I wonder if he uses the same word when referring to women.

 

[mtnlites]

lol

Western version of a hillbilly.

As one of the board's resident hillbillies, I have to say that we don't claim him either. Please don't lump him in with the rest of us hillbillies and rednecks. His actions bring down our average.

 

[Julia966]

I'm baffled by the focus on menstrual blood, beyond the one spot inside the toilet. If that was the only blood found in the house, the defense could make a good argument from it. But why would anyone spread it all over the house? What supposed scenario does it support?

Besides, aren't we assuming LE found a significant volume of blood in the townhome? (In order for them to be confident she's dead even without her body?) Menstrual blood wouldn't account for a large volume of blood. (factoid: the average menstrual period involves around 6-8 teaspoons of blood only). Even doubling that for a super heavy period, 16 teaspoons -- that doesn't add up to enough for LE to be confident she's dead, IMO. Plus, as mentioned earlier, the blood is chemically different. PF might not have known that but KK certainly would have.

I too am baffled by the menstrual blood idea.

But I didn't get the impression there was a significant volume of blood. In fact, LE didn't see any blood the first time they went through the house. I had the impression that blood was found in several places and in different rooms, but not that there was a large quantity.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I haven't been feeling this so-called love story from Day 1, to be honest with you.
You have one married or very recently divorced mother of two. She's a nurse with, I'm assuming, a demanding schedule.
Her so-called "boyfriend" two states and 800 miles away is a farrier with a few head of cattle that he runs on the side. I assume he has to work fairly regularly as well, although perhaps not a 9-to-5 schedule. Boyfriend also has a fiancé; at least, the fiancé thinks they will be married "some day", and an infant daughter.
When did these two ever spend any quality time together; that is, before any of this murder conspiracy began?

Because PF had to check on his cattle (dogs, horses), he perhaps never drove to ID, but KKL always drove to CO. Or they met halfway in between the states? Or on the numerous rodeo events? Possibly mannny fairy tales to KKL's husband were necessary, what may have been very tingly as a side effect. IMO MOO