CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[oviedo]

The hearing transcript has not been docketed yet. I wonder why?
Colorado Judicial Branch - Teller - Cases of Interest - The People of the State of Colorado v. Patrick Frazee

 

[ilovechili]

The hearing transcript has not been docketed yet. I wonder why?
Colorado Judicial Branch - Teller - Cases of Interest - The People of the State of Colorado v. Patrick Frazee

I wonder as well. Is this typical in Colorado? Media, even jointly, usually requests it right off of the bat and even pays for the rush job and agrees to share the document from what I understand at least...

 

[girlhasnoname]

I keep thinking that if KK could do all this to KB knowing a child will be left with no mommy then she must be one cold hearted person. I feel sorry for her own kids growing up with a mom that can lie, cheat and kill in MOO.
I pray everyday for the CB and her family to get to keep Baby K and for her to have nothing but love and kindness poured on her life.

^^^THIS

 

[SandyQLS]

Why didn't the security camera capture someone entering and exiting Kelsey's Toyota? Someone with cadaverine on their socks entered and exited KK's Toyota and left their socks inside the car. A cadaver dog hit on Kelsey's Toyota and the socks lit up with a reactive agent. ...RSBM...

I was going to post that the socks belonged to KB, but found that I do not know that. I had assumed someone took KB's socks off her body and left them in her trunk to create the illusion she was transported in the trunk. Maybe it has something to do with why KK said they went back to the townhome to get PF's truck, the truck KK says backed up to the haystack so it would not have been left at KB's.

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV2m2 minutes ago
Defense asking about cadaver dog actions in the home. The handler reported the dog was interested in a pair of Kelsey’s underwear. Dog also alerted near Kelsey’s Toyota. Defense asked if the car was searched. Slater said yes. A pair of socks reacted with reacting test.@KOAA

 

[PommyMommy]

The hearing transcript has not been docketed yet. I wonder why?
Colorado Judicial Branch - Teller - Cases of Interest - The People of the State of Colorado v. Patrick Frazee

I'm pretty sure we determined that it's not standard procedure for the transcript to appear on the docket. IIRC, it is/will be available for a fee of $3 per page, $3.75 if expedited (10 days).

If news media ordered the transcript immediately and paid the expedited fee, that 10 days is up today. Otherwise, it would be received within 11 days and up to 30 days, or as agreed upon by the requesting party and transcriber ($3 rate).

https://www.courts.state.co.us/Forms/PDF/JDF 4 - Transcript Request Form.pdf
MOO

 

[Hatch]

Do we know how many people LE interviewed who were at Thanksgiving dinner with KK's family? Was it just immediate family or were there extended family or friends who attended? I don't remember any mention of how many they interviewed, but apparently it was enough to convince LE she was there. Imo

I do believe she most likely made calls to PF from her phone, the phone would of shown the location the calls were originating from, even if she had the locator turned off. The calls could be traced.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yeah, I can't stand his voice. I don't in a million years see him perceived as being charming or whatever that guy said about him. Imo

I agree! He doesn't do a thing for me, quite the opposite, and I would have felt the same if he hadn't of killed KB. He's has a fake persona that follows right along with his Narc PD.

MOO

 

[SandyQLS]

So Monday he does enter a plea it's not just motions. I wonder since finding out he's a real momma's boy if possibly he may plead out in order for his mom not to testify and end up incriminating herself.just my opinion he may surprise us

I think that article is just wrong.

March 4 - Motions hearing (on consumptive testing), 1 hour

April 8 - Arraignment, 1 hour

Docket:
Colorado Judicial Branch - Court Docket Search

 

[Steelslady]

Do we know how many people LE interviewed who were at Thanksgiving dinner with KK's family? Was it just immediate family or were there extended family or friends who attended? I don't remember any mention of how many they interviewed, but apparently it was enough to convince LE she was there. Imo

Unfortunately, I think a lot of the answers that we are seeking are two years away from being answered. It is frustrating, but there is no doubt in my mind it will all come out eventually.

 

[SandyQLS]

Here's a photo showing how a parked car could obstruct the view IF the security camera was across the alley.
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Thanks for that photo. Not to be nitpicking, but do you mean across the street? I thought that straight paved part is Lake Street.

It has been very confusing what is "the front" "the alley" and we really do not know which neighbor structure had the security camera. I think you may be correct that it is across the paved ___ and not the unit right next door to KB.

 

[oviedo]

I'm pretty sure we determined that it's not standard procedure for the transcript to appear on the docket. IIRC, it is/will be available for a fee of $3 per page, $3.75 if expedited (10 days).

If news media ordered the transcript immediately and paid the expedited fee, that 10 days is up today. Otherwise, it would be received within 11 days and up to 30 days, or as agreed upon by the requesting party and transcriber ($3 rate).

https://www.courts.state.co.us/Forms/PDF/JDF 4 - Transcript Request Form.pdf
MOO

bummer - our transcripts become part of the court file if ordered. Maybe someone can tweet Sam and ask him if his paper is going to order it? I'm not a twitter person (yet).

 

[SandyQLS]

Do we know how many people LE interviewed who were at Thanksgiving dinner with KK's family? Was it just immediate family or were there extended family or friends who attended? I don't remember any mention of how many they interviewed, but apparently it was enough to convince LE she was there. Imo

I don't think we know who or how many have verified to LE about KK's whereabouts on Thanksgiving 11/22. The Prosecution did not offer any details. It was during the Defense cross examination of CBI Slater, from Thread #39 Page 104:

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV2m2 minutes ago
Defense asking if Slater was involved in discussion with Chad Lee, Krystal’s estranged husband. Defense says Lee didn’t know much about Frazee. Same goes for Krystal’s dad, who didn’t notice anything different on Thanksgiving Day when he was with Krystal.@KOAA #KrystalKenney

We are not told if anyone else was with KK and her father, or where they were in Idaho or elsewhere.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I thought they eventually realized that there was enough blood to have made the determination that there was no way KB could still be alive.

I don't remember it ever being stated exactly what led them to the conclusion KB was killed in her townhome. It could have been the blood, or it could have been brain matter, organ tissue, etc. I think that's was linked to the consumptive DNA testing.

Gaaaaaah how flipping sad is this to even type, I'm so very sorry for the CB, baby K, and the rest of the Berreth family.

 

[girlhasnoname]

So Monday he does enter a plea it's not just motions. I wonder since finding out he's a real momma's boy if possibly he may plead out in order for his mom not to testify and end up incriminating herself.just my opinion he may surprise us

PF doesn't see anyone but himself. He may have some type of codependent love/hate with MamaF, but he isn't going to jail to protect her I'm pretty sure.

MOO

 

[Dave F.]

I was going to post that the socks belonged to KB, but found that I do not know that. I had assumed someone took KB's socks off her body and left them in her trunk to create the illusion she was transported in the trunk. Maybe it has something to do with why KK said they went back to the townhome to get PF's truck, the truck KK says backed up to the haystack so it would not have been left at KB's.

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV2m2 minutes ago
Defense asking about cadaver dog actions in the home. The handler reported the dog was interested in a pair of Kelsey’s underwear. Dog also alerted near Kelsey’s Toyota. Defense asked if the car was searched. Slater said yes. A pair of socks reacted with reacting test.@KOAA

I think in court there will be extensive testimony about exactly which dog sniffed which item or location, and exactly what that dog normally detected. As I understand it, dogs are selected originally for their outstanding ability to detect blood, in any form and of any degree of freshness. They are then trained extensively to filter their sensations and specialize in what they signal they have a scent on. The affidavit refers to dog sniffing on four different days, at widely varying levels in the investigation. Did LE use the same dog all four times, or did it use more than one dog?
The socks in the car could well have been left previously by KB. If she had run her first marathon and got huge blisters, wedged her ankle in some rocks hiking and cut her ankle, had a bicycling accident or who knows what else; the dog would have smelled it. Same with underwear. It's not a question of why the dog smelled it, because the dog certainly would have smelled it. The question is, why did the dog give the death scent signal? Or in fact, did the dog actually signal that it had detected the death scent, or was it just detecting minute traces of KB's dried blood?
For sniffing out crime and missing persons, science backs blood-detection dogs

 

[InvSmith]

This information came from a Colorado news reporter who transcribed statements and posted them on twitter while attending the preliminary hearing. Check Sam Kraemer's (KOAA) twitter.

I am assuming this is luminol since "lit up" is used or does it mean blood or DNA match? This would be a great evidence piece if KB's.

 

[ab01]

Go look at the photos of her condo. If the camera was secured to a home across the alley, a parked truck in front of Kelsey's door would obscure the view of people entering Kelsey's door.

You mean like on the sheds that are pictured across from the alley?
Do people normally have cameras mounted on sheds?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

We don't actually know where the security camera is located, IMO. I don't even think we know which neighbor's camera is being referred to. There are multiple places where one could be. I think we determined (to the best of our speculation) that the camera is not on the west neighbor's satellite dish.

I agree with many folks of thread who have used logic to deduce that it must be the next door neighbors.

It was seen in the arrest affidavit that he was seen entering the condo.

That could not have happened unless the camera was to the left of the condo front.

Then, Another poster up thread explained the system that was discussed and mainstream media as to what type it was. And that it sent emails and had a 7-Day plan.

The neighbor by the satellite to the left had that exact same type of camera in the photograph.

Unless it was a camera from a property behind hers looking backwards? But I don't think that's what has happened

ETA, I had four photographs, and one of them is missing that have the satellite with the surveillance camera on it. Perhaps somebody else has that too put up on the thread again.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I think what @Gunslinging Granny might be thinking, and if she's not then I am, is that if the camera is located on one of the two houses seen in the background of this photo

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and is angled in such a way that KB's door and/or walkway is visible, then a tall vehicle parked in the right spot along Lake Ave could block said camera from said door/walkway.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Here's a photo showing how a parked car could obstruct the view IF the security camera was across the alley.
View attachment 171663

I'm not following you. There are trees that the alleyway goes around. He was seen entering with three vehicles and front. Where would another part car obstructed View from what condo. The ones in the direction on the other side of the vehicles, it's the back of condos?

I'm not following your train of thought