CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[MtBab]

Not sure if this question has been asked before but has it been mentioned if KB had jewelry she usually wore? Melting point of gold is really high.

 

[ajaylee]

I also think that kk was deceptive in the beginning in regards to where kB remains were located. I do however believe that she has to LE to the best of her knowledge where KB remains are located. Moo

IIRC, didn't Slater say that when KK told them about turning on the phones and the pinging on the way home, they had pings from a couple places that she wasn't aware of?

If they demonstrated to her that they knew more than she suspected, and she's got the threat of being charged as an accessory after the fact or something similar hanging over her head, she's got to be very very cautious about holding anything back.

I think there are some things she might feel safe not talking about or even lying about: like whether or not she ever actually saw KB's body or what PF told her happened that day, but by and large, I think she's telling what she knows.

Once again: we don't necessarily know everything she's told LE, either.

One tiny bright ray in all this gloominess: PF probably does know everything she told LE at this point, even if we don't. He's sitting in that cell raging and there's no dogs or horses around to take his anger out on.

I don't know if he really had an ulcer before they arrested him, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has one now.

 

[Kapua]

I want to see his brothers interview, the one that is in law enforcement. I would expect because of his position he would feel obligated to cooperate in the interviews. Did he, or did he not?

When my family has Thanksgiving dinner, the rest of the family knows which of the other family members are coming, and if I arrive in my brother wasn't there, I would ask my mother when is he expected. What did his brother think of when his brother was supposed to be arriving versus him arriving? If he was coming for dinner for a family dinner, I would expect them all to arrive at about the same time.

And his brother arrived at about 2:30. If KB was expected, What story did his brother hear about the reasoning for that? Or when did he learn that he wasn't coming. PF called his mother at 4:24, two hours after his brother got there. Hmmmm

KB wasn't sure about whether she was going to do dinner that day, and that is why she wanted the recipe for a dip. So when he re-entered the condo at 1:24 p.m., was she expecting to go out to Cracker Barrel at that time, to go to Mom's house, or that it was going to be canceled completely?

I'm guessing the most plausible thing is that she was under the impression they were going to go somewhere, and he said you get ready and I will go shopping? (ETA and I'm recalling her mother saying that her hair up in the video at Safeway did not look like she was ready to go out, which I thought was a strange remark at the time)

I don't think the timeline allows for him to have killed her before he went to Walmart. It's too tight in my opinion

My family members come to TG dinner at different times, depending on their schedules. If we're missing a few, we eat at our scheduled time, and they come later, make their plates and join us. PF was a farrier. He could easily have told the family he had to fix a horseshoe, to go ahead and eat, and he'd be there soon. Maybe SF2 will testify as to what PF's story was at the trial. MOO

 

[ajaylee]

My family members come to TG dinner at different times, depending on their schedules. If we're missing a few, we eat at our scheduled time, and they come later, make their plates and join us. PF was a farrier. He could easily have told the family he had to fix a horseshoe, to go ahead and eat, and he'd be there soon. Maybe SF2 will testify as to what PF's story was at the trial. MOO

This.

An ongoing part of the Thanksgiving Day conversations is asking about anyone who isn't present - are they coming at all, coming later, been and gone?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Not sure if this question has been asked before but has it been mentioned if KB had jewelry she usually wore? Melting point of gold is really high.

Interesting point. Folks in previous threads said that say that the 7th Day Adventists did not usually wear jewelry. But yet KKL mentioned earrings.

 

[ab01]

Not sure if this question has been asked before but has it been mentioned if KB had jewelry she usually wore? Melting point of gold is really high.

Good question, I don’t believe there’s been anything made public about if kB normally wore jewelry and if any was missing. I will say in the photos I have seen of kB I haven’t noticed any jewelry moo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

This.

An ongoing part of the Thanksgiving Day conversations is asking about anyone who isn't present - are they coming at all, coming later, been and gone?

And if his brother was there at 2:30, I would assume he would certainly be there at 4:30 when PF called his mother. I would assume that would have been a topic of conversation also. And especially on Thanksgiving Day, conversations I would think would be remembered. Any other day is just a day and you can forget stuff, but I think for Thanksgiving, you remember a situation such as that. In my opinion.

ETA, actually, I am surprised that the arrest affidavit did not mention any such information from the family as to whether he was expected that day, and at what time. The only mention of such was his very very weak brother's explanation of that he *arrived after me.*

That would at least lead me to believe that his brother was there.

ETA the more I think about this case, the more I think it was planned out so that there are so many characters involved, tangentially, that it will be confusing to the jurors and it was done on purpose.

" Involve the whole bunch of different people, and a whole bunch of different areas, so that the jury might be confused and that the defense can point at other people for anything."

For those of us that it followed trials, the most complex cases are the ones where they keep bringing in other people that are involved, and pointing Reasonable Doubt for each and every single person. And this case has more than I have ever seen.

 

[ab01]

This.

An ongoing part of the Thanksgiving Day conversations is asking about anyone who isn't present - are they coming at all, coming later, been and gone?

Yah which makes me wonder about what all was discussed around the dinner table? Of course liars lie. So it’s possible pf had told lies about KB’s whereabouts

 

[kkdj]

Yah which makes me wonder about what all was discussed around the dinner table? Of course liars lie. So it’s possible pf had told lies about KB’s whereabouts

I think PF had told his family they were broken up and that he picked up the child to join his family at TG. jmo

 

[NWLady]

Yes, the plea agreement will have to be disclosed to the defense and they can question her about if she testifies. So often the prosecution will just offer that up to the jury at that start because of the defense brings it up the jury can feel like the DA is hiding things. Some prosecutors however like to not raise it at first and let the witness testify untainted by the plea deal. Makes a stronger impression on the jury. Then just let it come out later. So yes there is some strategic thinking required.

Thank you PrairieWind for your answer.

 

[Daisyeve]

Possible, but I don't believe the candle/sweater ruse myself. I think his shirt or sweater got bloody and he took it off. He'd still need KK to retrieve it since it would be highly incriminating. Although, OTOH what a bizarre scenario to make up in relation to everything else that was going on with this homicide!

Does anyone know the general consensus here on the thread as to whether or not PF did actually use the candle/sweater ruse? <I think the way you worded that LOL> Yes or No?

 

[GordianKnot]

Good question, I don’t believe there’s been anything made public about if kB normally wore jewelry and if any was missing. I will say in the photos I have seen of kB I haven’t noticed any jewelry moo

I dunno, ab, but if I'm recalling correctly, there's been some speculation on previous threads that KB may not have worn jewelry for religious reasons. I haven't seen the question re: jewelry addressed in MSM, though.

 

[Daisyeve]

I know I must have missed this but where did the candles come from and what happened to them? Did he buy them at Walmart? Sorry if this is wrong sequence but I just signed up and I am a trial and error learner.

 

[ilovechili]

I want to see his brothers interview, the one that is in law enforcement. I would expect because of his position he would feel obligated to cooperate in the interviews. Did he, or did he not?

When my family has Thanksgiving dinner, the rest of the family knows which of the other family members are coming, and if I arrive in my brother wasn't there, I would ask my mother when is he expected. What did his brother think of when his brother was supposed to be arriving versus him arriving? If he was coming for dinner for a family dinner, I would expect them all to arrive at about the same time.

And his brother arrived at about 2:30. If KB was expected, What story did his brother hear about the reasoning for that? Or when did he learn that he wasn't coming. PF called his mother at 4:24, two hours after his brother got there. Hmmmm

KB wasn't sure about whether she was going to do dinner that day, and that is why she wanted the recipe for a dip. So when he re-entered the condo at 1:24 p.m., was she expecting to go out to Cracker Barrel at that time, to go to Mom's house, or that it was going to be canceled completely?

I'm guessing the most plausible thing is that she was under the impression they were going to go somewhere, and he said you get ready and I will go shopping? (ETA and I'm recalling her mother saying that her hair up in the video at Safeway did not look like she was ready to go out, which I thought was a strange remark at the time)

I don't think the timeline allows for him to have killed her before he went to Walmart. It's too tight in my opinion.

ETA, also, wasn't the recipe that she wanted was for a dip in case going out was not going to be done. To make a dip sounds like something to take to somebody else's Thanksgiving dinner versus sitting around and eating a dip at home.

If he told her to get ready while he took the baby and he would be back, then he is lying about the exchange being like a visitation thing, and I do not doubt he lied. He acted as if they were not "together" and I due to watching and reading elsewhere, have my doubts on this as well.

CB mentioned KB having plans possibly dinner out, maybe getting a Christmas tree (unless PF was going to get one himself with the baby). IIRC it was vague and unclear if these dinner plans were with PF or not.

It could be a case of she had no idea and was waiting for PF to see if he asked her to do something or go to ma's with him, etc.

I guess what I am trying to determine was whether there was still any relationship or not. Most of what we know can point either way imo.

 

[ab01]

I think PF had told his family they were broken up and that he picked up the child to join his family at TG. jmo

Yah I'm not inclined to believe that any of them knew about plans to eliminate KB. But I do think that they may have had a pretty good idea what was going on before police came knocking MOO

 

[kkdj]

Yah I'm not inclined to believe that any of them knew about plans to eliminate KB. But I do think that they may have had a pretty good idea what was going on before police came knocking MOO

How could they not?

 

[Hatch]

No the trip she made to CO from ID where she stayed over in Greely took place on one of the THREE other times KK drove down to murder KB.

3 Three 3 Three 3 Three trips to murder KB

 

[ab01]

I know I must have missed this but where did the candles come from and what happened to them? Did he buy them at Walmart? Sorry if this is wrong sequence but I just signed up and I am a trial and error learner.

We don't have any facts about the candles. All we know is that KK told the police that PF told her that he had KB wrap a sweater around her head and try to guess the smell of different candles before he struck her with a bat. According to KK

 

[kkdj]

3 Three 3 Three 3 Three trips to murder KB

3. The liars number....

 

[kkdj]

We don't have any facts about the candles. All we know is that KK told the police that PF told her that he had KB wrap a sweater around her head and try to guess the smell of different candle before he struck her with a bat. According to KK

I just don't know if that's going to fly in court. Isn't it hearsay?