CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #46*ARREST*

[ilovechili]

And if his brother was there at 2:30, I would assume he would certainly be there at 4:30 when PF called his mother. I would assume that would have been a topic of conversation also. And especially on Thanksgiving Day, conversations I would think would be remembered. Any other day is just a day and you can forget stuff, but I think for Thanksgiving, you remember a situation such as that. In my opinion.

ETA, actually, I am surprised that the arrest affidavit did not mention any such information from the family as to whether he was expected that day, and at what time. The only mention of such was his very very weak brother's explanation of that he *arrived after me.*

That would at least lead me to believe that his brother was there.

ETA the more I think about this case, the more I think it was planned out so that there are so many characters involved, tangentially, that it will be confusing to the jurors and it was done on purpose.

" Involve the whole bunch of different people, and a whole bunch of different areas, so that the jury might be confused and that the defense can point at other people for anything."

For those of us that it followed trials, the most complex cases are the ones where they keep bringing in other people that are involved, and pointing Reasonable Doubt for each and every single person. And this case has more than I have ever seen.

The affidavit has the phone call to his mother at around 3:36, paragraph 13, military time of 1536.

I too think this is somewhat one big convoluted mess. The prosecution may sort it out and simplify it, which they actually have already pretty much probably, but I suspect the defense will use the mess and number of players to muddy it right back up. imo.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Yah which makes me wonder about what all was discussed around the dinner table? Of course liars lie. So it’s possible pf had told lies about KB’s whereabouts

I agree, but why is that not in the arrest affidavit as to what his brother said as to the excuse he had when he arrived * after * his brother did?

I would think corroboration from a law enforcement officer would be good to have in an arrest affidavit, but perhaps there are reasons that it was not. The only thing that we saw didn't mention his brother, lead some to believe that his brother was being very mute on this point. Which I find it very compelling.

 

[Hatfield]

I know I must have missed this but where did the candles come from and what happened to them? Did he buy them at Walmart? Sorry if this is wrong sequence but I just signed up and I am a trial and error learner.

Welcome to WS!
And welcome to the madness of this case.

I may be mistaken but I don't think any details were ever given yet where the candles came from or where they are now.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Welcome to Websleuths Daisyeve!

When you reply to a quote, make sure you put your comments after the last Dash and closed ]

If you don't do such, your comment does not show to other members unless they click on the original post.

Again, welcome new member as of today!

 

[ab01]

I just don't know if that's going to fly in court. Isn't it hearsay?

I think it would be considered a witness statement based on the fact that the Accused was the one to tell KK directly?...MOO How much weight it may carry in the eyes of the jury may be another matter entirely though IMO.

 

[Hatch]

I was once approached by a sketchy man when weeding in my front yard. Fortunately, I had a mini garden hoe in my hand, and it has a wrist strap. So when he was talking to me, I just kept swinging the tool. He didn't stay long, LOL. So, yeah, KB didn't need a gun for protection. You can use different things as weapons.

I had to go back and read the AA #66 does say baseball bat, when you stated your hoe had a wrist strap I immediately thought Police baton and how easy that would of been to conceal in the back of the waist in your jeans. It definitely states baseball bat.

 

[ab01]

I think it would be considered a witness statement based on the fact that the Accused was the one to tell KK directly?...MOO How much weight it may carry in the eyes of the jury may be another matter entirely though IMO.

Reply to add: this is one part of KK statements that I'm not sure can ever be backed up by evidence if KK and PF did in fact destroy the evidence. The only way I could see of substantiating it would be if there were texts recovered of them discussing it....MOO

 

[Kapua]

I had to go back and read the AA #66 does say baseball bat, when you stated your hoe had a wrist strap I immediately thought Police baton and how easy that would of been to conceal in the back of the waist in your jeans. It definitely states baseball bat.

I'm thinking that it was KB's baseball bat and PF didn't have to bring one. MOO

 

[Hatch]

I have a feeling she's so scared and had a lawyer advising her pretty quickly, that she has told the truth. I'm sure she was grilled. She got such a sweet deal from the DA that I think her story is the truth, as she knows it from what PF told her. I worry there might be a problem tho with that PF told her as being all truthful.

I am still thinking he took pics at the very least to show KK,
perhaps on KB's phone or a burner phone, he is the one that suggested KK buy a burner phone. That burner phone may have went up in smoke.

 

[Dave F.]

Interesting point. Folks in previous threads said that say that the 7th Day Adventists did not usually wear jewelry. But yet KKL mentioned earrings.

This is pure speculation, but it doesn't surprise me KB wore earrings. What would surprise me is if family could positively identify them, or the remnants of them. IMO

 

[Hatch]

Not sure if this question has been asked before but has it been mentioned if KB had jewelry she usually wore? Melting point of gold is really high.

And when it melts it forms a glob that could easily be picked up by a metal detector , which I feel sure LE used at the dig site at the Franch.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

@Hatfield you just reminded me of something. During the supposed earlier attempts by KK, depending on how much of her story we can believe, PF wanted KK to kill KB and then "throw her body in a dumpster." That sure doesn't sound like a way to keep the body from ever being found, which we are now speculating was important to them both...

.... and not a way to pretend suicide. So, I have a big question mark above my head.

 

[ajaylee]

Re: Thanksgiving Dinner at the Franch.

I don't recall exactly when, but PF was telling folks that KB told him to take Baby K, she needed time to sort herself out.

If anyone asked about KB at Thanksgiving dinner, he might very well have told them that KB wasn't there because she 1) went to visit Grandma or 2) had told him to take Baby K, she wanted time to herself to figure things out.

One of the many things we don't know: what did SF (and his family) know about the true state of affairs between the two?

 

[Dave F.]

Re: Thanksgiving Dinner at the Franch.

I don't recall exactly when, but PF was telling folks that KB told him to take Baby K, she needed time to sort herself out.

If anyone asked about KB at Thanksgiving dinner, he might very well have told them that KB wasn't there because she 1) went to visit Grandma or 2) had told him to take Baby K, she wanted time to herself to figure things out.

One of the many things we don't know: what did SF (and his family) know about the true state of affairs between the two?

I suspect PF and KKL were both insanely in love with the same man. IMO

 

[Artis]

To give a better idea of the area,
@mustloveco posted some pictures of the area around KB's townhouse back in December:

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

Deceased/Not Found - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

Thank you for those. I had not seen them and, finally, I can see where the neighbor's security cam would be. I was mixed up about this and thought the neighbor's place was a different floor plan without a side entrance, like Kelsey's. This shows they're the same. Pic number 4 shows two small white things above their entry door. One must be a light and the other a camera. It's plausible that a shorter person, in Kelsey's walkway, would not be picked up. A logical next step would be to test it and find out.

 

[skycountry]

Possibly. If this is the case, he had to have put something else in there that had some weight to it, or it would have been obvious that it was empty. Sandbags, maybe? MOO

I thought maybe a portion of beef, or a calf that had died could have been placed in the tote and made to look like he was burning KB, but not sure he was calving the end of November. Until we have definitive proof KB was in that tote being burned, I am not sure what to believe, BUT, I doubt LE would be doing a search of Midway Land dump if they did not have some kind of proof that is where she is.

I think if KK had taken KB back to ID, or killed her and disposed of her as PF suggested, it is KK that would be sitting in jail awaiting trial. He may have been hoping she was stupid enough to do it. Again, imo

 

[FunkyMonkey]

Good point, she truly may have not known, but darn wouldn't a good girlfriend whose also a lying coverer upper for KK wouldn't have given a heads up?

You’d think so, but nothing about these people makes sense. Pure crazy town!

 

[Artis]

The efficiency of any economical sensor diminishes as it gets farther away, up to sixty feet when it will no longer detect. The ARLO camera will only take a small number of pictures for free. When those have been used up, it will no longer take a picture until the start of the next billing period. If a person has the phone app, it will take a picture, but if the person doesn't accept it on the first request, it disappears. That is my understanding.
IMO

I've never had one of them but why would anyone pay for an Amazon service when they could just buy their own and have their own recordings? I'm thinking of whatever the neighbor of Chris Watts had. It looked like it 24/7 surveillance and he could save whatever he chose to. IOW, you buy the camera, record, and don't pay anyone.

 

[Artis]

It was stated in the Attachment 1 that the camera was an ARLO-1, part of an Amazon Echo based wireless system. The camera only comes on when activated by the motion sensor. If the user does not have it hooked to the Amazon SMART system or to a paid app, it will only take a picture and log it on the Amazon Cloud, then send a text message asking if the user wants to view it. The free service allows only a limited number of these instances, then shuts down.
Most people buy the app download, which gives them the ability to activate the camera any time and see what's in view. With the app, it will also notify the user of snapped opportunities that happen when the app is not activated, and the user can select whether he/she wants to view them or not.
An example would be that UPS delivers a package while the user is having a latte at Starbucks. The user gets a text saying the ARLO 1 designated "Front Door" has snapped a picture. Said user uses his/her UPS tracking app to determine that yes, the expected package was just delivered. Said user declines to view the image, saving a little money in the process, and Amazon deletes it from the Cloud.
My son uses an ARLO hooked to a device that I haven't yet seen. Every work day at a certain time he dials in the app and calls his Yorkie, who is asleep on a step at home alone. The dog runs to the device and my son causes it to drop a treat. The dog is happy, and my son is extremely happy. Welcome to the new world order. IMO
https://www.amazon.com/Arlo-Security-Camera-kit-Wire-Free/dp/B06ZZTXS5J

Did your son create the treat device? Very cool! Every dog I've ever had would be hanging around that thing all day, lol.

 

[Kapua]

PF wanted her to clean up, and then take KB's body and her gun to ID to "make it look like a suicide". Hmmm. If KKL had complied and been caught, it wouldn't have looked like a suicide. Was PF trying to set her up?