CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #47 *ARREST*

[Hatfield]

On page 4 of the AA:

21. On November 23, 2018, both Berreth's and Frazee's cellular telephones utilized the Verizon cell tower in Florissant, along with the sector facing Frazee's residence when Frazee's phone called Berreth's phone in the morning. Later in the day, both phones then appear to travel together from the area of Frazee's residence towards the same area west of Cripple Creek that both phones had visited the prior evening, before returning back in the direction of Frazee's residence.

What this doesn't tell us is what "Later in the day" is. Late afternoon, early evening? LE knows where he was, when he was there, just not exactly what he was doing. It appears he went back to Nash Ranch and then right back home again. I wonder how long he was there.

Yup, November 23rd is the most logical candidate day IMO where PF had a really good chance to do something with KB's body if we assume only the tote was eventually burned without a body in it.

Why would he go back on the 23rd and for what reason did he go back and for how long was he there?

Hmmmmmm

 

[acutename]

It makes sense that the body may not have been burned with the storage container. She claimed she never saw the body so she really can't get caught in a lie. It never made sense to me that they would burn the body right in the tote.
If they do find the body unburned, they can determine whether or not she was struck with a baseball bat, and they won't need her testimony so much after all.
The question is would they be able to prove she was lying. I guess that would depend on the phone data. If they spoke about it on the burner phones it would likely be hard to prove.

If the body and all the "crime scene clean up items" were burned, what is LE looking for in the landfill?

 

[Irmese]

I've read over the numerous threads over the past week, and formed a somewhat theory. I have a kind of wild imagination that tends to run rampant, so please, take a small jog with me. Just go easy on me, with the rebuttals I KNOW I will receive!



This is where things immediately get interesting for me! We know KB liked her once a week Chai Latte (don't we all?). WHAT IF, PF had her so worn out and met her with said drink, during his pickup for baby K? With the price for them, I know I would accept! Could he have drugged it? Could KKL have given him enough Xanax, Soma, or the like to put in it that KB's body couldn't handle it? OR could he have switched up any of the medication she may have been on for anxiety/depression for something that appeared similar? With KKL's background she would have had the knowledge of the appearance of a good amount of prescriptions.

IMO it's REALLY DIFFICULT & extreem to go from poisoning someone to an all out blood bath murder. I don't see it!

My personal theory: PF figured out how to poison her (something in the Chai) and incapacitate her until KKL got there(ie: "you have a mess to clean up"). (black tote w/silver handles) PF & KKL weren't counting on the tote being air tight, KB dies from a mixture of overdose, lack of oxygen, & carbon monoxide poisoning. There is no blood (let's face it KKL is a pathological liar), aside from tampons and typical menses blood found in the home of a typical "child bearing-aged female"!

Ok you all can start your hole punching now. We all know PF & KKL are neither smart nor very good at hiding ANYTHING. Although, my sights are aimed on KKL for this. She jumped WWAAAAAAYYY too quickly at a plea deal for comfort, for just evidence tampering JMO of course.

It would make sense except I think there is a lot of blood evidence and I don't think that came from KK. IMO, KK's preferred method would be drugs. Clean, easy to make it look like a suicide. PF wanted KB to be beaten to death. All will become clear. I wonder if KB had prescriptions for the drugs suggested. Suicide by overdose would have certainly been easier to stage, but maybe they couldn't work it out. There's only KK's word that the coffee wasn't drugged. Maybe it was, but KB did the only sane thing when given something by a stranger to ingest - dump it out. Poisoning is a common murder method used by women, not as common for men, except in cases of sexual assault. PF would have had much easier access to KB and any drugs she had. He could have poisoned her anytime with her own scrips or drugs from KK. I think this was part of the problem with their whole plot - each was trying to stage a different disappearance and/or death for KB. KK's plot was drugs and suicide. PF's plot was KB ran off with somebody else and to beat her to death.

 

[lindaromas]

Uh-oh. I've also been researching accelerants and 'burning totes - how long and how hot'.

Argghhhh! We’re all going down!

 

[CDB]

What this doesn't tell us is what "Later in the day" is. Late afternoon, early evening?

Snipped for brevity.

I think this highlights my personal frustration with where we are in this case. We have such a small amount of concrete evidence to consider, much of what we have has been present in the vaguest way possible leaving a wide interpretation. I realize this is likely strategy and will preserve the case, but it leaves me continually reconsidering everything.

I was looking through pics today and came across a pic taken in my childhood home right before we sold it several years ago. In the garage was a large pattern of brown spots on the ceiling, which was unpainted drywall. To quantify the size it was about 10 feet wide and 15 feet long, and had a similar amount of drops as one might think if you had opened a soda can after shaking it.

I thought back to why that pic was taken and recalled standing with my wife of 20 years recalling an event in my teens, (so roughly 25 years prior to the picture date.) Where I had impatiently used a utility knife incorrectly and sliced my hand from the base of my thumbnail to almost where my thumb joint joins the wrist. She could not believe the amount of blood and that was evident 25 years later (note to all, I did have the garage painted to clean it up prior to sale.)

The thing is, it was not life threatening and in fact not even debilitating. Just a few weeks in a cast and stitches I was back to my mischievous ways. Yet, to look at it after the fact one may have thought that something horrid had happened, in truth it was just me flipping my hand up and down a couple times as I registered the cut.

Anyway, to come full circle, that just reminded me of all this discussion of lots of blood. I guess, when I hear "lots of blood" I think of puddles on the ground where pints are lost, not spots scattered around "lots of the house." The way it is currently written it almost seems as lots of blood evidence means one spot in floor boards and spots in lots of other places, I just can not wait until we get a more literal description.

 

[acutename]

@Dave F.
Sunset was early Nov. 22nd. Is it possible that PF quickly ran out to Nash Ranch to drop off the tote either in front of the hay bales or onto the forks of the tractor, rushed back for dinner and then went back in the wee hours of the morning (Nov. 23rd) to lift it up onto the hay bales? Do we even know when Ma F. served up TG dinner? Was it 5 p.m. or later? Did PF show up, drop off baby K and say he needed to get something at the local variety quickly? What I recall is SF2 saying he arrived around 2:30p.m. and Patrick arrived later as well as the two phone calls placed to KK and SF later in the afternoon around 3:30p.m. or so. Thoughts?

I think he was running late when he called SF. Where did his bloody clothing go?

 

[Dave F.]

LE found blood under the floor boards, remember?

I personally believe PF had completely exhausted his supply of creative plots, found a bat in his hand, and started swinging. But that's just my opinion. MOO

 

[Dave F.]

If the body and all the "crime scene clean up items" were burned, what is LE looking for in the landfill?

I think LE has three choices, a river, the landfill or the incredibly vast uninhabited area behind and above Nash Ranch. The river is out, there isn't one. Also, all of the natural water on the Pikes Peak drainage belongs to the City of Colorado Springs. It's tested every day, at dozens of key points. Any hint of contamination would be tracked down immediately. I didn't want to elaborate on this in prior posts so nobody got grossed out. The dump is the next choice, and it's a very good one. Something had to get burned in that fire, and more important, there have to be identifiable remnants of some kind. So, if the body isn't there? Then it's a challenge, simply because of the immensity of the landscape, and it's a summer/fall project. I think LE is doing this in the logical way, that makes common sense. IMO

 

[acutename]

Without any question, I absolutely believe KK's account that PF burned KB's body.
The sweetie beauty of a deal saving her well-worn hide depends on her giving a truthful recitation of events.

I think there were physical remains that remained, which he disposed of after the fire.
Hence the landfill search.

JMO.

I just had a stray thought. PF kept telling KK she would "have another chance" and he seemed intent on having the murder completed. way back, there were rumor-like Qs about whether KB or KK could be pregnant. A woman can have bleeding during a pregnancy.... is there any possibility KB was pregnant and that is why her killer(s) wanted her body gone? I dislike asking this because it is a horrid thought, but the "you'll have another chance" statement is bothering me a lot. (total speculation)

 

[acutename]

Yes, I find that odd too. Extremely odd. It makes me think of the mop and bleach. Found at the ranch with blood. No conclusions yet. Almost like anything loaned by a Frazee must be returned? I know it may sound ludicrous but I have known the type that would have a fit if you did not return a paper clip. One thought anyhow.

Otherwise, what would be the reason? Was it maybe a tire iron or a cattle prod he wanted back?

Very strange like everything else in this case...

she picks up the keys at the ranch gate too.... no actual contact with PF... jut goes to the gate.

 

[InvSmith]

Even if PF testifies, I don't think we'll ever know the whole truth. Even if we did, we might not recognize it, because so much of what they did just makes no sense.

I would be curious to know what notes PF took at the first hearing. If he doesn't testify, I guess we'll have to try to guess what he was questioning/challenging by the questions the defense asks.

That said, in a trial like this, what is the point of nitpicking small stuff if you are clearly guilty of the main crime? I'd really like to hear PF's version of events from start

Even if PF testifies, I don't think we'll ever know the whole truth. Even if we did, we might not recognize it, because so much of what they did just makes no sense.

I would be curious to know what notes PF took at the first hearing. If he doesn't testify, I guess we'll have to try to guess what he was questioning/challenging by the questions the defense asks.

That said, in a trial like this, what is the point of nitpicking small stuff if you are clearly guilty of the main crime? I'd really like to hear PF's version of events from start to finish. He must have given LE some kind of story once they exposed his the first lies about his whereabouts on Thanksgiving Day. Or did he just clam up and refuse to talk to them after that?

When KK found out about KB and the baby, she bought baby clothes and confronted PF about Baby K, product of a relationship she knew nothing about. It seemed a slightly catty female thing to do - don't confront him, just act like "oh, heard you had a baby you didn't tell me about, how sweet, here's some presents". IIRC, at that time, she said he was angry and wouldn't talk - presumably because he didn't want to admit he'd been seeing two women at the same time.

Unfortunately, at some point he did start discussing KB and Baby K with KK, probably once he realized she wasn't going to dump him after finding out he'd been seeing another woman and fathering a child behind her back. That's when he probably realized just how far KK might go to try to hang on to him.

imho!

The distance must have created an open relationship situation but the pregnancy and fiancee double-life fifteen miles away created a massive stressor on both PF and KKL. Somehow all this was going to be corrected by KB simply disappearing and the child becoming his as though the transgression never happened. This is fully why she participated in all the attempts and cleaned the crime scene. This was fully payback for her. He is just soulless and evil incarnate.

 

[acutename]

An outburst in court might help reveal his true character, but he seems to be masking his feelings.. so far. That might change when testimony kicks in.

He’s a pretty cold person though and it may take a bit for him to act out. I know others have seen evidence of it in the past. I personally believe he was very cold and calculating at first during the actual crime but may have lost it as the beating progressed (if the reports of the method used are true).

A desire to have someone else commit the murder... he wanted KK to be responsible for the actual act. A cold and calculating coward, but not terribly bright.

I will always believe the plan was devised by the two of them and that her agreed upon testimony omits most info and includes a heaping dose of BS.

JMO

if you recall, FWIW, she did say that her initial response to the FBI: I do not know KB, I was checking out a horse in WP, was "drafted" by PF.

 

[Dave F.]

I think he was running late when he called SF. Where did his bloody clothing go?

I think he went directly from KB's to Nash Ranch. I suspect that the two phone calls around 3:30 were made while he was driving toward the ranch. I think he missed everyone else eating TG dinner, and fixed himself a plate while they were watching the dog show, or something. I don't think he even tried to make it to eat when they did.
I actually believe that he led a daily lifestyle that was pretty selfish, every day. I think the family was so used to it that they expected the unexpected from him.
No matter what time it was outside, it was probably pretty dark in the top of the barn. Every rancher carries a strong flashlight. It's part of themandatory package of junk that rattles around in the pickup.
I have no idea why he would go back the next day, since the tote was where he described to KKL that it would be. If they reveal more ohone data, we might be able to pin down when he went there of the 23rd and how long he was there, but right now about all we can do is guess. IMO

 

[InvSmith]

The blood is the only place I have issues explaining. Unless KK decided that her rage needed to be expressed as well! And then its a whole new ball game. As for the "staged suicide theory" the only reason to hide the body/burn the body is so that a medical examiner wouldn't find rhat her meds were switched or she was actually poisoned

Furthermore in no relation to this part...

"Cremation of a dead body is carried out at a temperature ranging between 1400 to 1800 degrees Fahrenheit. The intense heat helps reduce the body to its basic elements and dried bone fragments...

There is usually no smell because the emissions are processed to destroy the smoke and vaporize the gases that would smell...

On an average, it takes about one to three hours to cremate a human body,"

Please note this is typically what is done at a crematorium. As for if PF would be able to achieve that amount heat with gasoline, motor oil, & a 100 gallon trough... My brain says no, but I'm no expert

Citations:
How Is A Body Cremated? – Cremation Resource


This could be part of the reason why "Google records" are being kept under strict confidence ?

I agree with the burning hypothesis proposed not reaching temperatures. My concern is that PF had an extended period and apparently time and resources to work at whatever process was in his evil mind. Unfortunately, so far evidence shows he was successful at hiding what he did exactly. I don't think he will prevail.

 

[susiQ]

I think he was running late when he called SF. Where did his bloody clothing go?

My guess, the black plastic tote with the silver handles.

 

[jewelsmac]

My guess, the black plastic tote with the silver handles.

good guess.

 

[InvSmith]

Yup, November 23rd is the most logical candidate day IMO where PF had a really good chance to do something with KB's body if we assume only the tote was eventually burned without a body in it.

Why would he go back on the 23rd and for what reason did he go back and for how long was he there?

Hmmmmmm

This is really what is weird. PF is really doing all these really risky behaviors with complete disregard of being caught (I think this part of his psychopathic nature). On the 23rd after his adrenaline had settled down, he must be hit with the need to get rid of evidence. There is absolutely no reason to think he would not burn the body. This process was probably much more difficult than he thought but this part of the arrest affidavit is highly detailed. I hope LE find some evidence for testing in the landfill. I place a lot more weight on this part of the story than the second-hand murder details. As crazy as it all sounds, it is all probably true, demented but true.

 

[Dave F.]

The distance must have created an open relationship situation but the pregnancy and fiancee double-life fifteen miles away created a massive stressor on both PF and KKL. Somehow all this was going to be corrected by KB simply disappearing and the child becoming his as though the transgression never happened. This is fully why she participated in all the attempts and cleaned the crime scene. This was fully payback for her. He is just soulless and evil incarnate.

The latest interview by the interviewer that shall remain unnamed shockingly describes occasions well before Septemer of 2018 when KKL was seen at events where PF and KB were present. I can't draw any conclusion other than PF had ratcheted things up to where he was the master games player in his own mind, but it was a game he couldn't possibly win by his own rules of play. I have no other choice left about KKL...........she was thoroughly stupid, left all of her morals back in one of those Idaho gorges,and apparently was on campaign to completely dismantle her own life while ruining others lives, as well.
Somewhere, their train done left the track, and went so far it can never be put back on. IMO

 

[acutename]

The latest interview by the interviewer that shall remain unnamed shockingly describes occasions well before Septemer of 2018 when KKL was seen at events where PF and KB were present. I can't draw any conclusion other than PF had ratcheted things up to where he was the master games player in his own mind, but it was a game he couldn't possibly win by his own rules of play. I have no other choice left about KKL...........she was thoroughly stupid, left all of her morals back in one of those Idaho gorges,and apparently was on campaign to completely dismantle her own life while ruining others lives, as well.
Somewhere, their train done left the track, and went so far it can never be put back on. IMO

If KB has seen KK somewhere previously (a rodeo, in WP, where ever) how does she react to the poisoned/not poisoned coffee visit? Does she just think: oh yeah, this face does look familiar, guess she lives around here?

 

[Love Never Fails]

The latest interview by the interviewer that shall remain unnamed shockingly describes occasions well before Septemer of 2018 when KKL was seen at events where PF and KB were present. I can't draw any conclusion other than PF had ratcheted things up to where he was the master games player in his own mind, but it was a game he couldn't possibly win by his own rules of play. I have no other choice left about KKL...........she was thoroughly stupid, left all of her morals back in one of those Idaho gorges,and apparently was on campaign to completely dismantle her own life while ruining others lives, as well.
Somewhere, their train done left the track, and went so far it can never be put back on. IMO

Dave is there a reason why he interviewer cannot be named? I would like to see it or read about it. Thanks in advance.