CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #48 *ARREST*

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  • #181
Yes this one sure shows how often he was going to Slagle's residence. And Slagle cannot say he got involved because he felt for PF as PF was being "railroaded" because at this time, KB was not even considered missing. This is during the days of the murder/clean-up. And now we have this SR woman too. I suspect KK went to her house after the gorge...

I swear what do we have here? Some type of idiotic evil clan? smh.

Forgive me for not having the link to the correct SW handy but IIRC, SR arises from a search of KKL’s cell number in “public databases”. IMO, and from my own experience, these databases are fraught with errors and/or outdated information. SR could be a previous owner of that number. Those public db’s are also updated when the recipients of spam calls report those calls. (The spammer spoofs names and numbers to make their spam attempts less traceable. (We’ve all received them, I’m sure.) I know if you search my cell several other strange names come up as being associated with it in the various public db’s. And they can be different names in each one. So it’s possible that SR is unrelated to the case or a fictional person entirely. But her name appears in the SW request which ultimately allowed LE to get the true owner of the number from Verizon — KKL.

RS is another another thing entirely. No doubt he is under heavy scrutiny. Remember how little we knew for fact about KKL, her whereabouts and her degree of cooperation until it was all revealed? I’m betting this is similar.

Again, all of the above is MOO. There’s a lot to digest today...
 
  • #182
According to the warrant police obtained to search the home Frazee and his mother shared in Florissant in mid-December, supporting documentation for the warrant application showed that Woodland Park police received a Facebook message of a screen shot of a post made by a woman named Sheila McCorkle-Frazee at 4:36 p.m. on Nov. 22 that shows a picture of Glinda from “The Wizard of Oz” and says, “YAY the witch is dead”.

They knew THAT DAY!
The chances of this NOT being related are so astronomical it cannot be calculated. This is literally the approximate time he left the house after the murder. So, someone needs to provide an explanation of who sent this message. There are limited people that knew.
 
  • #183
Forgive me for not having the link to the correct SW handy but IIRC, SR arises from a search of KKL’s cell number in “public databases”. IMO, and from my own experience, these databases are fraught with errors and/or outdated information. SR could be a previous owner of that number. Those public db’s are also updated when the recipients of spam calls report those calls. (The spammer spoofs names and numbers to make their spam attempts less traceable. (We’ve all received them, I’m sure.) I know if you search my cell several other strange names come up as being associated with it in the various public db’s. And they can be different names in each one. So it’s possible that SR is unrelated to the case or a fictional person entirely. But her name appears in the SW request which ultimately allowed LE to get the true owner of the number from Verizon — KKL.

RS is another another thing entirely. No doubt he is under heavy scrutiny. Remember how little we knew for fact about KKL, her whereabouts and her degree of cooperation until it was all revealed? I’m betting this is similar.

Again, all of the above is MOO. There’s a lot to digest today...

Whether a fictional name or a real one, I have little doubt KK is behind it or connected to using the phone. Hopefully she did not involve some innocent person with the name SR.

Slagle, yes, I would hope they are looking deeper into that. His property seems to be in those crucial days as much or more than Nash ranch...
 
  • #184
The chances of this NOT being related are so astronomical it cannot be calculated. This is literally the approximate time he left the house after the murder. So, someone needs to provide an explanation of who sent this message. There are limited people that knew.

I agree, it looks awful, but it is two different Sheilas. And different ages. From @MassGuy yesterday...

That’s wild.

Yeah, when I look up this Sheila Mccorkle-Frazee using public records searches, I come back to a woman born in 1963, who also lives in Colorado.

PF’s Sheila was born in 1954.

This jibes with what I read on social media, when people were mistakenly harassing the wrong woman.

ETA: I posted and then deleted a screenshot of this poor woman’s Facebook post, that explained the context of the Wizard of Oz post.

She said she was being contacted by media, because they also thought she was PF’s Sheila.

This was a coincidence.

She’s about to have a really bad day.

moo
 
  • #185
Yes this one sure shows how often he was going to Slagle's residence. And Slagle cannot say he got involved because he felt for PF as PF was being "railroaded" because at this time, KB was not even considered missing. This is during the days of the murder/clean-up. And now we have this SR woman too. I suspect KK went to her house after the gorge...

I swear what do we have here? Some type of idiotic evil clan? smh.
On those "reverse number lookup" sites, proceed with caution. Just for grins, I looked up a number we had when I was a kid,
and it still shows it associated with my parents, who have not lived in the area for almost 20 years.
 
  • #186
Edit : Didn't see @MassGuys' post. Oops.
I am sorry for ALL of the truly innocent people who are being pulled into this heinous PF's actions.
 
  • #187
But why would they be curious about whether the baby was seen on the security cam? I can't figure that one out.
They are trying to find out what LE knows.
 
  • #188
SW111 "items to recover at PF residence" - item#4 packaging for ornament sent from Costco by CB2 on 11/29, arrived at KB 12/1

RS wasn't sure whether he picked up the package Mon 12/3 or Tues 12/4, per SW111, Dec 10, after presser discussion with CBI Slater.

(Yes, the SW spells out CB2 sent it, not CB1). HTH.

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So the implication is that KB lived there, and PF has been doing baby exchanges there since May 2018, and although the surveillance camera is practically in PF's face just feet away, he never saw it, never knew it was there as he walked by 100s of times? Okay.
I think he did know it was there, if the friend specifically mentioned the camera. It would have looked less suspicious if he had gone up to the door to get the package himself. Imo
 
  • #189
Wow, now that is interesting... It also for some reason does not surprise me...
Perhaps it’s aburner phone that KKL put in someone else’s name?
 
  • #190
Forgive me for not having the link to the correct SW handy but IIRC, SR arises from a search of KKL’s cell number in “public databases”. IMO, and from my own experience, these databases are fraught with errors and/or outdated information. SR could be a previous owner of that number. Those public db’s are also updated when the recipients of spam calls report those calls. (The spammer spoofs names and numbers to make their spam attempts less traceable. (We’ve all received them, I’m sure.) I know if you search my cell several other strange names come up as being associated with it in the various public db’s. And they can be different names in each one. So it’s possible that SR is unrelated to the case or a fictional person entirely. But her name appears in the SW request which ultimately allowed LE to get the true owner of the number from Verizon — KKL.

RS is another another thing entirely. No doubt he is under heavy scrutiny. Remember how little we knew for fact about KKL, her whereabouts and her degree of cooperation until it was all revealed? I’m betting this is similar.

Again, all of the above is MOO. There’s a lot to digest today...
That makes sense. Phone numbers come and go quickly these days with everyone having a smartphone. An anonymous burner phone just gets the next available number from a computer. Maybe RS is just the prior owner of that number now assigned to KK's new burner phone. iirc LE first contacted KK on Dec 14 when she was at the NRF in Las Vegas after finding the number in PF's phone taken Dec 4. LE called the number to see who it is and found KK?
 
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They are trying to find out what LE knows.
They were trying to see if the container with Kelsey's body could be seen on the video. The container wasn't in his truck when he came to Kelsey's duplex, but it could be seen when he left the duplex and was at the bank.
 
  • #192
That makes sense. Phone numbers come and go quickly these days with everyone having a smartphone. An anonymous burner phone just gets the next available number from a computer. Maybe RS is just the prior owner of that number now assigned to KK's new burner phone. iirc LE first contacted KK on Dec 14 when she was NRF in Las Vegas after finding the number in PF's phone taken Dec 4. LE called the number to see who it is and found KK?
Are you a believer in huge coincidences? I'm not. Check the teeny-tiny towns in which both have lived and occupations.
 
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The chances of this NOT being related are so astronomical it cannot be calculated. This is literally the approximate time he left the house after the murder. So, someone needs to provide an explanation of who sent this message. There are limited people that knew.

JMO
I agree. In crimes like this I am less likely to believe in coincidences and this is one coincidence I choose not to believe in.

Something really fishy about it.
 
  • #195
Forgive me for not having the link to the correct SW handy but IIRC, SR arises from a search of KKL’s cell number in “public databases”. IMO, and from my own experience, these databases are fraught with errors and/or outdated information. SR could be a previous owner of that number. Those public db’s are also updated when the recipients of spam calls report those calls. (The spammer spoofs names and numbers to make their spam attempts less traceable. (We’ve all received them, I’m sure.) I know if you search my cell several other strange names come up as being associated with it in the various public db’s. And they can be different names in each one. So it’s possible that SR is unrelated to the case or a fictional person entirely. But her name appears in the SW request which ultimately allowed LE to get the true owner of the number from Verizon — KKL.

RS is another another thing entirely. No doubt he is under heavy scrutiny. Remember how little we knew for fact about KKL, her whereabouts and her degree of cooperation until it was all revealed? I’m betting this is similar.

Again, all of the above is MOO. There’s a lot to digest today...
Yes, maybe the phone was her burner phone, and there was another name associated with it.
I had a Tracfone at one time and the number must have still been in someone else's name because I kept getting text messages addressing me as Carlos. Imo
 
  • #196
To add to our camera confusion, this document lists 251 (the neighbor with the Arlo camera) as directly east of KB's, when it's actually directly west of KB's...


I don't follow. If the baby's last name is legally B, it wouldn't change just because her parents got married. In fact it wouldn't change even if her mom changed her own name upon marriage. Baby's name doesn't change until someone legally changes it, regardless of what event is the prompt. But I do agree it's puzzling why KB's brother used the wrong name.



Didn't the warrant say they were looking for "indicia"? That apparently means postal service markings? I suppose as a part of confirming that the right people actually live at that location or something? An electric bill would fit that need, I assume.

You don't follow that if two people have a baby together and get married, they would change their baby's last name to their's? I'm saying KB's family thought they were getting married and they bought little K a personalized item that would be a forever keepsake so they put her "new" last name initial on it. IMO.
 
  • #197
Perhaps it’s aburner phone that KKL put in someone else’s name?

Certainly a possibility--we know they liked their burner phones...
 
  • #198
JMO
I agree. In crimes like this I am less likely to believe in coincidences and this is one coincidence I choose not to believe in.

Something really fishy about it.

I will join your club.

One coincidence is one thing, but here we have the name, the time, and the date. Too many coincidences for me. And from all I have read, they come out and say it is not his mother, but they have not come out and said there is no connection to this case, nor any relation.

My mind remains open on this one...
 
  • #199
The chances of this NOT being related are so astronomical it cannot be calculated. This is literally the approximate time he left the house after the murder. So, someone needs to provide an explanation of who sent this message. There are limited people that knew.
The Wizard of Oz original 1939 movie aired on TBS on Thanksgiving 11/22/18 at 6:00PM EST. That's 4:00PM MST.

Thanksgiving 2018 TV Schedule – What to Watch This Year!

TBS often airs a 5 minute +/- historical header. The film runs 141 minutes. Glinda appears at about 22 minutes, and the Munchkins are singing "Ding Dong, the witch is dead, the witch is dead!" up to approx. 25 minutes in.

SM-F is an unrelated person to the case. Some $%&@ was doxxing her FB and sent the "tip" to LE. LE didn't spend 3 seconds to google that the film had aired that day, that the post was made just after the witch died in the film, and LE did not spend 10 minutes to discover that SM-F is not SF. Better to write a SW...?
 
  • #200
Perhaps it’s aburner phone that KKL put in someone else’s name?
By its nature, a burner phone is anonymous and has no mame. Just pay cash for phone and for a month at a time of service plan, pay cash as you go.
 
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