CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #48 *ARREST*

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  • #941
I am not a journalist, with that said do they have a protocol and maybe some limitations on what would be politically correct and be in compliance with LE while a ongoing investigation is present. Maybe some rules and regs apply here? I have no idea why I am asking. The YouTubers are not regulated as far as I know.
There are ethics that bind journalists and they must remain objective. PF hasn't gone to trial yet. Andrea wasn't there to interrogate people, she was there to interview them. It was only a one-hour show and I'm sure a lot landed on the editing room floor, as they say.

I found the YouTuber's comment about the manager at Starbucks remembering KK and PF had coffee together to be very interesting. I now wonder if it was PF who waited in the car while KK carried it to KB's door.

JMO
 
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If I could have one wish tonight it would be that every woman who has ever been involved, or is currently involved with a man like PF, watched this episode and has had her eyes opened.
I agree. There are reasons naive young women get involved with these men and that is because the men are covert narcissists. To everyone, including the woman, they appear to be Mr. Nice Guy but they eventually shed that facade when they are alone with the woman until she is battered into believing everything is her fault.

KB's offer to make PF a sweet potato casserole broke my heart. She was trying so hard.

JMO
 
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He’s this horrible reporter who apparently uses social media posts to write his pieces for the Daily Mail.

He wrote the story about PF’s mom allegedly making the Wizard of Oz post, which became their top headline for many hours.

Just seeing his name in the byline, sends me into a near uncontrollable rage.

Thanks for passing that on to me, MG, 'cause what I need is some more uncontrollable rage as I follow this case, Jayme Closs and Shanann Watts.

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  • #945
I get ab01 not liking her. I don't like her! But, she'd cut right through the BS with CC and the likes of him.
Funny, eh? So many of us really don't like her, but we LIKE her in a strange sort of way and would LOVE to see her interview some of these dimwits. I'd like her to start with the R's, then MS and MG, LS, CC, RS and then the grand finale with KK. Now that would be a show worth watching!!
 
  • #946
Must be that cowboy code for that group. I believe they know PF killed her and they feel that KB deserved it. No other explanation for their callous remarks.
The taco hats in CO are not the kind of men and cowboys I see daily.
 
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With respect to KK and her body. I've known big women with the biggest hearts and I've known women that were not born beauties that had a most beautiful heart and kind spirit. Outwardly, KK is neither very ugly or enormous, however, inwardly she is enormously ugly in every way and somehow we tend to lash out and translate our disgust of who she is on the inside to her outward appearance. Best if we stick to assassinating her character :) JMO

So well said. That is what I was thinking. Most people that would say that would never think that or say it to anyone. But we know KK has an inside that is ugly enough she could do what she did or go as far as she did. From what we know KB did not. She seemed to have a caring inside and heart. It is a manifestation of ugly inside and out with KK.

To me I don't care what pictures they use. Because quite honestly the ones from younger years just show dated hair, dated makeup, etc. It does her no favors. Teenagers who saw these pictures would go wth, that must be way back when and somewhere in the hicks? That sounds judgmental but it is true.... That would be true of any of us past 21 to 25 these days.

It is a way to vent. At what appear to be at least two monsters or one monster and one that had no line, even lying to a federal agency...
 
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I've been reading the search warrants released recently and some very interesting reading in there... It's rare for us 'aliens' to be able to access govt sites.
Am working on getting my head around a timeline that I need to make from (18-120). Please correct me if I'm wrong, however - I figured that PF did indeed pick up baby around 12:30ish and toddled around Woodland going to the ATM 12:45-1pmish. Then there is a gap in confirmation of his movements until a Walmart cctv 3:13pm (if I read the warrant correctly). Phone records of calls from vicinity of KB's home to SF and KJK around 4:30pm. (am ignoring the unconfirmed sighting for the sake of clarity).

From this, I'm theorising - IMO - is it likely that PF could have returned with baby-in-basket and baseball bat some time between 1 and 3 to do a foul deed, before going out (to perhaps purchase a fresh supply of ?baby wipes) then returning to the scene of the crime to do whatever/cursory clean-up - 3;30-4.30pm.

Did anything come up about what he bought at Walmart in that photo of him in the baby section? Did he buy a black tote with silver handles as well? He looks awfully clean in that photo for it to be after a violent episode with blood splatter.

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And that is perhaps what I most admire about this situation.

That this was not something he had ever done.

He was passionate about it because she was a neighbor and he got involved.

And he has done the best that he can and is putting himself out there, even though he is an eccentric person for perhaps many people.

I kind of find it endearing, (I know that is a silly thing to say but I do believe it) that he is tickled that he is getting so much publicity.

It's just a person who lives out west that has been caught up in all of this and he is using his skills to do what he wants to do for his passion. I admire that.

To many people, it comes across that he has a big ego, but if I had come across this and I had done what he did, I would feel very very proud of myself also!

E.g. That I had never been involved in this crime sleuth stuff and I was stretching my abilities and my passion to do what I believe in.

He has given us, for those that have followed him, information which has now been proven to be correct, videos of the property when they were pulling up the septic tank area, showing KKL walking through the property, gone to the presser on the 10th and perhaps having a screenshot of the person who is now being talked about at the bank and at the presser, being the first to break the news about the sonic person , interviewing three Neighbors, and just overall, a different insight.

Do I think he is a true journalist, no.

Do I think he is absolutely positively contributing to information for law enforcement and for us, absolutely yes.

Do I think he tried to clean up nicely to be presentable and credible for the special tonight, LOL absolutely! He took his hat off!

He does his thing when he needs to. He can clean up and be presentable when needed. He clearly has some ins in his own area. He is impressive on interviews and fair. I needed to watch him more than once before I realized. And then his next one lol I will think for those that look for the normal status quo they are going to go wth? He is not afraid to tell it like it is. He loves his children, his wife, etc. He lives in the area and he is absolutely pro victim. Yet fair. His interviews have rocked anything I have seen. And that includes interviews with PF friends.
 
  • #951
But wouldn't you love to cut her loose with KK on live TV?

Okay. I have seen some humorous comments today but that one made me chuckle out loud. I was picturing her and CC. But her and KK I laughed out loud... There might be some blonde hair flying on one side or the other...
 
  • #952
There are things you want to think about while sitting on the sofa eating a jelly donut and reading Websleuths comments. This isn't one of them, lindaromas! : > 0

Ha Ha!
 
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COLORADO SPRINGS – New interviews related to the Kelsey Berreth case show Patrick Frazee may have abused past girlfriends before allegedly killing his fiancé.

That was one of the big revelations in an hour-long episode of Dateline that aired on NBC Friday night.

Georgia Currie opened up about her daughter, Vanessa, who dated Frazee around 2010.

“I think he has a talent of preying on fragile women,” Currie said.

Vanessa called in to speak with reporter Andrea Canning, describing Frazee’s abuse toward her from the Denver Women’s Correctional Facility, where she’s serving time on drug charges. She called Frazee a “monster”, and said his mental abuse almost forced her to commit suicide.

“If something wasn’t useful to him anymore.. he’d get rid of it,” Vanessa said.

Canning sat down with News 5’s Sam Kraemer Friday morning to preview the episode, discuss what stood out most in the case and talk about why Dateline focused in on it.

Canning said the mystery element to it all — how Berreth vanished with her vehicles still outside her townhome, the cell phone ping in Idaho and more — is what drew her team in.

“You have a young mom that everyone can relate to. She’s with her daughter in the grocery store. It’s Thanksgiving. It’s supposed to be a happy time, and then she just vanishes,” Canning said.

Viewers also heard from Berreth’s family directly for the first time since evidence was released to show probable cause that Frazee murdered Berreth.

JoDee Garretson, Berreth’s cousin, said the pain of not knowing where Berreth’s body is holds a toll on the family.

“I keep trying to envision the scene, like all of it, because I have a need, I feel like, to bear witness for Kelsey,” Garretson said.

Frazee is due in court April 8 for an arraignment hearing, where he will enter a plea for the eight counts he’s facing.

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Sam Kraemer
Multimedia Journalist for KOAA News 5. Email: [email protected].
 
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I agree. There are reasons naive young women get involved with these men and that is because the men are covert narcissists. To everyone, including the woman, they appear to be Mr. Nice Guy but they eventually shed that facade when they are alone with the woman until she is battered into believing everything is her fault.

KB's offer to make PF a sweet potato casserole broke my heart. She was trying so hard.

JMO

Yes, you don't make just a sweet potato casserole to eat at your house with somebody. You make a sweet potato casserole to take somewhere else. Where did she think she was going and who was expecting her to bring that sweet potato casserole is what I want to know.
 
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Search warrants reveal new details in Kelsey Berreth case | East Idaho News

[...]

The search warrants reveal that on the day Berreth disappeared, she left a Safeway grocery store in a red Chevrolet Silverado. A red Toyota Tacoma matching Frazee’s vehicle is seen on surveillance video turning north onto Fairview Street in Woodland Park. A minute later, Kelsey Berreth’s vehicle is seen turning north onto the same street.

Fairview Street intersects with Lake Avenue, the road of the townhome where Kelsey Berreth lived.

A few minutes later, the same red Toyota Tacoma is seen on the same surveillance camera heading toward the Ent Credit Union. Frazee made four transactions at the ATM, according to the warrants, and then went to Walmart in Woodland Park. He left the store after making a purchase around 1:13 p.m. Documents do not specify what he purchased at the store.



Ten minutes later, the camera on the home of one of Berreth’s neighbors captured a man. matching the description of Frazee, entering the front door of his fiancé’s townhome. The red Toyota Tacoma was seen on the surveillance camera near Fairview Street around the same time. Investigators note it appeared there was some kind of crate in the back of the truck.

At around 3:36 p.m., the man thought to be Frazee is seen again on the same camera at Berreth’s house.

“It is noted that around this time, Frazee’s phone records indicated that he called his mother and Krystal Lee,” according to a warrant.

[...]

On Dec. 6, the manager of the Ent Credit Union in Woodland Park told investigators Frazee and an unidentified man went to the credit union and requested a timeline of transactions from Nov. 22. According to the manager, there was no account history after the Walmart purchase until Nov. 26 at a Conoco gas station.

The manager noted the unknown man said, “Well, you might as well let her know it is about the missing person.” She said as the pair was leaving the credit union, the man said, “Forget us about being here,” according to a search warrant.

The manager of the credit union said the unidentified man was tall and with a medium to heavy build. She described him as having grey hair and possibly facial hair.

According to documents, a UPS driver was seen dropping off a package at Kelsey Berreth’s home on a neighbor’s surveillance camera on Dec. 1. Two days later, an elderly man with white hair and white facial hair was seen picking up the package. The man was later identified as a friend of Frazee who approached detectives at the end of a news conference on Dec. 10.

He told detectives Frazee needed a ride from Woodland Park to his home in Florissant, Colorado. He said to investigators he was Frazee’s “best friend,” and “father figure,” knowing Frazee for decades. He also told investigators Frazee directed him to drive to Lake Avenue.

“Upon arriving, (the friend) further reported he instructed Patrick to remain in the vehicle while he (the friend) went to the front door and retrieved the package,” according to documents.

The friend told the detectives he wanted Frazee to stay in the vehicle so he would not be seen on the neighbor’s surveillance cameras. He said to investigators Frazee was not involved in the disappearance of Berreth but law enforcement should look into a Southwest Airlines pilot who Berreth formally dated.

[...]

When Kenney arrived in Idaho on Nov. 25, a text message was sent from Berreth’s cellphone at 5:14 p.m. near Malad Gorge State Park. It is the last recorded location of Berreth’s phone, according to warrants.

At 5:21 p.m., a call from Frazee’s phone was made to Berreth but was not successful. At the time of the call, Frazee’s phone was in Colorado. Seven minutes later, Frazee received a phone call from an Idaho number traced back to a woman whom EastIdahoNews.com is not identifying because she has not been charged. The phone call was only 47 seconds and came from a house only 10 miles from the Malad Gorge State Park. Documents say Frazee was in “frequent” contact with the number.

Details of the woman’s relationship with Frazee are not mentioned in documents.

[...]
 
  • #958
I've been reading the search warrants released recently and some very interesting reading in there... It's rare for us 'aliens' to be able to access govt sites.
Am working on getting my head around a timeline that I need to make from (18-120). Please correct me if I'm wrong, however - I figured that PF did indeed pick up baby around 12:30ish and toddled around Woodland going to the ATM 12:45-1pmish. Then there is a gap in confirmation of his movements until a Walmart cctv 3:13pm (if I read the warrant correctly). Phone records of calls from vicinity of KB's home to SF and KJK around 4:30pm. (am ignoring the unconfirmed sighting for the sake of clarity).

From this, I'm theorising - IMO - is it likely that PF could have returned with baby-in-basket and baseball bat some time between 1 and 3 to do a foul deed, before going out (to perhaps purchase a fresh supply of ?baby wipes) then returning to the scene of the crime to do whatever/cursory clean-up - 3;30-4.30pm.

Did anything come up about what he bought at Walmart in that photo of him in the baby section? Did he buy a black tote with silver handles as well? He looks awfully clean in that photo for it to be after a violent episode with blood splatter.

Colorado Judicial Branch
You need to focus on the arrest affidavit, in regards to the timeline.

In short, he picks up the baby, goes to Walmart, and returns to the house, spending approximately 2 hours there.
 

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  • #959
There are ethics that bind journalists and they must remain objective. PF hasn't gone to trial yet. Andrea wasn't there to interrogate people, she was there to interview them. It was only a one-hour show and I'm sure a lot landed on the editing room floor, as they say.

I found the YouTuber's comment about the manager at Starbucks remembering KK and PF had coffee together to be very interesting. I now wonder if it was PF who waited in the car while KK carried it to KB's door.

JMO
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  • #960
Omg!!! There is our girl TV. She is beautiful inside and out.
 
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