CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[ab01]

Listen I'm not disputing anything, All i'm saying is Chris Spargo reads copies and presses paste. He doesn't investigate or verify any info he ever finds...MOO

 

[Hatch]

SABBM

Thanks for posting that info.^^


Aside from family dynamics, a difficult childhood and mental illness have been used by perp's as excuses.
Yet there are many who have been dealt a truly vicious hand in life. And yet they have not and will not harm a soul.
No excuse.

I do think it it unfair to assume siblings may be just as bad as the evil one.

 

[LietKynes]

I do think it it unfair to assume siblings may be just as bad as the evil one.

Absolutely agree.

Other killers' family members have been vilified, when they had no idea of the crimes being perpetrated by a relative; prior to the criminals' arrest.

 

[MsBetsy]

I just saw this on line. Wasn't sure how to post it. ANOTHER WOMAN????

I don't believe there is another woman involved. That's just the name that is associated with the phone KK used. It could have been her using a friend's phone, or it may have been a phone that was still in another persons name.
That information is reported by the DM, a gossip and entertainment site.
There has been no verification of another woman involved, as far as I know. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

Even if this third woman turns out to be completely unrelated to Kelsey's murder --- the timing of PF's calls is very strange.

What, was he just feeling "chatty" ?

IF this was his first murder, was he nervous and had to blab about inconsequential trivia ?
So, we know he called mommy, KK, and this 3rd person.
Did I miss anyone else ?

I think he called his mom, simply to say that he was going to be a little late.

I think he called KK, to tell her to get her butt to Colorado.

I think that other phone number, was also KK.

ETA: That third number was contacted later on, and not on the day of the murder.

 

[MsBetsy]

Even if this third woman turns out to be completely unrelated to Kelsey's murder --- the timing of PF's calls is very strange.

What, was he just feeling "chatty" ?

IF this was his first murder, was he nervous and had to blab about inconsequential trivia ?
So, we know he called mommy, KK, and this 3rd person.
Did I miss anyone else ?

Weren't the calls when KK was on the way back to Idaho? Sometime after the last ping from Kelseys phone?
He was probably just touching base with her, checking up on her "progress." Imo

 

[Hatch]

Okay then. I didn't say, little K wasn't there in the super market. I'm saying, I don't see her in the carrier at that time, when the surveillance camera got a view of PF. Would be an advantage, if LE would have prove of the baby being there around the time.

I agree the carrier looks empty,we may never know. In the pic on PF left arm near his elbow is that a patch of hair, dirt or bruise, and peaking out of his sleeve is that a tattoo or bruise or whatever?

 

[MassGuy]

I agree the carrier looks empty,we may never know.

In the beginning, people were speculating that Kelsey was shopping at Safeway, with an empty baby carrier.

The same thing is happening here, with PF in Walmart.

What reason in the world, would either of them have for pretending to have the baby with them?

 

[MsBetsy]

Okay then. I didn't say, little K wasn't there in the super market. I'm saying, I don't see her in the carrier at that time, when the surveillance camera got a view of PF. Would be an advantage, if LE would have prove of the baby being there around the time.

Yes, it would be. Maybe they believe they captured her on camera enough to think she was with him. I don't remember if they spotted her once or twice. I think it was once while he took her out of the car and maybe another time when she was in the car.
Also, there are cameras throughout the whole store so maybe there is another image of her. Imo

 

[Hatch]

In the beginning, people were speculating that Kelsey was shopping at Safeway, with an empty baby carrier.

The same thing is happening here, with PF in Walmart.

What reason in the world, would either of them have for pretending to have the baby with them?

Well @MassGuy PF stated to LE he picked up a baby K in the alley from KB, I would think they both had carriers and he could of grabbed his and carted it into Walmart to backup his story, honestly in the pic you cannot see a 14 mon child, not saying she is not there, just saying you cannot tell in this somewhat grainy photo.

 

[MsBetsy]

Self deleted.

Thinking about Kelsey's family having to endure this.
Thankful they have little baby K. , and am certain she's bringing them some joy !

Well, if little Jodi Arias could drag someone with more than 50 lbs. on her, then I'm sure a man PF's size would have little trouble with 100 or so pounds of body weight. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Well @MassGuy PF stated to LE he picked up a baby K in the alley from KB, I would think they both had carriers and he could of grabbed his and carted it into Walmart to backup his story, honestly in the pic you cannot see a 14 mon child, not saying she is not there, just saying you cannot tell in this somewhat grainy photo.

True, but they saw the baby on camera with him very soon after he picked her up, in the parking lot. Imo

 

[Hatch]

I'm against it in all cases because I don't want the government killing people. The justice system is so screwed up and so little is known about why people are the way they are, that it simply should never happen. IMO.

The government is not killing people, a jury ( common citizens from all walks of life) of the perpetrators peers have found he/ she guilty after proof by LE that the person is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. A Judge sets sentencing according to the the guidelines of the law pertaining to the crime committed. The sentencing or execution is carried out in a State facility, by common citizens that are vetted psychologically and employed by each State. In a DP State Jurors and a Judge decide the perpetrators fate.

 

[Hatch]

True, but they saw the baby on camera with him very soon after he picked her up, in the parking lot. Imo

You may be right. She is a very tiny girl in all pics we have seen of her , she appears to be very skinny, perhaps long legged in the pics of PF holding her like a bag of groceries.

 

[Hatch]

In the beginning, people were speculating that Kelsey was shopping at Safeway, with an empty baby carrier.

The same thing is happening here, with PF in Walmart.

What reason in the world, would either of them have for pretending to have the baby with them?

For me personally I could see babyK's head in the Safeway video. I enlarged and enhanced the photo to prove to myself that babyK was in it. I am sure 110% she was present. In the Walmart pic of PF honestly I cannot tell if she is in or not. I assume she is according to all accounts .

 

[Seattle1]

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I'm trusting DA May here. Investigation too important for rookie mistakes, or appearance of impropriety!

On 4/22/18, SF2 was identified in local crime news as an "Officer" of the Sand Creek Division.

Sand Creek Division provides law enforcement services for the southeastern part of the city.

Latest MSM doesn't support SF2 a homicide investigator for a police department where KKL was brought into for her interview...

Teens' killings, deputy's death: Could Colorado Springs gang unit have made a difference?

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I know we have some wonderful WS posters here that work in the medical field, I have a question, what do y'all think about all of KK's assistants being in the medical field?
For us non medical workers it is sort of bizarre SFMS.
I am open minded to it just being her circle of friends that happen to work in the medical field. But it is a little unnerving.

It's a lot unnerving.

 

[MsBetsy]

You may be right. She is a very tiny girl in all pics we have seen of her , she appears to be very skinny, perhaps long legged in the pics of PF holding her like a bag of groceries.

I know, the poor thing looks like a little rag doll the way he is holding her. She looks very light, she doesn't have those chubby legs some babies have. Imo

 

[LittleDoe]

Per the SW 18-112 page 9,bottom paragraph, Officer Huber viewed the Walmart camera and saw PF "get a car carrier with baby out of the passenger seat and enter Walmart."

 

[Kapua]

Yes, it would be. Maybe they believe they captured her on camera enough to think she was with him. I don't remember if they spotted her once or twice. I think it was once while he took her out of the car and maybe another time when she was in the car.
Also, there are cameras throughout the whole store so maybe there is another image of her. Imo

The images in the warrant are stills grabbed from surveillance video. I feel confident that LE has access to the full videos and that baby K can be seen on them. MOO