CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[AgeofAquaruis]

Given what we know about PF, the Clines and this group, I'd agree that KB didn't fit in.

A diamond in the rough.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I agree Croc.
Why was PF driving there the days after PF's TG visits.
PF must have been exhausted, being 'so busy' on the 22nd, yet managed to drive to the vicinity of RS's place, on that night, and the following days.
Yet PF had been awake to all hours on TG eve, then had his murderous spree, driving about, back home, off to RS.
Phew.
Something very important was required to be achieved.
I believe, this will be investigated further, and am hoping we have more evidence.
However, with the time lapse, any evidence, concerning these trips, may have disappeared.
MOO.

I am actually hoping that RS will hear more evidence, place it all together, and realize PF is a psychopath and then begin a search of his own to find KBs body. He might remember all the places PF visited on his property. He may end up being another person who was duped by PF and go to LE himself. I certainly hope so. Some of those people must have a conscience.

 

[MemPat]

The fact that KK gave PF the opportunity to solicit her not once but three times says it all.

Three times that we know about.

 

[NWLady]

Found it, College of Southern Idaho, ADN. The queen quest
You were right, she is an ADN not an RN. CSI doesn't have a BSN program, and that is where she went to school and graduated from.

In the State I live in, if you graduated with an Associate Degree in Nursing (ADN) and take and pass Registered Nurse State boards, then yes you are a Registered Nurse. Maybe it varies from state to state?

ETA: I see now that I am caught up on the thread that this had already been explained, so please disregard.

 

[Gardener1850]

That 13:24 time comes from the affidavit.

Thanks MassGuy. So does this indicate PF may have had an accomplice? Did someone bring him his truck while he went to KB's door? Or could one of the camera times be off by a few minutes?

Or perhaps I have my directions confused?
At 13:24 PF is at KB's door.
At 13:25 PF's truck drives past the furniture store going North on N. Fairview St.
A map for reference: Google Maps

 

[MassGuy]

Thanks MassGuy. So does this indicate PF may have had an accomplice? Did someone bring him his truck while he went to KB's door? Or could one of the camera times be off by a few minutes?

Or perhaps I have my directions confused?
At 13:24 PF is at KB's door.
At 13:25 PF's truck drives past the furniture store going North on N. Fairview St.
A map for reference: Google Maps

There’s got to be a mistake in there somewhere.

The affidavit was the result of the warrants, so that’s the most important thing.

 

[Seattle1]

Awesome!!

Ok, trying to piece things together.

So sometime between 12:27 when KB leaves Safeway and 12:47 PF got the baby somewhere from KB, but no image of him at her house during that time or when do the images of the three of them together fit in to this timeframe? The images that showed the flowers.

Then after Walmart at 12:54 with baby, he goes back to KB’s at 1:24.

I’m confused by the video of him at 1:25 from the furniture store as I was guessing he was at KB’s for the two hours from 1:24-3:36

He is traveling North at 1:25, is that towards KBs or away from?

And I really really want to know RS’s phone #.

"Then after Walmart at 12:54 with baby, he goes back to KB’s at 1:24."

This time is cited in the affidavit as approximately 1:24.

 

[?mysterian?]

I'm trying to figure out if the 1:24 PM is a typo. If I've got this right then PF was somehow seen on camera at KB's door one minute before his truck drives North on Fairview Street toward KB's home with "a crate" in the bed?

1:25 his truck is on video according to second to last paragraph on page 11:
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Search Warrant.pdf

I can't find the 1:24 neighbor video source (that time came from Tippy's timeline).

I don't know if it's a typo or just a couple of minutes of discrepancy between the clocks on the cameras.

 

[Seattle1]

Thanks MassGuy. So does this indicate PF may have had an accomplice? Did someone bring him his truck while he went to KB's door? Or could one of the camera times be off by a few minutes?

Or perhaps I have my directions confused?
At 13:24 PF is at KB's door.
At 13:25 PF's truck drives past the furniture store going North on N. Fairview St.
A map for reference: Google Maps

Take note the affidavit also states the times are approximate or at about...

 

[Blueberry2720]

There is definitely something amiss with 1:24 and 1:25 info. I only see 2 explanations as mentioned above - 1) mistake 2) accomplice. Any other ideas/options??

 

[Love Never Fails]

The issue with PF that's different from what we've seen with CW and others like him, is that PF will never ever ever ever admit anything. This is the kind of guy that you could catch in bed with another woman and he would deny he was having an affair and make you wonder if you're crazy.
That's hard to understand because we all are normal. If we do something wrong, or hurt someone we feel empathy for them and we want to make it right. He doesn't. For him, relationships are only fun when he's hurting someone, making them twist emotionally. We enjoy making people smile, feel good about themselves, it makes us feel warm inside when we help someone, PF doesn't. The nicer KB became, the more he hated her. The more she tried to help, the kinder she was to him, the more she tried to understand him at the expense of her own needs, the more he despised her and the crueler he became. He didn't just want to kill her, he wanted to ruin her, which is why he told the horrid stories about her. He's enjoying hearing people say those nasty things about KB over and over, it makes him happy. And even though KK will tell everyone what happened, he will always deny it because he knows, deep down inside, there are people who will always question the truth if he denies it.

This is it. I knew a PF once upon a time. I knew his mother also. Everything he did was for his benefit, his use. He lied better than anyone I have ever known. It was frightening then but when I look back at how many people he duped, it is more frightening now. His mother approved of anything he did and encouraged him. He even bragged about how he could lie and how he could kill if he needed to. Thinking of this case makes me wonder if he ever did. Anyway, Mom24, you have it perfectly right. Being cruel to others is what pleases him most.

I don’t know that person anymore. I pray I never meet anyone like him.

 

[margarita25]

The issue with PF that's different from what we've seen with CW and others like him, is that PF will never ever ever ever admit anything. This is the kind of guy that you could catch in bed with another woman and he would deny he was having an affair and make you wonder if you're crazy.
That's hard to understand because we all are normal. If we do something wrong, or hurt someone we feel empathy for them and we want to make it right. He doesn't. For him, relationships are only fun when he's hurting someone, making them twist emotionally. We enjoy making people smile, feel good about themselves, it makes us feel warm inside when we help someone, PF doesn't. The nicer KB became, the more he hated her. The more she tried to help, the kinder she was to him, the more she tried to understand him at the expense of her own needs, the more he despised her and the crueler he became. He didn't just want to kill her, he wanted to ruin her, which is why he told the horrid stories about her. He's enjoying hearing people say those nasty things about KB over and over, it makes him happy. And even though KK will tell everyone what happened, he will always deny it because he knows, deep down inside, there are people who will always question the truth if he denies it.

From above:

“The issue with PF that's different from what we've seen with CW and others like him, is that PF will never ever ever ever admit anything. This is the kind of guy that you could catch in bed with another woman and he would deny he was having an affair and make you wonder if you're crazy.”

My thoughts are a little different here because imo I think CW DID in fact do this to Shanann (made her wonder if she was crazy), moo. I’m also not certain that he did ever really admit the affair to her, he might have, he might not have, moo, but I do believe it must have driven Shanann crazy the way he distanced himself and did not admit an affair despite how hard she tried to reach out (basing this on the their text messages as well as her communication with her friends).

I also think CW did want to ruin her and attempted to do so by blaming the murders on her initially.

 

[GordianKnot]

I am actually hoping that RS will hear more evidence, place it all together, and realize PF is a psychopath and then begin a search of his own to find KBs body. He might remember all the places PF visited on his property. He may end up being another person who was duped by PF and go to LE himself. I certainly hope so. Some of those people must have a conscience.

BBM:

It would sure be nice to think so, wouldn't it?

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be much evidence to support that any of them do have a conscience. We can certainly hope that RS either magically grows one overnight or, alternately, that DA May makes it abundantly clear to RS that he is going to be well and truly frazeed if he doesn't cough up every scrap of info he knows about KB's murder.

Based on the pc hearing evidence and warrants, it sure looks like RS knows more than he's let on to LE. Like Ma F., he's not in the clear by a long shot.

One thing I'll give PF: he appears to have chosen his friends well.
Like him, they all appear to be untroubled by little things like violent murder.
You know what they say: Birds of a bloody feather, etc., etc.

JMO.

 

[acutename]

Yes, also iirc it was that morning early she went and got him meds for some fake illness. Something stinks about that as well.

just because, I would like to know if he ever had any stomach symptoms or took any meds for his stomach any other time.

 

[acutename]

Yeah, also after PF had KB out at some remote cow pasture 'til all hours of the morning, then sent her to town to get him some stomach medicine and bring it back to him at the Franchette.

She's fatigued, yet he's got her out there until just before dawn after she probably worked all day?

How thoughtful and considerate of him! He's such a great guy!

and she is taking care of the baby and has her period... she should be on the couch with her feet up, while he does something for her, IMO, but nooooo.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Thanks MassGuy. So does this indicate PF may have had an accomplice? Did someone bring him his truck while he went to KB's door? Or could one of the camera times be off by a few minutes?

Or perhaps I have my directions confused?
At 13:24 PF is at KB's door.
At 13:25 PF's truck drives past the furniture store going North on N. Fairview St.
A map for reference: Google Maps

I would not be the least surprised if he had an accomplice. He sure has a lot of sycophants,as does KK.
MOO

 

[ab01]

I would not be the least surprised if he had an accomplice. He sure has a lot of sycophants,as does KK.
MOO

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if more people were actively involved in the coverup.

However these tiny variations in times are not an indication of that

 

[margarita25]

Do we know if CBI Agents Tammy or Coder have directly interviewed PF or KK, and/or were other agents assigned? Just curious. Not sure if this is their case or not but I would think with their recent success with interviewing CW that they may have been called in? Thoughts? I wonder how many of these types of agents CBI actually has and how assignments are specifically determined/allocated. I’m assuming current case load would be a factor.

 

[mustloveco]

The issue is, PF TRIED to slam KB via his comments to others (CC, and who knows who else) that KB was in rehab twice, that she had an alcohol problem, and that she was fired from her job. Rehab, to most people, signifies drugs or alcohol, not depression help.

PF's intent, was to paint a picture that KB was a problem...she "disappeared", she drank too much, and implied that she lost her job as a result. Sociopath/narcs do this in order to make themselves look like the "good" one and their SO look like the "bad" one.

Since CC once owned a bar in Cripple Creek, I wonder more about his and PF's drinking habits that I do KB's.

For a variety of reasons, I believe KB was, as CC said in the Dateline interview, a good girl. I bet she rarely, if ever drank, was a solid employee and mother. And I bet PF wanted something different.

PF is the evil one. KK probably is too.

...thats what i said in my original post. Isnt it crazy all the mental harm PF caused to all of these women. I guess I wrongly used the word "rehab" and it all got skewed. I guess I should have said 'treatment center' for whatever she was trying to heal within herself.

 

[Trocroc9]

Thank you! That really puts things in perspective.
It doesn't leave very much time for the "baby exchange."
It must have been really quick, between 12:38 and 12:44. Then he returned at 1:24?
But it doesn't say the baby was captured on the surveillance camera at the house, just PF. It still doesn't make sense to me. Imo

I agree. I can’t find it stated anywhere that the baby was on tape with PF upon his return and entrance back into the condo. They just say someone that looks like PF arrives back at her condo at 1:24. Maybe the baby was there but since she is not the focus they just don’t say she was there?? KK said she was in there but she’s only going by what he told her. I know he’s a monster but if PF cares so much for Baby K and did all of this to get custody of her then how would he be able to do this with her there? Has any great sleuther on here found info as to if baby was seen back on tape at his second arrival to condo on 11/22 ? Thanks in advance.