CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[Julia966]

I am not the type to knock appearance ever but I throw that a bit out the window on occasion when someone is involved with murder, clean-up, etc. and could have saved a life instead of helping plot their murder.

My mama who was a white as white blonde as a little girl always told me there is no such thing as a true blonde past the age of like 18 or so unless bleach is involved. To me, it does not matter what photos are shown of KK, nowadays or back when, she looks dated. The first pics I saw of her I thought of the 70s and blue eyeshadow and thin eyebrows and yet I know she is not that old. The more current pictures yes she went in before court to have her hair done, some highlights, still bleached, very unnatural to me and possibly extensions.

KB was the beauty inside and out from what I can see. Most women can tell she got her hair done professionally as well but it is natural looking and flat out gorgeous.

But some types like to keep their little respectable good girl (per CC) woman at home while cheating with a ribald bleach blonde dated cowgirl.

I await being attacked for saying this. And I mean no offense to any blonde. I myself have lightened far past what my natural color is. The offense is meant at this poor excuse for a woman, KK.

I hate to contradict your mama, but I am waaaaaay over 18 (heck, both my daughters are over 18), have blond hair and always have. I also have some white hair and a little gray hair, but still lots of blond

KK is pretty average looking, but it's of no relevance to me at all, or the crimes she's committed. IMO.

 

[mrstfs]

This is going to hold up really well during the trial, imo

What do you mean? (I feel like DST is affecting my brain today.)

 

[ilovechili]

lol Every small town has that "girl", heck, even the big cities do, but in the big city she can hide it easier!

So very true

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I posted before, I actually think KK's account of finding out PF had a child has the ring of truth. She claims she found out and took baby clothes for gifts on her next visit. I think that was a slightly catty way of bringing up the subject. "Hey, you didn't tell me you had a little girl! (big fake smiles) So cool! I brought a couple gifts for her! Tell me all about her and btw, who's the baby mama?", all while she's seething inside because he's obviously lied and cheated, but she can't help herself, she still wants him.

Not surprisingly, KK says PF was angry and wouldn't talk about it (when she first confronted him with the information). That said, the cat was out of the bag, so to speak, and he probably picked up on a whiff of jealousy that he could possibly exploit.

I don't think he ever intended for KK to be anything but a long-distance and rodeo booty call. I can't help but wonder how they parted when they were younger? Did he break her heart? Clearly they didn't break up because she couldn't handle the 'cowboy lifestyle'.

Ironic her being upset with his infidelity to her, the whole time she was cheating on,and lying to her hubby.
I believe she was seething with jealousy over KB. KB ruined everything for her. Her dream of being PF's one,and only shot down in flames.
I believe 100% this was mutually planned. Each one having their own reason for wanting KB gone.
In the end it was her who manipulated PF into getting the actual blood on his hands.
MOO

 

[skycountry]

What do you mean? (I feel like DST is affecting my brain today.)

First hand accounts from witnesses, and DHS will have opened a case, so there will be a case number.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I had to skip a couple threads because I was out of town, and would never catch up. Can someone point me to where I can find who RS is? I've seen them referenced a couple times. Does anyone know the thread and post where I can start to learn about them?

Owns the place where KB body was put on hay pile, the one who picked up package at KB,told PF to staysin thettruck so he wouldnt be seenson neighbors camera. The one who went to the bank with bank with PF.

 

[lindaromas]

Weren't those calls towards the end of his time in the condo?


I don't doubt that for a minute. I do wonder what exactly he was doing for two hours with Baby K there. Baby K must have needed a diaper change during that time or a cuddle if she got upset from the unfamiliar noises. I could be wrong, but I envision him attacking KB almost immediately. Then no phone calls (that we know of, anyway), just him and Baby K inside the condo with KB's body for a couple hours.

For some reason, I wouldn't be surprised if he searched KB's things.

You can wash and dry clothes in a 2 hour time period.

 

[ajaylee]

You can wash and dry clothes in a 2 hour time period.

OK, I did forget about that.

 

[lindaromas]

OK, I did forget about that.

And go through a lot of baby wipes trying to clean up, How the heck, I just can't understand how someone could do this.

 

[Mimi in London]

RSBM

One thing I have wondered about is her story about the key on the gate. So she is trying to tell me that after driving all those miles to go clean up a horrific crime scene where she would have no idea what to prepare herself for that she is not going to meet up with PF to talk about it first and expects me to believe she just picks up a key and goes over to KBs house to dive in?
I dont think so IMO.
Maybe picking up a key but I think she would want to have a little personal face to face discussion with PF before going to KBs house.
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I agree she’d have wanted face-to-face time with him. But I also believe she was addicted to his hot-and-cold personality, and if he was in ‘punish her’ mode, she’d have complied without too much fuss.

She believed her reward was that he would be all hers. Oops.

IMO

 

[lindaromas]

Someone mentioned a while back that the tote could have already been in KB's home, after thinking about that, am I remembering correctly that KKL had to pick up scattered toys? My grands have toy bins here with me and several have cracks in them where they have leaned on them, this could be a very good possibility.

 

[SandyQLS]

I believe I read some where that the reason KK was not on video was because the information on the video had not been saved or it was only saved for so long, so that is why it did not allegedly show KK there on the 24th. I can't find where I read that so just consider this JMO as I cannot back it up with a link. But I do remember reading it somewhere because I remember thinking how convenient - it showed PF on the 22th supposedly but nothing of KK 2 days later on the 24th.....

SW111 bottom of page 11 to top of page 12.

Dec 7 - Cpl Currin spoke to the homeowner at 251 E Lake Ave. (That's the unit across from KB's door, at lower elevation and offset, 251 door also on side.) Neighbor has the free Arlo 7-day system. Cpl Currin states there was no video before 11/29. He reviewed her video, saw the package delivery 12/1 at 1520, and the elderly man (now we know it was RS) on 12/3 at 0801.

This statement in the SW begs the question where did they get the images of PF on 11/22:

- PF at KB' door with KB, baby & flowers approximately 1PM
- PF entering 1:24 per AA (1:36 per Prelim testimony)
- PF at KB residence 3:36

A poster, I don't remember who, tried to suggest another camera may exist across the alley or across the street.

 

[ajaylee]

And go through a lot of baby wipes trying to clean up, How the heck, I just can't understand how someone could do this.

But left bloody footprints? If I was going to do any cleanup, I'd clean the floor first so I didn't continue tracking the mess around.

Then again, no one has accused PF of being particularly smart. Cunning and manipulative, but not downright smart.

 

[AnnaGrace]

I'm confused now about something. Did PF go to Thanksgiving dinner at SF's with the tote with Kelsey in it? Or did he take it to Nash Ranch and then go to dinner?
Also, I asked some time ago, does anybody know who owns Nash Ranch? I've never seen that discussed. I think it's important to know why PF was comfortable taking and leaving the tote there.

 

[ilovechili]

SW111 bottom of page 11 to top of page 12.

Dec 7 - Cpl Currin spoke to the homeowner at 251 E Lake Ave. (That's the unit across from KB's door, at lower elevation and offset, 251 door also on side.) Neighbor has the free Arlo 7-day system. Cpl Currin states there was no video before 11/29. He reviewed her video, saw the package delivery 12/1 at 1520, and the elderly man (now we know it was RS) on 12/3 at 0801.

This statement in the SW begs the question where did they get the images of PF on 11/22:

- PF at KB' door with KB, baby & flowers approximately 1PM
- PF entering 1:24 per AA (1:36 per Prelim testimony)
- PF at KB residence 3:36

A poster, I don't remember who, tried to suggest another camera may exist across the alley or across the street.

I personally think there is more than one camera in play here. Just speculation but we have a picture with a plant and a baby carrier and PF and KB. Some say KK was not caught because of her height, yet KB was who was no taller... I tend to think the prosecution does not have everything we would dream of but I think they do have far more than we know...

 

[v0x]

Where is the talk about a “third woman” stemming from?

Patrick Freeze picks up supplies before Kelsey Berreth was bmurdered, was speaking to third woman | Daily Mail Online

Is there a phone number not belonging to any of those named in the warrant documents?

 

[ajaylee]

I'm confused now about something. Did PF go to Thanksgiving dinner at SF's with the tote with Kelsey in it? Or did he take it to Nash Ranch and then go to dinner?
Also, I asked some time ago, does anybody know who owns Nash Ranch? I've never seen that discussed. I think it's important to know why PF was comfortable taking and leaving the tote there.

This is one of the most confusing of many confusing things. We really need testimony from SF and SF2 about who was at the ranchette and when on Thanksgiving.

We also seem to know next to nothing at this point about what PF was up to on the 23rd, before KK got there. IIRC, he visited RS (or his cellphone did) on the 23rd.

Both RS and the Nash Ranch barn where KB was allegedly stored are apparently in cellphone 'dead zones' and I expect the defense to point that out at trial.

I don't know who owns Nash Ranch, but PF had keys to the barn.

 

[ilovechili]

Where is the talk about a “third woman” stemming from?

Patrick Freeze picks up supplies before Kelsey Berreth was bmurdered, was speaking to third woman | Daily Mail Online

Is there a phone number not belonging to any of those named in the warrant documents?

SR. Debateable whether a stolen phone, borrowed phone, former number, etc. Yet it came back to the very same area KK was in at the gorge. PF tried to call KB's number if I have it right (and KK had had the phone) and moments later he was called by this SR number just a few miles away from where KK was by pings.

 

[ilovechili]

SR. Not sure of spelling. Debateable whether a stolen phone, borrowed phone, former number, etc. Yet it came back to the very same area KK was in at the gorge. PF tried to call KB's number if I have it right (and KK had had the phone) and moments later he was called by this SR number just a few miles away from where KK was by pings.

Or we have yet another player in the game...

 

[ajaylee]

Where is the talk about a “third woman” stemming from?

Patrick Freeze picks up supplies before Kelsey Berreth was bmurdered, was speaking to third woman | Daily Mail Online

Is there a phone number not belonging to any of those named in the warrant documents?

I haven't got time to look for it now, but yes, there is mention of PF communicating with an Idaho number that was NOT KK's number. When LE tracked it down, it belonged to another woman who I have not seen mentioned again anywhere.