CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[lindaromas]

Since there was so much splatter I’m hoping they used ventilation cameras to see in all the air ducts. I know when I have my ducts cleaned they use cameras and let me watch. Pretty neat!

 

[Rockymtnmermaid]

I hate to contradict your mama, but I am waaaaaay over 18 (heck, both my daughters are over 18), have blond hair and always have. I also have some white hair and a little gray hair, but still lots of blond

KK is pretty average looking, but it's of no relevance to me at all, or the crimes she's committed. IMO.

Same here! Some highlights here and there every 4-6 months (to cover the whites) but overall blonde as can be. I used to be called ToeHead as a child and now that I work in Home Health, one of my elderly patients calls me Miss Scandinavian every morning when she greets me. There IS such a thing as natural blonds over the age of 18 but probably just not very many of us!

 

[Irmese]

I think after he beat KB to death he realized it was way bloodier than he imagined. If he believed what he told KK, that there wouldn't be much blood, I think he believed she'd be killed with one blow but that didn't happen. He had a big mess. He might have tried to wrap her head in plastic to reduce the mess, but he would have gotten bloody if he handled or moved the body in any way. There had to be a pretty large pool of blood if there were bloody footprints everywhere. The bath mat may have had bloody footprints, too. The blood would have probably congealed over the next two days, so I think the blood all over the bathroom happened while the blood was still thin and got splashed about, but it could have been somewhat diluted from clean-up by KK. He may have tried to clean it up, carrying rags or towels (or the sweater) soaked with blood to the bathroom. He realized he couldn't clean it up and told KK to get down to WP to clean it up. As a nurse, I think she might have been better trained to destroy blood evidence than the average person. For one thing, she knew that blood that is unseen is still there, so just wiping up the area won't be enough. Not only did LE miss the blood, but Luminol didn't detect it, so it had to be very dilute for that to happen. I think she scraped up what she could, rinsed where it was, then used Oxi-clean or peroxide, then rinsed again, using clean towels or something for every step. She probably dried the towels and put them away, too. Of course, she threw away things, too. Also, he might have been naked or wearing only underwear either when he killed KB and/or when cleaning up. ETA MOO.

 

[Irmese]

That may explain why they just burned the whole tote with her body in it, instead of removing her body and taking it somewhere else or burning it seperately.
Maybe that's why KK refused to take the body with her, if there really was a strong odor. Depending on the temperature and humidity, it can take two days before it really starts to smell. That putrid odor from the bacteria usually sets in during the second stage of composition, I believe, after the internal organs have started to go bad . Imo

I wonder if PF turned the temp down to help keep it from decomposing as fast.

 

[raja]

DBM

 

[ilovechili]

What is significant about this information and how does it relate to how and when kB was murdered?

Krystal on the drive home does not relate to the case on KB?

The search warrants provided this information and name, it was not found by MSM. MSM may have put their own take on it but it came from the search warrants--which relate to the murder and the case if I am not mistaken? It also is not explained in the search warrants what more that means other than it stating SR lived in that very area, etc. So any of it is nothing but one's own opinion or interpretation of what is in the legal document/that sw. Including yours and including mine.

imo.

Moving on--Have a great day

 

[ilovechili]

Good morning folks, a chilly, frosty 30degrees here in Ohio. I saw that CO may have some blizzard like conditions today.

I’m on my way to a couple of appointments today and don’t have time to link but somewhere in the court documents or somewhere I read the mystery lady lives near Malaga <spellcheck > Gorge maybe someone else can link to this?

Apologize if already provided, I am just now catching up but here you go:

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...erest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Search Warrant.pdf

Lots of interesting info but this particular part about the gorge and the woman's home starts at about page 21.

 

[ab01]

Krystal on the drive home does not relate to the case on KB?

The search warrants provided this information and name, it was not found by MSM. MSM may have put their own take on it but it came from the search warrants--which relate to the murder and the case if I am not mistaken? It also is not explained in the search warrants what more that means other than it stating SR lived in that very area, etc. So any of it is nothing but one's own opinion or interpretation of what is in the legal document/that sw. Including yours and including mine.

imo.

Moving on--Have a great day

I agree

Kk used many phones

Kk lives near twin falls Idaho

LE was able to track kk locations and use of various phones

Thanks for helping me understand

You have a great day as well

 

[ilovechili]

Just in looking for something new, I have not thought this out yet but the search warrant is full of jeans and gray shirts taken. In the Walmart video he is clearly in a white T-shirt.

Now I would think they would want the clothing he wore during the murder but I don't think most of us feel he killed her prior to the Wal-Mart trip...

At first I was thinking they had video of him in a gray shirt and jeans like when he, KB and the baby were seen outside but if so, that would be before any blood or murder most likely.

I suspect they want the gray shirts as they are looking for blood stains or evidence.

So that leaves me wondering when and where he was seen in a gray shirt.

Like I said, I have not thought this out...

It also did not appear they were looking for the white T-shirt. Not sure how they would know what he wore during the murder or that the white one may not be relevant as well...

Was he perhaps seen with a gray shirt when he left, there was another shot of him at 3:30 something or thereabouts... Yet again, not sure what that would tell them necessarily.

Just thinking out loud. Very unthought out thoughts

ETA fix typos

 

[GordianKnot]

I wonder if PF turned the temp down to help keep it from decomposing as fast.

I'd say the odds of PF having the foresight to do that are precisely 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,032.

Which is to say, he's much too stupid to think of things like that.

There's no way he adjusted the thermostat.

Dude used Wet Wipes to try to clean up a blood-soaked crime scene.

'Nuf said.

JMO.

*ETA the 32 at the end of my odds calculations. Because I wanted to be precise.

 

[GordianKnot]

Just in looking for something new, I have not thought this out yet but the search warrant is full of jeans and gray shirts taken. In the Walmart video he is clearly in a white T-shirt.

Now I would think they would want the clothing he wore during the murder but I don't think most of us feel he killed her prior to the Wal-Mart trip...

At first I was thinking they had video of him in a gray shirt and jeans like when he, KB and the baby were seen outside but if so, that would be before any blood or murder most likely.

I suspect they want the gray shirts as they are looking for blood stains or evidence.

So that leaves me wondering when and where he was seen in a gray shirt.

Like I said, I have not thought this out...

It also did not appear they were looking for the white T-shirt. Not sure how they would know what he wore during the murder or that the white one may not be relevant as well...

Was he perhaps seen with a gray shirt when he left, there was another shot of him at 3:30 something or thereabouts... Yet again, not sure what that would tell them necessarily.

Just thinking out loud. Very unthought out thoughts

ETA fix typos

ilc, PF may have been caught on camera somewhere in a gray shirt and/or KK may have reported to LE that he was wearing a gray shirt during the clean up of the crime scene, the removal of KB's body and/or the disposal of her remains.

Part of KK's deal would certainly entail her providing detailed info re: a physical description of what PF was wearing during all of their activities r/t KB's murder. KK may have said she remembered him "wearing a gray shirt" but been conveniently unable to recall any specifics about the shirt, i.e., logo, etc.

That would certainly not surprise me.

JMO.

 

[Noharg]

I'd say the odds of PF having the foresight to do that are precisely 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

Which is to say, he's much too stupid to think of things like that.

There's no way he adjusted the thermostat.

Dude used Wet Wipes to try to clean up a blood-soaked crime scene.

'Nuf said.

JMO.

Exactly. He obviously thought electronic data tracking was limited to who contacted whom. Neither he nor KK seem aware of the capability of LE tracking pings.
JMO

ETA of

 

[ilovechili]

ilc, PF may have been caught on camera somewhere in a gray shirt, or KK may have reported to LE that he was wearing a gray shirt during some aspect(s) of the crime, be it the murder itself, the clean up of the crime scene and/or the disposal of KB's remains.

Part of KK's deal would certainly entail her providing detailed info re: a physical description of what PF was wearing during all of their activities r/t KB's murder. KK may have said she remembered him "wearing a gray shirt" but been conveniently unable to recall any specifics about the shirt, i.e., logo, etc.

That would certainly not surprise me.

JMO.

Yes except she allegedly was not there for the murder.

I agree though, it could be any of those things.

Just seems though they would take any white one as well. Maybe they never found a white one...

Maybe it has to do with when he got the tote and burned the body? Possible too I guess...

Just thoughts...

 

[Irmese]

I'd say the odds of PF having the foresight to do that are precisely 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

Which is to say, he's much too stupid to think of things like that.

There's no way he adjusted the thermostat.

Dude used Wet Wipes to try to clean up a blood-soaked crime scene.

'Nuf said.

JMO.

Yes, but he's just smart enough to do a few things - he managed to hide the deed for a long segment of time where no one was looking for KB. He has disposed of her body in such a way that it is hard to find. Of course, he is stupid, not understanding how cell phone towers could track his movements and tons of other mistakes. His biggest mistake was killing KB, but the second biggest was involving KK in the crime, who then blabbed to her friend. IMO, anything that involves technology PF is dumb. We will see.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Attachment A page 11 first paragraph of Search warrant.
Slagles version. What a bunch lies. "Kelsey did this herself" "Kelsey was about to lose her job" "Kelsey was not in clinic for depression".
This is the guy who's haystack Kelsey's body in the tote was put on, the same guy who picked up package,and told PF to stay in the truck so he wouldn't be seen on neighbors camera.
Hmmmmmmm how could PF drive, send messages,and make calls from his to Kelsey's phone by himself? Without crashing. HMMMMMMMMMMM
So Sketchy.

 

[GordianKnot]

Yes, but he's just smart enough to do a few things - he managed to hide the deed for a long segment of time where no one was looking for KB. He has disposed of her body in such a way that it is hard to find. Of course, he is stupid, not understanding how cell phone towers could track his movements and tons of other mistakes. His biggest mistake was killing KB, but the second biggest was involving KK in the crime, who then blabbed to her friend. IMO, anything that involves technology PF is dumb. We will see.

Exactly. Technology is clearly PF's nemesis.
A thermostat involves technology.
Especially those new-fangled wireless smart WiFi thingy ones!!!
I'm quite sure this would prove to be well beyond the scope of PF's limited understanding.

I feel like I've just been overly generous by describing PF as having "limited understanding."
Apologies everyone.
I'll rephrase:

PF's total moronicity precludes him being able to understand any electronic and/or digital devices whatsoever. There! That sounds much better.

Put a rasp or a bat in the man's hand, though, and he knows how to use those.
Because in addition to being an imbecile, he's an evil monster.

JMO.

 

[ilovechili]

Attachment A page 11 first paragraph of Search warrant.
Slagles version. What a bunch lies. "Kelsey did this herself" "Kelsey was about to lose her job" "Kelsey was not in clinic for depression".
This is the guy who's haystack Kelsey's body in the tote was put on, the same guy who picked up package,and told PF to stay in the truck so he wouldn't be seen on neighbors camera.
Hmmmmmmm how could PF drive, send messages,and make calls from his to Kelsey's phone by himself? Without crashing. HMMMMMMMMMMM
So Sketchy.

Question for RS: If Kelsey did this to herself, did KB hand PF her phone and ask him to send fake texts to her?

Question for RS: How are you worth a bit of money? Clearly it is not from rocket science. Guessing land or farming, etc.

Question for RS: How did you get around HIPPA to find that out and know it is fact why KB was allegedly in a clinic?

Question for RS: What is your relationship to PF?

I could go on...

I hate to insult an entire area but with the players we have seen, one has to wonder what is in the water... Or the coffee...

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Question for RS: If Kelsey did this to herself, did KB hand PF her phone and ask him to send fake texts to her?

Question for RS: How are you worth a bit of money? Clearly it is not from rocket science. Guessing land or farming, etc.

Question for RS: How did you get around HIPPA to find that out and know it is fact why KB was allegedly in a clinic?

Question for RS: What is your relationship to PF?

I could go on...

I hate to insult an entire area but with the players we have seen, one has to wonder what is in the water... Or the coffee...

He also pointed his finger at KB's Ex. SMH.

 

[ilovechili]

He also pointed his finger at KB's Ex. SMH.

Yes, there is that too.

I would really like to hear him today and how he refutes some irrefutable facts. Any of them for that matter.

I suppose PF just happened to find KB's phone and decide to text himself back and forth because he was insane from missing her so much...

And I suppose he thinks KB flew off into the wild blue yonder with her ex...

I would be real curious if RS knew KK...

Crazy case.

Yet tragic and a victim and her family that did not deserve this.

 

[ab01]

Question for RS: If Kelsey did this to herself, did KB hand PF her phone and ask him to send fake texts to her?

Question for RS: How are you worth a bit of money? Clearly it is not from rocket science. Guessing land or farming, etc.

Question for RS: How did you get around HIPPA to find that out and know it is fact why KB was allegedly in a clinic?

Question for RS: What is your relationship to PF?

I could go on...

I hate to insult an entire area but with the players we have seen, one has to wonder what is in the water... Or the coffee...

I love the follow up answers by RS in the warrant

Paraphrasing only

LE why do you feel this way, care to elaborate

RS nah I’m good

In other words nah I don’t won’t to get caught in a lie I can’t latter back my way out of.