CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #49 *ARREST*

[ab01]

You are correct. That is KK's story.

The issue raised is the smell of a decomposing body, where CoD was a bloody beating, after 2 days. Putting the body in the plastic tote kept it warmer than the outdoor temp. The smell would have been horrible, strong and obvious. They put a 2-day old dead body in the open bed of a truck and drove around with it?

It's one of KK's stories that doesn't quite make good sense, yet cannot be proven or disproven.

I'm not sure anybody would have given a black tote in the back of a pickup truck traveling down a road a second thought, or would they even had a reason to at that point.

As far as a smell, I doubt anybody would have noticed that either unless they actually walked up to it. As far as we know he was traveling down the road with it in the bed of his pickup. So I doubt anybody would have been able to smell it.

MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

I was thinking he moved the body the day of the murder - put it in the tote, took it to Nash ranch and put it on the haystack, them took it down two days later when KK was there and burned. Am I wrong about that?

No, you're not wrong. I'm pretty sure it was stored at the ranch, in the barn for two days. I'm guessing it would be in the thirties at night and I think it got up to the forties on the day of the murder. Fifty at the most, from what I remember. Imo

 

[ilovechili]

Yeah, I am puzzled about what PF and KK thought would happen in the long run. It seems to me they did not think but in the short run. Murder KB, clean up and dispose, spin some tale about her visiting relatives and then what? I just don’t get how they envisioned the future.
JMO

I think it was to do with the CW case and recently (maybe on Dr. Phil?), I can't quite recall, but some expert said that people like this see everything so clearly in heir head and they have it thought out in their individual what they think is so smart brain but cannot see what other people will see in their reactions, behaviors nor even think of another person or realize others are intelligent (lol) nor beyond what is what they think is their very smart planning of the crime. I can't quite explain it right but it made sense. In essence, what it boiled down to was of course everyone will believe them after some initial questions and they never consider otherwise. In PF's case he had laid months to probably a year or more of maligning KB to people. I think he felt they would do a bit of questioning, start hearing that and voila!

It was something on that order... I personally think both PF and KK felt LE were idiots and would never look any further and if they did, that they would find nothing... Because they were just so smart... When the FBI contacted KK that had to be one moment to relish her expression and reaction... The same with PF when he realized he was truly being looked at seriously.

imo.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Yeah, I am puzzled about what PF and KK thought would happen in the long run. It seems to me they did not think but in the short run. Murder KB, clean up and dispose, spin some tale about her visiting relatives and then what? I just don’t get how they envisioned the future.
JMO

They are so enamored with themselves they think their you know what don't stink,and that everyone will believe anything they they say. After all She is " The Perfect Rodeo Queen",and He's good ol Cowboy.
MOO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

My opinion? If PF gets convicted, CC will say that he was a good 'ol boy who was led astray by two wicked out-of-town women, one who didn't like the 'lifestyle' and one who was a married cheater who would drive 800 miles to chase him down for a booty call. His only real sin was being too 'nice' to the ladies.

Right. He can spin it any twisted way he wants. He went on national TV. His own words slandering Kelsey.
Can't put that cat back in the bag.

 

[Julia966]

Yeah, I am puzzled about what PF and KK thought would happen in the long run. It seems to me they did not think but in the short run. Murder KB, clean up and dispose, spin some tale about her visiting relatives and then what? I just don’t get how they envisioned the future.
JMO

PF would have taken the baby back to his mother's and raised her (or the mother would), KK would have pestered PF for a while, thinking they had a relationship, and either eventually give up or maybe the situation would go Fatal Attraction ("I will not be ignored, Patrick!"). Hard to say!

 

[ab01]

I wonder why if KK was the one that was so hell bent on murdering KB, why would she then go and tell people when PF had tried to solicit her way back in like October?

Obviously she continued to go along with it, but I am not sure that it was her idea.

PF was the one who reached out to her, at least according to her friends.

Which makes it all that more puzzling to me that she did in fact go along with it to some extent, even knowing that she had already implicated herself to others.

MOO

 

[ilovechili]

PF would have taken the baby back to his mother's and raised her (or the mother would), KK would have pestered PF for a while, thinking they had a relationship, and either eventually give up or maybe the situation would go Fatal Attraction ("I will not be ignored, Patrick!"). Hard to say!

She would not dare talk to him that way, oh my, because she was scared of him remember? lol not.

I would not have wanted to see either KK nor PF around that child. I can't include the mother in this but I would not rest assumed there but on the part of PF and KK: They have no regard for human life--no baby should be near them. Ever. Anyone's child, and even their own.

jmo.

ETA: I meant *assured* not *assumed*

 

[lindaromas]

Good morning folks, a chilly, frosty 30degrees here in Ohio. I saw that CO may have some blizzard like conditions today.

I’m on my way to a couple of appointments today and don’t have time to link but somewhere in the court documents or somewhere I read the mystery lady lives near Malaga <spellcheck > Gorge maybe someone else can link to this?

MALAD Gorge State Park

Page 22 gives detailed info that PF had records of calling SR frequently
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...erest/2018CR330/002/18-111 Search Warrant.pdf

Thank you ILC!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

New thought by my friend, who I told about the 5 teeth:
What, if PF has taken K's teeth for his safety, in case KKL would snitch on him (right wording?)?? Because he got arrested early on and KKL only after his arrest told their collective murder "story" , he couldn't use his "evidence" against KKL and wasn't able to threw the 5 teeth secretly into KKL's car/home/bag.

 

[ajaylee]

I wonder why if KK was the one that was so hell bent on murdering KB, why would she then go and tell people when PF had tried to solicit her way back in like October?

Obviously she continued to go along with it, but I am not sure that it was her idea.

PF was the one who reached out to her, at least according to her friends.

Which makes it all that more puzzling to me that she did in fact go along with it to some extent, even knowing that she had already implicated herself to others.

MOO

I think the moment she confided in her friend was a pivotal moment. I think she'd started developing tunnel vision: the world shrank to PF, herself and KB. I think if you had suddenly asked her "where do you see yourself and PF in five years?", you would have gotten a blank look. She wasn't thinking that far ahead, or she would have realized there was no way she and PF were ever likely to be together. He was never going to leave the ranchette and she wasn't likely to be able to take her kids to join him there.

What saddens me is that her friend behaved the way she did. If someone I knew came to me with a story like this and I realized she was not talking hypotheticals, she was talking about real solicitations to commit murder, I would have lost it. I would have called her crazy and told her that if she didn't immediately notify LE in my presence, I'd notify them myself. I would have left her with no doubt in her mind that she had lost her mind.

The fact that the friend seems to have taken it all so passively probably only encouraged KK to go ahead.

 

[lindaromas]

I was thinking he moved the body the day of the murder - put it in the tote, took it to Nash ranch and put it on the haystack, them took it down two days later when KK was there and burned. Am I wrong about that?

That’s how I understood it too

 

[ilovechili]

I wonder why if KK was the one that was so hell bent on murdering KB, why would she then go and tell people when PF had tried to solicit her way back in like October?

Obviously she continued to go along with it, but I am not sure that it was her idea.

PF was the one who reached out to her, at least according to her friends.

Which makes it all that more puzzling to me that she did in fact go along with it to some extent, even knowing that she had already implicated herself to others.

MOO

Whether one or both, she clearly had oodles of opportunities to stop this. I doubt we will ever know all of it.

With regard to KK though, she would have known she told some friends this, she may have worried about cameras in the attempts she was in Colorado (coffee, rod, bat), receipts, Sonic employees, her aunt (who knows), cameras in KB's townhome area/parking lot and so she came clean in what she had to on her part in her deal. People say LE/FBI would not have shown their entire hand to her or evidence so she admitted those things where she could not be sure.

To me they look like total co-conspirators. Cohorts. In collusion. In cahoots. Whether she was there or not, who knows... I personally judge her no less if she was not present. She did not remove herself either before the murder nor after, she lied to LE and she did nothing to save KB. Over and over and over. The attorneys even said to her friend to have her come in and talk to them. She was also advised to go to LE.

Her alligator tears at her own hearing for her own arse just sent me over the top. Do you think she has spent a single moment or night bawling her head off realizing an innocent young mother was killed? No, only for her part in it and being caught.

I guess we do not have him talking and she is the one whose words we are able to pick apart, just as with CC or RS.

They are both scum. I am trying to think of words I can use... But only worse ones come to mind...

It is just my opinion but people are always going to doubt known liars and question when known liars are involved.

Nothing I have said here takes away from what I think of him. He apparently had KB's trust. Scuzzball.

This is entirely jmo, not speaking for any others.

 

[Irmese]

You are correct. That is KK's story.

The issue raised is the smell of a decomposing body, where CoD was a bloody beating, after 2 days. Putting the body in the plastic tote kept it warmer than the outdoor temp. The smell would have been horrible, strong and obvious. They put a 2-day old dead body in the open bed of a truck and drove around with it?

It's one of KK's stories that doesn't quite make good sense, yet cannot be proven or disproven.

Ok. But I doubt if it was all that smelly yet. He likely hauled it the first night and it was cool out. High temps for the 22 to the 24 were 57, 50 and 56. Lows were 21, 33 and 44. The body would have cooled more quickly at 21 and might have been partially frozen. Unless the tote was sitting in the sun during the day, I don't think it would have gotten all that hot. If it was out of the sun and the body was cold, the hay would insulate the bottom of it and keep it at a similar temp. It was likely cooler under the shed out of the sun. It was probably starting to smell by the 24th, but it wouldn't be like it would if it was summer time with temps at 80 and above. Now, if the body wasn't in the tote and it was just garbage and bloody things from the cleanup, then maybe there wasn't much odor at all yet. MOO.

 

[Kapua]

If they thought about it at all, my guess is that they figured the phone data would only show that they were in contact with each other and that she came to CO a couple of times. Which is all it does show, and if KK had kept her mouth shut, I don't know that LE would know what to make of it. They might have suspicions, but I don't believe there is any evidence besides KK's testimony about what actually happened. There's surveillance footage that shows PF was lying/wrong about his whereabouts at certain times, but that's still not enough to convict.

How about this? Baby K is with KB ~12:00 PM-ish, and caught on Safeway's surveillance cameras. PF caught on camera with KB and Baby K at KB's condo on 11/22. Baby K is with PF late afternoon 11/22 and KB is never heard from again, no activity on cards, both cars still at her residence, purse and keys missing, and KB's phone and PF's phone both pinging off the same cell towers as if they are traveling together toward Florissant on the afternoon of 11/22? You don't think that's evidence enough to convict? Because to me, it paints a very clear picture. MOO

 

[ajaylee]

It's hard to believe that things didn't smell pretty bad when the tote was being burned. Maybe the smell of burning plastic masked the smell of the body burning. Never experienced it, never want to, but I've read that the smell of a burning body is unmistakable - but the accounts have always been about a just-killed person, not a days old corpse.

 

[Irmese]

I wonder why if KK was the one that was so hell bent on murdering KB, why would she then go and tell people when PF had tried to solicit her way back in like October?

Obviously she continued to go along with it, but I am not sure that it was her idea.

PF was the one who reached out to her, at least according to her friends.

Which makes it all that more puzzling to me that she did in fact go along with it to some extent, even knowing that she had already implicated herself to others.

MOO

ITA. I think he was the instigator and she would have been fine with it if he'd done it without her involvement. I think he used her "love" for him to manipulate her.

 

[ab01]

How about this? Baby K is with KB ~12:00 PM-ish, and caught on Safeway's surveillance cameras. PF caught on camera with KB and Baby K at KB's condo on 11/22. Baby K is with PF late afternoon 11/22 and KB is never heard from again, no activity on cards, both cars still at her residence purse and keys missing, and KB's phone and PF's phone both pinging off the same cell towers as if they are traveling together toward Florissant on the afternoon of 11/22? You don't think that's evidence enough to convict? Because to me, it paints a very clear picture. MOO

I agree I think the actual act of KBs murder is pretty straight forward. It shouldn't take a group of rocket science jurors to be able to connect those dots....

 

[Irmese]

This is what I think was going on with this botched up mess: PF tells KK all his bad stories of KK, he says the only way he'll ever be free of her is for her to die. He and KK come up with different scenarios. PF figures out that if he can get KK to do it, he will have killed two birds with one stone (or bat). KB will be dead and KK will go to prison. Maybe he was already telling some friends about the crazy Rodeo Queen who was obsessed with him (I'd love for CC to say THAT). KK wants to do it for PF, but she chickens out or the plans don't work. On TG, PF saw his chance and took it, but they didn't really have a plan and started improvising. ETA MOO.

 

[Irmese]

It's hard to believe that things didn't smell pretty bad when the tote was being burned. Maybe the smell of burning plastic masked the smell of the body burning. Never experienced it, never want to, but I've read that the smell of a burning body is unmistakable - but the accounts have always been about a just-killed person, not a days old corpse.

Oh, yes, that would be stinking, I'm sure.