CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #50 *ARREST*

[NanZDrew]

According to the Affidavit, it was just an over-the-counter antacid. Imo

With it being early Thanksgiving morning, many convenience stores that would normally be open may be closed. Also pepcid and similiar ulcer medications are OTC but they do not immediately relieve the acid reflux. I am unfortunate enough to have to deal with this problem.

 

[MemPat]

I think whatever it was she was after was something more substantial than what she could get at a gas station. The question is, did he really need that medicine, or did he have an ulterior motive for sending her? Not clear yet.

I'm going with ulterior motive for a thousand, Alex!

Edited to honor Jeopardy.

 

[GordianKnot]

That’s absolutely true, and PF doing that, wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

I’m not sure that happened here though, or if it did, to what extent that was the case.

We know that Kelsey was quiet and reserved, and the fact that she was so far from home (Washington), and lived alone, means that he may not have had to isolate her.

Circumstances, and Kelsey’s personality, may have done that work for him.

BBM:
I agree with this assessment.

I think KB's personality was such that she didn't need or likely seek out a high level of social interactions, at least in terms of large groups of people, the party scene, etc.

She has consistently been described as being reserved and quiet.
Introverts tend to go for quality over quantity when it comes to relationships.
She was likely content with having a few close friends, and her loving family.

Unfortunately, she got zero quality whatsoever from PF, and zero "relationship," for that matter, owing primarily to the fact that PF is incapable of reciprocating any actual human emotion, least of all, love.

KB deserved none of what she got, and got none of what she deserved, from that evil creep.

I can't say it enough here: I hope DA Dan goes for the DP. Stick a needle in his arm.

JMO.

 

[NanZDrew]

The other thing PF would have eliminated with the burning was the smell. He could have then held onto the remains for a bit before disposal.

Also, he could have damaged he DNA making it more difficult to identify the bones as KB's bones.

 

[Seattle1]

Yes they were listening and there are no mentions of SF being advised by her attorney to plead the 5th simply because she was afraid of implicating herself about a law you stated in your quote below. Which is why some of us were puzzled and asked for clarification and an actual link. Thank you for responding that you were just speculating with a JMO, as I read your post as if you were stating a fact.

Let's be clear here. SF came to court under a subpoena. It's was also very clear prosecution tried to call SF as it's first witness in the preliminary hearing -- without any preface whatsoever, as some have alleged.

SF's attorney cited her 5th amendment right not to testify, judge removed her from courtroom, and hearing continued without delay.

Only later, after lunch, and off the record discussion, did Judge Sells inform the court that he was upholding his decision to free SF of her subpoena-- which meant she did not have to testify at PF's preliminary hearing because Judge believed others could provide similar information about "when PF arrived for dinner on Thanksgiving, the well being of baby K, and a steel rod that may have been recovered." ... and the "burning incident."

How this translated to the DA being labeled "unethical" is seriously wrong. MOO

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth

Tuesday’s court appearance is a preliminary hearing, which means the prosecution will attempt to show the judge that there is enough evidence for the case to go to trial.

The prosecution tried to call Patrick Frazee's mother Sheila Frazee as its first witness, however, her attorney argued that she should not be compelled to testify, citing her Fifth Amendment rights. [bbm]

The judge ruled in favor of Sheila Frazee and she will not testify at this point, though he has asked that she leave the courtroom.
[...]
1:30 p.m -- COURT IS BACK IN SESSION AFTER LUNCH

Teller County Judge Scott Sells is upholding his decision to release Patrick Frazee’s mother from her subpoena, which means she will not have to testify against her son at his preliminary hearing.

Sells said prosecutors had wanted Sheila Frazee to testify about when her son arrived at Thanksgiving dinner the day Berreth disappeared, the well being of his child, and a steel rod that may have been recovered.

She was also expected to testify about what was referred to as a “burning incident” at Frazee’s home, according to Sells.

Sells said a preliminary hearing is not a time for this testimony, and that other witnesses can provide further similar information.

 

[MemPat]

And my concern, is where all of this is heading.

First the DA behaves in a way that is “unethical.”

Then people start saying that poor PF’s rights are being violated.

Then, an innocent man is on trial for murder.

Then, PF is “railroaded.”

Then, an innocent man is convicted for a murder that KK committed (despite no evidence for this claim).

A narrative based on zero facts, is inherently a work of fiction.

PF is solely responsible for the situation he is in.

But for the invention of them new-fangled cell phones this cowboy might have roamed free.

A Western work of fiction with a new-technology twist.

 

[CDB]

The death penalty being a reality in Colorado or not, I have to think being sentenced to it, would add a mental aspect to the punishment. I would think it is in ones mind with every initial thought that extends beyond the autonomic ones. It would have to be logically reasoned out, by then associating the fact Colorado has not executed for so long. That requires consideration of the potential penalty in the least.

Small punishment in the large picture, but I for one would like to add every possible punishment we can in this scenario.

 

[acutename]

I'm going with ulterior motive for a thousand, Alex!

Edited to honor Jeopardy.

if PF really has stomach issues, chances are he has them in custody as well though with HIPPA, we may not know what his medical conditions, if any, are

 

[k-mac]

It seems unusual to me, also. During calving, some ranchers might go out off and on to check for calving problems at night, but 99% of ranchers aren't calving around Thanksgiving. I don't know if PF had started winter feeding yet, but that only takes generally less than an hour to roll out a bale or two of hay. If there was a well problem, that might take a while. I don't think we know when the trip to the cattle started, but with the two not getting along and this was the last day of the flight instructor's life, it seems unusual, maybe some sort of premeditated psychological calculated calm before the storm. ( More pulling the wool "sweater" over her eyes.)

'the flight instructor' has a name .

her name is Kelsey. aka KB.

 

[susiQ]

BBM:


You've more than made up for lost time, so it's okay that you showed up fashionably late.
Nobody scorches PF's frazeed hide quite so effectively as you!


JMO.

RSABBM
I think it's a tie between MG and you!! Just sayin'

 

[nwmouse]

Let's be clear here. SF came to court under a subpoena. It's was also very clear prosecution tried to call SF as it's first witness in the preliminary hearing -- without any preface whatsoever, as some have alleged.

SF's attorney cited her 5th amendment right not to testify, judge removed her from courtroom, and hearing continued without delay.

Only later, after lunch, and off the record discussion, did Judge Sells inform the court that he was upholding his decision to free SF of her subpoena-- which meant she did not have to testify at PF's preliminary hearing because Judge believed others could provide similar information about "when PF arrived for dinner on Thanksgiving, the well being of baby K, and a steel rod that may have been recovered." ... and the "burning incident."

How this translated to the DA being labeled "unethical" is seriously wrong. MOO

Courtroom updates: Preliminary hearing for Patrick Frazee, who is accused of killing Kelsey Berreth

Tuesday’s court appearance is a preliminary hearing, which means the prosecution will attempt to show the judge that there is enough evidence for the case to go to trial.

The prosecution tried to call Patrick Frazee's mother Sheila Frazee as its first witness, however, her attorney argued that she should not be compelled to testify, citing her Fifth Amendment rights. [bbm]

The judge ruled in favor of Sheila Frazee and she will not testify at this point, though he has asked that she leave the courtroom.
[...]
1:30 p.m -- COURT IS BACK IN SESSION AFTER LUNCH

Teller County Judge Scott Sells is upholding his decision to release Patrick Frazee’s mother from her subpoena, which means she will not have to testify against her son at his preliminary hearing.

Sells said prosecutors had wanted Sheila Frazee to testify about when her son arrived at Thanksgiving dinner the day Berreth disappeared, the well being of his child, and a steel rod that may have been recovered.

She was also expected to testify about what was referred to as a “burning incident” at Frazee’s home, according to Sells.

Sells said a preliminary hearing is not a time for this testimony, and that other witnesses can provide further similar information.

BBM

Oh absolutely, ITA with you!

Most here were puzzled about how someone could misinterpret the hearing and call the DA "unethical" because he asked SF about a fire that allegedly burned a corpse on her Franchette.

I don't think many thought that SF pleaded the 5th about a minor civil "burning open rubbish law" in CO when there's a homicide being investigated. After all, her son has been arrested for murder, lives on her property, and was witnessed by KK burning the corpse of KB in a black tote. That might justify her invoking the 5th.

IMHOO.

 

[GordianKnot]

RSABBM
I think it's a tie between MG and you!! Just sayin'

WOW! Thanks for that compliment, susiQ!

Any time I can play MG to a draw, I consider it a huge victory.

 

[SandyQLS]

Yep I think the stakes are a bit higher than just an open burn law. I think SF was more concerned with not implicating her son further. And or implicating herself in a murder and or abuse of a corpse. Don’t you worry ole SF will have her time to stand over a proverbial open fire with DA May throwing the fuel on it. And that time will be at trial moo

Where is the local fire department? With the high danger of wildfire in the area, everyone would always be on alert. The smell of brush fire is distinct, so it seem people would notice the smell of smoke and if PF used local materials from the ranchette they would be alarmed by that odor. They would also note the orange glow of the fire. I wonder what the fire protection resources are like there, city, state, etc.

 

[nwmouse]

And my concern, is where all of this is heading.

First the DA behaves in a way that is “unethical.”

Then people start saying that poor PF’s rights are being violated.

Then, an innocent man is on trial for murder.

Then, PF is “railroaded.”

Then, an innocent man is convicted for a murder that KK committed (despite no evidence for this claim).

A narrative based on zero facts, is inherently a work of fiction.

PF is solely responsible for the situation he is in.

Or possibly poor PF being coerced! As some say Chris Watts was...

Edited to add Chris Watts (IMHOO) due to similarities in the case of PF and CW.

moo

 

[MassGuy]

Where is the local fire department? With the high danger of wildfire in the area, everyone would always be on alert. The smell of brush fire is distinct, so it seem people would notice the smell of smoke and if PF used local materials from the ranchette they would be alarmed by that odor. They would also note the orange glow of the fire. I wonder what the fire protection resources are like there, city, state, etc.

The house is on 35 acres, in a sparsely populated area.

There’s no guarantee anyone would smell anything, much less call the fire department.

Plastic was found, which corroborated KK’s account of a fire, in addition to other tell-tale signs.

 

[ab01]

Where is the local fire department? With the high danger of wildfire in the area, everyone would always be on alert. The smell of brush fire is distinct, so it seem people would notice the smell of smoke and if PF used local materials from the ranchette they would be alarmed by that odor. They would also note the orange glow of the fire. I wonder what the fire protection resources are like there, city, state, etc.

DBM @MassGuy already covered it

ETA: Many places have open burn laws, but many ranchers and farmers tend to ignore it. Additionally many neighbors tend to look the other way (in my area anyways).....MOO

 

[gitana1]

Well that would be unethical and an abuse of process. But I don't think he was trying to do that. I think he was trying to do what SF's attorney believed, which was essentially take her deposition.

Hmm. I don't know. I mean lawyers use civil litigation strategically to get evidence for criminal cases, on behalf of their clients. So why not the reverse?

As long as there is an otherwise conceivably legitimate purpose for the strategy, (like laying foundation for something, getting in timeline evidence) it's tactic and I don't think necessarily unethical. You know what I mean?

 

[Kapua]

But for the invention of them new-fangled cell phones this cowboy might have roamed free.

A Western work of fiction with a new-technology twist.

Instead, he's headin' for his last roundup.

 

[MemPat]

I'm not a great defender of carrying out the death penalty but I do like the sound of "Death Row" being PF's address and would also have liked it for Chris Watts (Don't get me started on him!).

With a little creativity I believe we could come up with something worse than death:

I'd be all over a category of "No further human contact" where these creeps never see the light of day and have no TV or reading material, eat only dry food and the ultimate to me - no bed pillow!

A plethora of life's little miseries could be thrown in - bedbugs, Babywipes instead of showers (special for PF), one linen dress like the New Zealand terrorist wore to court, flip-flops that are too small, etc.

Oh, one more....no, two - complete darkness and complete silence.

These criminals have made me mean.

A chute could deliver the daily quota of dry, tasteless food.

The toilet would only flush once automatically each day.

I'm getting meaner.

 

[GordianKnot]

A chute could deliver the daily quota of dry, tasteless food.

The toilet would only flush once automatically each day.

I'm getting meaner.

Keep going....don't stop now....you were saying something about dry dog food?