CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #51 *ARREST*

[travelbug]

Gitana, I agree with you about the money and child support.

I don't think PF thinks about money a lot as he hasn't ever received a paycheck or had bills to pay because the assets all belong to Mama.

When I let myself go down a "Made for TV-Movie" route, I do imagine a mother and son concocting a plan to lure a woman to town for the purpose of making an heir.....and keeping it.

I'm not accusing, not sleuthing...just imagining.

I've been having visions of that same movie since the footage of the arrest...

 

[travelbug]

Well we do know he tried to get various individuals to along with his ridiculous 'KILL KB for hire' plot, because he's a cowardly arse-wipe.

His hitmen for hire attempts all failed pathetically which probably enraged him even more.

He wasn't deterred and decided to enthusiastically pursue his fantasy of killing KB and being the "poor, hard-done-by cowboy deddeh", he threw logic to the wind and enlisted rodeo girl KK who'd been around the ring a few times, to carry out his plan.

Fail, on both ends.

I can only wonder what went through PF's tiny mind when he realized that KK had turned and spilled the cowpies. He must have been livid! I don't think for a second that KB ever though KK and her love of Sonic treats would betray him. I wish I'd been a fly on the jail wall. Maybe not...

moo

Thank you for making me LOL while reading about this disgusting pair!

 

[Spyderlady]

Ref: The discussion about something is missing when it comes to motive.
All the theories I've read here are possible, but I keep wondering if PF wanted custody and he ALSO wanted to be with KK, but she said no chance as long as KB is in the picture. And I keep going back to the words he said to KK, “You’ve got a mess to clean up.” That could possibly mean she encouraged him to get rid of KB and the clean-up was her part of the bargain. Something made him feel comfortable that he could trust KK and maybe had an expectation of them being together. All this is totally JMO, MOO, etc.

 

[GordianKnot]

Sounds like she was totally blindsided.

Indeed.

KB was blindsided both literally AND figuratively.

She didn't see any of this coming...least of all, the baseball bat.

I hope DA May uses that exact phraseology in his case summation to the jury.

The imagery of a blindfolded KB won't be lost on anyone in that courtroom.

JMO.

 

[Nudgee]

Indeed.

KB was blindsided both literally AND figuratively.

She didn't see any of this coming...least of all, the baseball bat.

I hope DA May uses that exact phraseology in his case summation to the jury.

The imagery of a blindfolded KB won't be lost on anyone in that courtroom.

JMO.

I so agree with this

Indeed.

KB was blindsided both literally AND figuratively.

She didn't see any of this coming...least of all, the baseball bat.

I hope DA May uses that exact phraseology in his case summation to the jury.

The imagery of a blindfolded KB won't be lost on anyone in that courtroom.

JMO.

“KB was blindsided both literally AND figuratively” as per @GordianKnot ...

Such truth in those words!

 

[1mtroyal]

BBMFF:

I'm in complete agreement with this.

I will be absolutely, positively shocked if DA May's presentation/explanation of PF's motive for murdering KB does not include a financial component.

PF didn't want to "share" his money any more than he wanted to "share" custody.

Financial/Monetary factors + Custodial/Control issues = Motive.
That's the formula that makes the most sense to me.
I really don't think that's going to be a hard sell to a jury.

JMO.

What was PF's motive for harming the dog in front of KB after a poor performance at the roping event? No real motive here, he just wanted the dog to feel worse than he felt, which is a shame. I guess the reason was that he feels better when he inflicts pain on others, mentally and physically.

 

[Kapua]

This is certainly an odd one.

We see men do this sort of thing, while they are in the midst of a divorce.

No divorce here, because there was never a marriage.

No custody fight, as these two apparently had a viable arrangement.

Despite what PF claimed, it appears that these two were still an item (in Kelsey’s eyes), atleast up until he killed her.

So while I do think that custody was a motive, all the usual things that lead up to a crime like this, simply aren’t there.

“Something’s missing here,” alright.

Then again, you could say the same about PF.

I think the "something missing" could be that KB was possibly considering options that would reduce her exhaustion with her daily routine of long commute and having SF/PF watch little K during her work days. She may have discussed options with a therapist when she was in the treatment center, and timewise, that coincides with PF's solicitations of KK. I think she may have been considering moving to Pueblo and finding a day care center close to her workplace. The ranchette is in the opposite direction of Doss Aviation in Pueblo, which means that either SF or PF must have picked up/dropped off K every day that KB worked. SF and PF on the other hand, may have wanted KB to leave K at the ranchette during the week for their convenience. MOO

 

[Irmese]

Cases like this (where someone tries to get someone else do the dirty work) always make me think of Cinnamon Brown. It reminds me that people can be manipulated. That doesn't mean they aren't guilty, though.

 

[ajaylee]

Re: why PF acted when he did.

PF mentioned 'Eric', someone KB knew. He also mentioned KB having dinner with someone in Pueblo and hinted that it might have been more than a casual dinner. Odd, coming from a guy who allegedly had broken up with his fiancee a year before.

KB was on PF's phone plan, meaning he had access to her phone records. I suspect he monitored her calls regularly and I think he thought there was a possibility she was seeing someone else, even just as a friend.

I think the one thing that would have maddened PF even more than not having control over Baby K would have been not having control over KB. He didn't want her, but he didn't want her finding happiness with someone else, either.

IMHO. (I witnessed a huge, multi-year falling out between two family members. In the end, it was caused by one family member monitoring another's call records and making mistaken assumptions about what she thought was secretly going on. That's what made me suspect PF was similarly monitoring KB's phone calls).

 

[Ccging]

Agree. Seems strange to me PF would care that much about custody — he doesn’t strike me as a loving, nurturing father. Or loving, nurturing anything. I’m sure he didn’t want to give KB another penny but wonder if MaMa F was holding a potential inheritance or permanant meal ticket out to him as long as he had custody. There had to be something else in it for him beyond being able to raise his daughter full time. IMO

Wonder if there was any tie to PF’s father’s estate? Maybe his dad left money to the baby and not to PF? Money that PF would have some control of if KB was gone?

 

[gngr~snap]

What was PF's motive for harming the dog in front of KB after a poor performance at the roping event? No real motive here, he just wanted the dog to feel worse than he felt, which is a shame. I guess the reason was that he feels better when he inflicts pain on others, mentally and physically.

Typical bully behavior.
Hit a dog, slam a fridge, yell out for no reason, throw stuff.
Intimidation, stay on your toes, be prepared at any moment. Walk on eggshells to keep it cool.
Moo

 

[NanZDrew]

Motive can be tricky. It isn't an element necessary to prove to convict of murder (or really any crime). But as you point out, a jury wants to know. Usually its not a problem. But if a motive isn't clear, and the prosecution puts forth a motive theory, and then the defense blows that up, shows how that couldn't be true, the jury can get a feeling that the prosecution is way off base. I am guessing that in this case, the prosecution actually has a solid motive, we just haven't heard it.

Usually when there is a motive given, none of us understand it, because it is usually not a valid reason in the mind of the average person to justify cold-bloodied murder.

 

[NanZDrew]

Wonder if there was any tie to PF’s father’s estate? Maybe his dad left money to the baby and not to PF? Money that PF would have some control of if KB was gone?

Many keep mentioning PF's father's estate, but I don't get the feel that he had been involved in his family's life for a long time. He lived in another city, and I doubt he even knew about the baby. If things were really bitter through the divorce and custody, he may have gone out of his way to see that his descendants would not inherit a penny of what he had left.

 

[MassGuy]

Cases like this (where someone tries to get someone else do the dirty work) always make me think of Cinnamon Brown. It reminds me that people can be manipulated. That doesn't mean they aren't guilty, though.

The difference here, is that Cinnamon Brown was 14, and the solicitor was her father.

It’s a hell of a lot easier to manipulate someone like that, as opposed to a grown adult.

KK was older, not connected via blood, and had her own motives here, ones that aren’t exactly clear.

PF may have manipulated her, but she had to have had an interest in seeing Kelsey dead as well.

She’s just lucky that she held all the cards.

 

[MassGuy]

I think the "something missing" could be that KB was possibly considering options that would reduce her exhaustion with her daily routine of long commute and having SF/PF watch little K during her work days. She may have discussed options with a therapist when she was in the treatment center, and timewise, that coincides with PF's solicitations of KK. I think she may have been considering moving to Pueblo and finding a day care center close to her workplace. The ranchette is in the opposite direction of Doss Aviation in Pueblo, which means that either SF or PF must have picked up/dropped off K every day that KB worked. SF and PF on the other hand, may have wanted KB to leave K at the ranchette during the week for their convenience. MOO

Yeah, I definitely think that KB wanting a change in regards to her living arrangements, is a possibility as to motive.

Something spurred him to decide to kill Kelsey, and whatever it was, appears to have occurred in August.

That’s as good a reason as any.

For this evil moron anyway.

 

[Sanz]

Indeed.

KB was blindsided both literally AND figuratively.

She didn't see any of this coming...least of all, the baseball bat.

I hope DA May uses that exact phraseology in his case summation to the jury.

The imagery of a blindfolded KB won't be lost on anyone in that courtroom.

JMO.

I’d have to trust someone with my whole mind and soul to set in a chair blindfolded. I hated pin the tail on the donkey.

I’ve considered the purpose of blindfolds used in different executions. And then PF’s choice of using a sweater to cover and blindfold KB’s eyes.

Then, thinking a bit deeper since he is/was a horse kind of guy, and Blindfolds can be used to help a horse stay calm and focused.

If she were blindfolded with her sweater, sitting in her living room, calmly smelling candle scents, and listening to her baby chattering in the background. He would have free swing of the bat with no resistance.

My son was a pitcher for the Texas Rangers. The sound of the contact between the bat and the ball makes me ill each time I think of this being the method of her death.

 

[Stunned]

I’d have to trust someone with my whole mind and soul to set in a chair blindfolded. I hated pin the tail on the donkey.

I’ve considered the purpose of blindfolds used in different executions. And then PF’s choice of using a sweater to cover and blindfold KB’s eyes.

Then, thinking a bit deeper since he is/was a horse kind of guy, and Blindfolds can be used to help a horse stay calm and focused.

If she were blindfolded with her sweater, sitting in her living room, calmly smelling candle scents, and listening to her baby chattering in the background. He would have free swing of the bat with no resistance.

My son was a pitcher for the Texas Rangers. The sound of the contact between the bat and the ball makes me ill each time I think of this being the method of her death.

Couldn’t agree more! I would not put on a blindfold for anyone!

 

[Irmese]

The difference here, is that Cinnamon Brown was 14, and the solicitor was her father.

It’s a hell of a lot easier to manipulate someone like that, as opposed to a grown adult.

KK was older, not connected via blood, and had her own motives here, ones that aren’t exactly clear.

PF may have manipulated her, but she had to have had an interest in seeing Kelsey dead as well.

She’s just lucky that she held all the cards.

True, but he was manipulating all three of the females living with him. Cinnamon held all the cards, too, but didn't play them until she finally understood what he had done. KK has played her cards. I don't think she's like Cinnamon Brown, but I think PF is like DB, who manipulated his own daughter to kill someone she actually liked if not loved. Now PF's defense will have their turn.

 

[Hatch]

Cases like this (where someone tries to get someone else do the dirty work) always make me think of Cinnamon Brown. It reminds me that people can be manipulated. That doesn't mean they aren't guilty, though.

Thank You! PF did the same thing to KK and others as David Brown did to his daughter Cinnamon, I had not thought of that family in a long time. It is different but the same In a lot of ways.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

You know, I sit here and read most nights...just being quiet, because this is a tough case for me in a lot of ways. But my primary thought has been for someone so um...special...PF surely could complicate the contents of a ping pong ball! There seems to be so much more extra work involved here than needed to be done and it just feels to me like he complicated it all more than he needed to.
I wonder if it's because we just know a smidgen of the story. Or if it's all the half truths creating the holes. Or in not knowing half of what the evidence is. Or if it's because we have huge cast of characters.
After spending time in Jackson Hole last fall, I keep wondering why he didnt just cut to the chase after killing KB and pitch her off a mountain side, with her phone, her purse, the keys and whatever else he needed to pitch. Maybe I just don't get all the daggone drama involved in this crime.
IMHO, MOO, MOO, MOO