CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

[susiQ]

When I had my wisdom teeth out as a teenager, I asked the doctor if I could keep them (thanks to being high as a kite haha)!! It became a running joke and I never threw them out. Someday someone is going to find those teeth in a drawer or box. Hopefully not during a murder investigation!

"thanks to being high as a kite" is why finding them made ME smile. It was a humorous recollection of that day and the chipmunk cheeks that followed

 

[steeltowngirl]

Let's not minimize the value of venting a spleen every now and then.

To quote one of my favorite philosophers:

"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door." ~ Jack Handey

While it's true that the petitioners can't literally march in and/or slam doors on their way out, they can do it figuratively by signing the online form. Or something like that, anyway.

JMO.

I’m going to hang that quote in my office. Love it

 

[nwmouse]

Now I'm wondering about proper etiquette here.
Is it wrong that I "liked" this post????????

Nah. No such thing as "proper" etiquette!

The sincere truth will do!!!!!

Venting the spleen is prolly painful, but worse is methylated spirits (Bloutrein) that Grandpa had in ZA (old South Africa) with a piece of branch between the fangs.
AAARGH!!

 

[crhedBngr]

I am still not over LE finding adult molars. So if not KBs, then whose are they? I doubt Ma Frazee kept adult molars around. So either they are KBs or PF collected them from others. Always sounded to me like items a serial killer might collect. And if so, LE may not have a DNA match for them or care to pursue it. So why did PF tell a former girlfriend (not KK) that he knew where to hide bodies so that no one could find them? Doesn’t that pique anyone’s interest?

It sure as hell piques my interest!

 

[crhedBngr]

I have teeth in my home (adult molars with gold) from deceased older family members. They were passed down to me. People do that. Really. The only difference is that I keep them in one place. I am going to get rid of them because y'all think I am weird for having them.

@Kapua : I don't think you are weird for keeping these molars. DH and I both queried our dentist about the value of gold-filled molars. Her response was they weren't worth that much--and I don't have a link proving this. I'll try and find one.

ETA: I stand corrected. According to the below-linked article, some "dental scrap" can be valuable.

What is Dental Scrap?
Dental scrap includes any type of material with a value higher than the cost of processing and recycling it into something new.

https://www.crownbuyers.com/blog/much-money-dental-scrap-worth/

And, another link with interesting information on this subject.

Selling dental gold- How much value/worth can gold crowns have?

 

[MemPat]

I think you just killed me.

"When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, ummmm, boy." (more Jack Handey) Thanks for reminding me of him, GK!

 

[Hatch]

So if the teeth conviscated in the SW are not relevant to KB murder we will never hear about them again. <modsnip: unsubstantiated>, so it is not really all that weird, I think because teeth were found in SF home we think it is weird because of her ties to PF accused of killing KB. As a young girl my favorite canine passed away , a few weeks later my Dad handed me a couple teeth he had drilled and fixed for my charm bracelet. It happens; people save teeth, I would venture to say 97% of those are NOT connected to a murder victim.
IMO we were taken back when KK said she received a tooth from a floor vent, took what PF did to a level none of us ever expected to go.
That's my two wisdom teeth worth.

 

[gitana1]

In Gypsy culture teeth are bad luck. Dreams of teeth are not good.

My mom, who is not Gypsy, would collect our baby teeth. It freaked my Dad out!

I can get saving baby teeth. And maybe if there was something remarkable or noteworthy about an adult tooth. But otherwise, why do people collect or keep adult teeth?

And in this case, how many are we talking about? I mean if it's one, well not too odd. But a bunch? It starts getting pretty creepy.

These aren't bear or shark teeth. They're human.

 

[gitana1]

So if the teeth conviscated in the SW are not relevant to KB murder we will never hear about them again. <modsnip: unsubstantiated> so it is not really all that weird, I think because teeth were found in SF home we think it is weird because of her ties to PF accused of killing KB. As a young girl my favorite canine passed away , a few weeks later my Dad handed me a couple teeth he had drilled and fixed for my charm bracelet. It happens; people save teeth, I would venture to say 97% of those are NOT connected to a murder victim.
IMO we were taken back when KK said she received a tooth from a floor vent, took what PF did to a level none of us ever expected to go.
That's my two wisdom teeth worth.

<modsnip: quoted post was modsnipped>

I don't think it's typical for people to save adult, human teeth. Locks of hair, that I get.

 

[gngr~snap]

When I had my wisdom teeth out as a teenager, I asked the doctor if I could keep them (thanks to being high as a kite haha)!! It became a running joke and I never threw them out. Someday someone is going to find those teeth in a drawer or box. Hopefully not during a murder investigation!

Just label them! Lol. I think forensics can tell if the teeth were surgically removed or not.
Don't they have to split up wisdom teeth to remove them?
Maybe it's just the ones that are impacted!
*I had no wisdom teeth. My mouth was too small for them to form in my jaws.
I also had to have 4 permanent teeth removed before braces.
I have my kids teeth, baby and wisdom.
Ok. Back on topic.
Why?
Why even mention the tooth with "the root" if it was disposed of???
It's pointless.
Unless she knew PF had kept a few of KB's molars that he knocked out with the bat.
There is something hinky with these "teeth" IMO.
I just don't believe he couldn't retrieve a tooth, yet he could lead KK to it and she got it so easily.
IMO- it didn't happen.
Moo

 

[gngr~snap]

The Frazee's aren't plains Indians, though, wearing their enemies' teeth. And these aren't animal teeth, right?

I don't think it's typical for people to save adult, human teeth. Locks of hair, that I get.

I'm going to say they are PF's teeth.
Weren't they found in envelopes?
That's how I got mine when I had all 24 pulled at the same time.
- had to be done...it was a horrific experience!
Moo

 

[MassGuy]

I'm going to say they are PF's teeth.
Weren't they found in envelopes?
That's how I got mine when I had all 24 pulled at the same time.
- had to be done...it was a horrific experience!
Moo

That sounds like the definition of horrific, necessary or not.

Yeah, they found “four teeth in a small envelope,” and a fifth tooth held separately.

Those teeth in the envelope sound like a tooth extraction, one done by a dentist, and not some guy with a baseball bat.

It’s that fifth tooth that has the most chance of being related, but even that I think is pretty slim.

 

[gngr~snap]

That sounds like the definition of horrific, necessary or not.

Yeah, they found “four teeth in a small envelope,” and a fifth tooth held separately.

Those teeth in the envelope sound like a tooth extraction, one done by a dentist, and not some guy with a baseball bat.

It’s that fifth tooth that has the most chance of being related, but even that I think is pretty slim.

I agree.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Why even mention the tooth with "the root" if it was disposed of???

Just my opinion, but I think prosecution wanted every horrific, disgusting detail from KK. There is likely some embellishment by her, too.

The vision of the moments of the murder itself will be very compelling to the jurors. Like someone else here said, Dan May in the front of a courtroom recreating the swings of the bat, teeth flying.

The gory details will likely distract them from examining KK’s credibility and her own shady motivations too closely. The jury will be as gobsmacked as we all were after hearing it.

 

[allboys]

Seriously, did KB really leave his stomach medicine at the gate? I hadn't seen that but I did miss a couple of threads around that time.

WTH kind of man has his gf baby momma with the baby, drive all the way to get his medicine and drive it back to him and leave it at the gate like a servant???? Gawd, this for some reason has just sent me over the edge! What an egomaniac, selfish, narcissistic a hole to have her out so late on TG eve with their little baby.

Poor KB, did she not see the real PF or was she hoping and wishing that things would work out because of baby K? I think she may have been determined to make it work because she had moved away from family, found her 'dream' job, and had a beautiful baby daughter. She seems like the type of person who would have given a relationship 150% and unfortunately PF took all 150% and gave 0% in return IMO.

I really wonder if we will ever find out what the “purpose” was of KB’s overnight cow tending (w/baby!) and medicine fetching. Because I truly believe there was an ulterior motive here, but I’m not at all sure what it was.

One thing it doesn’t show is a “fiancée” who will suddenly want to go separate ways and cut off contact. She stayed up until the wee hours helping PF. WITH baby in tow. This action of KB’s does not align with PF’s “story” of explanation for KB’s alleged final texts. Obviously it’s well known by now that those texts were not sent by KB...but I guess my point is that PF didn’t seem too concerned with crafting an overall believable story. But I guess that’s no surprise.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I really wonder if we will ever find out what the “purpose” was of KB’s overnight cow tending (w/baby!) and medicine fetching. Because I truly believe there was an ulterior motive here, but I’m not at all sure what it was.

One thing it doesn’t show is a “fiancée” who will suddenly want to go separate ways and cut off contact. She stayed up until the wee hours helping PF. WITH baby in tow. This action of KB’s does not align with PF’s “story” of explanation for KB’s alleged final texts. Obviously it’s well known by now that those texts were not sent by KB...but I guess my point is that PF didn’t seem too concerned with crafting an overall believable story. But I guess that’s no surprise.

As to the timeline, I am so thankful that she spoke to her mother twice that day so we know what happened the night before, and what her plans were for the day to put a marker on the timeline.

If she had not spoken to her mother TWICE that morning, it might be much more confusing to all of us. And we know the baby was with her overnight that night because she had to change the diaper.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I really wonder if we will ever find out what the “purpose” was of KB’s overnight cow tending (w/baby!) and medicine fetching. Because I truly believe there was an ulterior motive here, but I’m not at all sure what it was.

One thing it doesn’t show is a “fiancée” who will suddenly want to go separate ways and cut off contact. She stayed up until the wee hours helping PF. WITH baby in tow. This action of KB’s does not align with PF’s “story” of explanation for KB’s alleged final texts. Obviously it’s well known by now that those texts were not sent by KB...but I guess my point is that PF didn’t seem too concerned with crafting an overall believable story. But I guess that’s no surprise.

I agree with you that the night before actions were suspicious. I don't think we'll ever know the entire truth of what exactly happened and why other than PF and KK are without a conscience and took a beautiful, innocent young woman from her precious daughter, family and loved ones far too soon.

 

[allboys]

As to the timeline, I am so thankful that she spoke to her mother twice that day so we know what happened the night before, and what her plans were for the day to put a marker on the timeline.

If she had not spoken to her mother TWICE that morning, it might be much more confusing to all of us. And we know the baby was with her overnight that night because she had to change the diaper.

Yes!! I totally agree!! I have often thought it would have been a nightmare for LE to piece the timeline together (more definitively), had Kelsey not spoken to her mother on the occasions you mentioned, and or had she not been spotted on video surveillance at Safeway.

I think many cold cases involving missing bodies, are often cold because they are lacking these phone conversations and video sightings. Thank goodness LE at least had this information to guide them.

ETA my favorite Jack Handey quote so I don’t get in trouble for making a separate OT post...

“The crows seemed to be calling his name,” thought Caw. - John Handey
Lololol

 

[Love Never Fails]

I really wonder if we will ever find out what the “purpose” was of KB’s overnight cow tending (w/baby!) and medicine fetching. Because I truly believe there was an ulterior motive here, but I’m not at all sure what it was.

One thing it doesn’t show is a “fiancée” who will suddenly want to go separate ways and cut off contact. She stayed up until the wee hours helping PF. WITH baby in tow. This action of KB’s does not align with PF’s “story” of explanation for KB’s alleged final texts. Obviously it’s well known by now that those texts were not sent by KB...but I guess my point is that PF didn’t seem too concerned with crafting an overall believable story. But I guess that’s no surprise.

Yeah the defense will have a hard time convincing a jury that KB wanted to “separate ways” or to get away and think, after hearing she spent a night helping him with his cows and going to buy medicine for him in the wee hours of the morning with her baby girl!

However, for those of us on WS, if we had to spend a few hours with PF we would surely be running for the hills. What a selfish monster he is.

ETA: I’m proud of CB and her strength. She sunk PF for sure.

 

[allboys]

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JUST IN: Woodland Park Police have concluded their search of the Midway Landfill. They did not find Kelsey Berreth’s remains. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

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