CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

[allboys]

That’s certainly surprising, not so much that they didn’t find anything (although I was optimistic), but the fact that it’s over already.

I calculated there being about a month left.

I thought the search would last longer too. The only thing I can think of is that what they were finding was not fitting with the algorithm predictions. And they had depleted too many resources already, which meant starting in a new section was not practical??

Or that subsequent intel suggested evidence wouldn’t ever be found here?? Not sure, but it’s sad to think of the family never being able to lay her remains to rest.

 

[GordianKnot]

I thought the search would last longer too. The only thing I can think of is that what they were finding was not fitting with the algorithm predictions. And they had depleted too many resources already, which meant starting in a new section was not practical??

Or that subsequent intel suggested evidence wouldn’t ever be found here?? Not sure, but it’s sad to think of the family never being able to lay her remains to rest.

BBM:

100% agree with this assessment.

JMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

This is really strange. As long as KK abides by the plea agreement, she can't face additional state charges. And we don't know if that plea agreement included federal charges as well.

I guess the people behind the petition don't understand that.
Or maybe they do, and just want their voices to be heard.
It's just a reminder that even though she may not be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder in a court of law, she will forever remain guilty in the court of public opinion.
She can never escape that.
I know some people have said she will be fine and will always have plenty of supporters, but I think this petition shows that this will not be the case.
A handful of people from her hometown do not make up the majority. Imo

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Patrick Frazee timeline | Events as outlined during preliminary hearing

 

[crhedBngr]

Sam Kraemer on Twitter

JUST IN: Woodland Park Police have concluded their search of the Midway Landfill. They did not find Kelsey Berreth’s remains. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Sam Kraemer on Twitter

Drat. So very, very sorry to see this.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

The trial is going to be epic.

I dont think I have ever anticipated an upcoming trial like I have with this one. This one is shaping up to be a trial filled with fireworks. And the highlight should be the Defense taking their turn at KK.

So many of the questionable things we have brought up here will likely be the same sort of things that the defense will bring up and question her about. To see her squirm in her seat will be a small touch of justice to help alleviate some of the pain she has caused.

She is such a volatile witness for the prosecution that I would not be surprised if the prosecution is right now thinking about ways to not have to call her to the stand.

Unless PF pleads guilty with a plea deal of his own I dont see how the prosecution can avoid calling KK to the stand. Most everyone agrees that PF will never plead guilty so it seems inevitable that we are going to eventually witness an epic trial that will surely have lots of bombshell testimony from both sides.

ETA -Its too bad we could not have Juan Martinez acting as the Prosecution attorney during the trial. During the Jodi Arias trial, Juan was good at grilling his own Prosecution witnesses just as hard as the Defense witnesses. At times you would think his own prosecution witnesses were his enemy as he raised his voice at them. LOL

My only hope is they improve their sound quality in court! I want to hear EVERY SINGLE WORD!

 

[OldLadyBlues]

This answered my question.....even if they didnt find her, perhaps they found SOME evidence. But no.....
Authorities end landfill search for Kelsey Berreth

 

[MassGuy]

This answered my question.....even if they didnt find her, perhaps they found SOME evidence. But no.....
Authorities end landfill search for Kelsey Berreth

Yup. They completely struck out.

Sad for Kelsey’s family, but they won’t need her remains for a murder conviction.

No body, no problem.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Yup. They completely struck out.

Sad for Kelsey’s family, but they won’t need her remains for a murder conviction.

No body, no problem.

I am so very disappointed. PF will now gloat and fight this to the finish. Will likely blame KK now.

I keep going back to his old gf saying he bragged about knowing where to hide a body. I believe her. She was likely never in that landfill. Probably going there was a ruse on his part. Wish someone could make him talk.

ETA: wonder if her remains are located on his friends property, the guy who was with him at the bank.

 

[susiQ]

Sam Kraemer on Twitter

JUST IN: Woodland Park Police have concluded their search of the Midway Landfill. They did not find Kelsey Berreth’s remains. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney

Sam Kraemer on Twitter

What more can I say?

 

[AnnaGrace]

This is very disappointing. I must say though, they did try and their hearts were in it. My thoughts are with Kelsey's family. One can only imagine how they must feel. I do agree with GordianKnott and allboys, that just because they didn't find anything, doesn't mean there's nothing there. Maybe in a different area. I also agree with MG that it won't make a difference to the verdict.

 

[AnnaGrace]

I edited my post, to add that I do agree with MG that this won't change the verdict. I think there's plenty of evidence.

 

[MassGuy]

I am so very disappointed. PF will now gloat and fight this to the finish. Will likely blame KK now.

I keep going back to his old gf saying he bragged about knowing where to hide a body. I believe her. She was likely never in that landfill. Probably going there was a ruse on his part. Wish someone could make him talk.

ETA: wonder if her remains are located on his friends property, the guy who was with him at the bank.

I continue to believe that her remains are there, but the book has been closed; she will never be found.

If the defense is going to be that KK did it, he’s still facing tremendous obstacles, and the lack of a body won’t help him much.

He was fighting this to the bitter end regardless, and it’s a fight he will ultimately lose.

I’m absolutely convinced of that.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I continue to believe that her remains are there, but the book has been closed; she will never be found.

If the defense is going to be that KK did it, he’s still facing tremendous obstacles, and the lack of a body won’t help him much.

He was fighting this to the bitter end regardless, and it’s a fight he will ultimately lose.

I’m absolutely convinced of that.

Oh I do agree he will lose in the end. He will first try to say KK did it, which won’t help. No matter how the defense sullies KK, and I hope they do, he is still the killer.

He will claim KB abused their daughter which is a lie. The defense may even offer that he is mentally ill. He is going to lose for sure, but not before fighting and not before dragging his friends and loved ones down with him. He cares for no one.

I agree with the person who stated this will be a trial to watch. He is beginning to remind me of Jodi Arias. And he is going to be hated.
He swung the bat that crashed her skull. The crime scene had to be gruesome. And all this with their baby girl in that small home, an 800 square feet home! You know she heard her mama scream.

Yep, I want to see his face when the jury says guilty.

 

[FunkyMonkey]

Just label them! Lol. I think forensics can tell if the teeth were surgically removed or not.
Don't they have to split up wisdom teeth to remove them?
Maybe it's just the ones that are impacted!
*I had no wisdom teeth. My mouth was too small for them to form in my jaws.
I also had to have 4 permanent teeth removed before braces.
I have my kids teeth, baby and wisdom.
Ok. Back on topic.
Why?
Why even mention the tooth with "the root" if it was disposed of???
It's pointless.
Unless she knew PF had kept a few of KB's molars that he knocked out with the bat.
There is something hinky with these "teeth" IMO.
I just don't believe he couldn't retrieve a tooth, yet he could lead KK to it and she got it so easily.
IMO- it didn't happen.
Moo

Lost track of them in a move years ago. Someone will find them. Hopefully me

 

[Hatch]

I think there had to be some outside evidence that indicated that Kelsey’s body was in that landfill.

According to KK’s account, even she wasn’t sure of what PF did with the remains.

IMO searching and investigations have been going on not only in the landfill, I just have a feeling more evidence has or will show up. It's not over til it's over.

 

[Hatch]

Thinking back on the night of the 21 st and early morning hours of the 22nd. We know PF had told friends and associates that he was broken up with KB , assuming that is what he had told Momma , was he having to sneak around with KB after daylight hours ? It would of been a hard story to sell if he was seen with her out and about, I am betting he did not stay at her condo any length of time days or weeks prior to the murder.

 

[GordianKnot]

I continue to believe that her remains are there, but the book has been closed; she will never be found.

If the defense is going to be that KK did it, he’s still facing tremendous obstacles, and the lack of a body won’t help him much.

He was fighting this to the bitter end regardless, and it’s a fight he will ultimately lose.

I’m absolutely convinced of that.

Agree with the above points.

This has been a no-body case from the beginning.
What we learned today is that it's going to remain a no-body case.

This does not and will not affect the inevitable outcome of the criminal case against PF.
The DA swiftly and confidently brought the murder charges against PF, despite the fact that KB's body had not been located at the time. The fact that DA May did so absolutely provides us with some indication of just how overwhelming the circumstantial evidence is against PF, and how compelling the prosecution case against him is, even absent a body.

That KB's remains were not located is regrettable.
That the search was unsuccessful is a sad outcome for her family.
The pain and disappointment this will cause them shouldn't be minimized.

As people of faith, hopefully her parents will find strength and consolation in the knowledge that while KB's physical remains may be buried in that landfill, her soul most assuredly is not.

All of the Above: JMO.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Yup. They completely struck out.

Sad for Kelsey’s family, but they won’t need her remains for a murder conviction.

No body, no problem.

Oh, I'm not worried about a no body murder conviction, MG. I just wished they could have at least found evidence of KB...for her family. As a mother, had this horrible, violent, selfish act happened to one of my boys and LE found even a sliver of proof that my child had lived and then died, I feel at least I would have a beginning and an end and at LEAST something to bury.
It's bad enough that her family knows how she died. But the audacity of these two animals not giving up where something of her might remain, is unforgivable...worse than the murder itself. For two animals who claim to be parents, they have no conscience, no moral value to call themselves parents. My sincerest wish for both is they never touch their children again, never hear their voices, never feel their kisses. My sincerest hope is that every legal paper available is filed to take ALL their parental rights away with "no contact" orders.
MOO, MOO

 

[Dontknow?]

If I hadn't watched or followed so many court cases I would have a more positive approach to my feelings about the end of search for KB.

The defense is going to use this information and turn it on to KK disposed of her body as reasonable doubt.

But if it leads to where any remains could possibly be, let the strongest survive. The one that doesn't, well..

Not many like either one of them as of now anyway.

I still think it happened close to what we've read. Still, it will be a brutal trial most likely, especially for KK & prosecutors. Throw it out to see if it sticks. jmo