CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #52 *ARREST*

[ajaylee]

I've got a feeling that if RS is called to testify, he may very well copy SF and just plead the 5th.

 

[Love Never Fails]

SFFBM
If in fact, it transpired as you believe with his "father figure", RS being complicit in the disposal and cover-up of KB's murder, wouldn't RS have been arrested by now?

I don’t think they could or would make an arrest based on an assumption. They have good evidence against PF. I am sure of that. He killed her. However, I think detectives have considered what RS knew and when he knew it. I do believe he is in the crosshairs right now. I doubt he was a part of any planned cover up. I do believe he loves PF as a son, like he said, and would help him out if he believed KB was as bad as PF made her out to be. And that includes disposing of her body. I doubt he even knew KK existed. I hope he has a conscience.

I will hold onto my belief until trial and we learn why he told the bank teller to forget they were there, or why he went to the door of KBs condo to retrieve the package so that the camera wouldn’t pick up PF being there. I would also want to know what all the calls were about.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I've got a feeling that if RS is called to testify, he may very well copy SF and just plead the 5th.

I hope that isn’t the case. I hope he has a conscience and will come forward, even if it is the last minute. I believe he feels very loyal to PF and doesn’t believe he is a monster. (Keep in mind his actions at the bank. That disturbs me.) But i doubt he will act like MaFrazee did and plead the 5th. He could though.

 

[Love Never Fails]

BBM:

I'll take it even further:

It's not just the petition that in practical terms is pointless.
I think the amount of focus being directed at KK, KK's actions or inactions, what KK knew and when she knew it, how evil KK is or is not vis-a-via PF, how KK is just as culpable for the murder of KB, etc., is also pointless.

Who swung the bat?

The goal is justice for KB, which in this case will be achieved in one way and one way only:
PF being convicted and punished to the max extent possible under the law for her murder.

In practical terms, it doesn't matter how people feel about KK.
Feelings aren't facts.
Fact of the matter is, KK struck a deal.
It's a done deal with the DA as far as KK is concerned.

DA May made the correct determination that PF needs to be made to pay for his vicious, violent extinguishing of KB's light. The DA paid a steep price in the form of the sweetie beauty of a deal he struck with KK, but he made that deal because he recognized that he had to make PF pay for his evil actions, no matter the cost.

We can continue to spin our wheels endlessly round and round regarding KK.
Understandably, people need a release valve at times.
Ranting and venting will likely continue until the trial and well after it's concluded, in fact.
Ranting and venting about KK, however, does not and will not advance the cause of achieving justice for KB at this point.

In fact, it may be harmful to that cause, inasmuch as it really shifts the focus and, whether intentionally or unintentionally, takes the onus of responsibility off of PF.
I'm sure PF loves all the negative attention being focused on KK.

(Who swung the bat, again?)

I ain't interested in playing "devil's advocate" in this case.
PF already has an attorney. So there's that.

PF is the one who has been charged with the murder of KB.
Oh! Which reminds me:

PF swung the bat. Repeatedly.
Knocking KB's teeth out.
Splattering KB's lifeblood everywhere.
It was a gruesome, horrific scene.
KB's suffering must have been tremendous.

PF is an evil monster.
Go get him, Dan.
You go get this monster.
Bring justice for Kelsey.

JMO.

Right now, our emotions are all over the place and while PF is the killer, there is no reason not to wish for more justice toward KK, although we all realize this is a done deal.

Yet there are others who, as far as we know, do NOT have a sweetheart deal. MaFrazee for one, his brother in LE for two and RS, his buddy who knows a lot more than LE have told the public.

Gordian, you seem so sure of Dan May, how do you know he is tough and why are you so confident in his ability? Just wondering.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don’t understand all this effort to turn KK into a killer. He’s the one charged with murder, and all indications are that she was two days late to the party.

There is a ton of evidence here, much of it clarified by KK. The lack of a body not withstanding, it’s not normal to have a case with this much evidence.

What she has already supplied, and what what she will testify to, are both incredibly important.

I’ve never heard of a case getting stronger with less evidence. Blood under the floorboards, and blood splatter on the fireplace, is important.

The corroborating physical evidence is important.

Because of her, and only because of her, we know how this all went down.

The nice thing is, we don’t have to simply take her word for it, atleast for most of it.

The cell phones do that (KK’s, PF’s, KB’s).

The corroborating physical evidence does that (blood, discoloration, accelerant, plastic balls).

PF’s own lies do that (when he last saw Kelsey, rehab, etc).

You are preaching to the choir. We are all with you. But it is very probable that KK hasn’t told all of the truth and might hurt the case. I do believe she has a murderous heart. She didn’t swing the bat, so there is that.

 

[MassGuy]

You are preaching to the choir. We are all with you. But it is very probable that KK hasn’t told all of the truth and might hurt the case. I do believe she has a murderous heart. She didn’t swing the bat, so there is that.

I’m not sure about the “murderous heart” part.

I do think that if the circumstances were right, she could have brought herself to kill Kelsey.

But the evidence is the evidence, and it says that she was nowhere near Colorado when PF beat Kelsey to death.

She’s absolutely lied about some things, especially initially. But everything she has said, everything material to this case, has been corroborated by physical evidence.

That’s what matters.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I’m not sure about the “murderous heart” part.

I do think that if the circumstances were right, she could have brought herself to kill Kelsey.

But the evidence is the evidence, and it says that she was nowhere near Colorado when PF beat Kelsey to death.

She’s absolutely lied about some things, especially initially. But everything she has said, everything material to this case, has been corroborated by physical evidence.

That’s what matters.

Yep. You are correct. Well, except for the murderous heart part.

 

[MsBetsy]

BBM:

I'll take it even further:

It's not just the petition that in practical terms is pointless.
I think the amount of focus being directed at KK, KK's actions or inactions, what KK knew and when she knew it, how evil KK is or is not vis-a-via PF, how KK is just as culpable for the murder of KB, etc., is also pointless.

Who swung the bat?

The goal is justice for KB, which in this case will be achieved in one way and one way only:
PF being convicted and punished to the max extent possible under the law for her murder.

In practical terms, it doesn't matter how people feel about KK.
Feelings aren't facts.
Fact of the matter is, KK struck a deal.
It's a done deal with the DA as far as KK is concerned.

DA May made the correct determination that PF needs to be made to pay for his vicious, violent extinguishing of KB's light. The DA paid a steep price in the form of the sweetie beauty of a deal he struck with KK, but he made that deal because he recognized that he had to make PF pay for his evil actions, no matter the cost.

We can continue to spin our wheels endlessly round and round regarding KK.
Understandably, people need a release valve at times.
Ranting and venting will likely continue until the trial and well after it's concluded, in fact.
Ranting and venting about KK, however, does not and will not advance the cause of achieving justice for KB at this point.

In fact, it may be harmful to that cause, inasmuch as it really shifts the focus and, whether intentionally or unintentionally, takes the onus of responsibility off of PF.
I'm sure PF loves all the negative attention being focused on KK.

(Who swung the bat, again?)

I ain't interested in playing "devil's advocate" in this case.
PF already has an attorney. So there's that.

PF is the one who has been charged with the murder of KB.
Oh! Which reminds me:

PF swung the bat. Repeatedly.
Knocking KB's teeth out.
Splattering KB's lifeblood everywhere.
It was a gruesome, horrific scene.
KB's suffering must have been tremendous.

PF is an evil monster.
Go get him, Dan.
You go get this monster.
Bring justice for Kelsey.

JMO.

I wonder how they would feel if KK lost her plea deal, the prosecution loses their witness, and the jury is not able to reach a decision as to either one committing the murder.

 

[GordianKnot]

Gordian, you seem so sure of Dan May, how do you know he is tough and why are you so confident in his ability? Just wondering.

RSABBM:

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Watching and listening to Dan May in this pc, I have complete confidence in his ability to successfully prosecute this case.

This DA is extremely bright.
Watching this pc, it is quite apparent that DA May is in full command of the facts of the case.
He did a great job of holding his cards close to the vest, and not giving the reporters any more information than what was discussed in court that day.
Watching the video, it's apparent that he's very adept at fielding anything that gets thrown at him. He didn't speculate or offer personal opinions. He stuck to the facts.

I noted that DA May used the word "voluminous" more than once to describe the amount of evidence that has been gathered in the case.
He has what he needs to prove PF's guilt, and he knows it.
PF has helped DA May's case immeasurably with his own moronic actions.
He's handed the DA a ton of evidence on a silver platter.
DA May realizes it, too. I'm sure he'll take full advantage of every mistake PF made.

DA May impressed me hugely here in this pc.
And I ain't easily impressed.

JMO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I wonder how they would feel if KK lost her plea deal, the prosecution loses their witness, and the jury is not able to reach a decision as to either one committing the murder.

If that happens, KK better run far and fast. I’m sure PF would be chasing her with a bat in hand.

 

[Seattle1]

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NEW TODAY: The U.S. Attorney's Office has received a petition seeking more charges in the Kelsey Berreth case. I'm sitting down with folks behind it this afternoon for a story tonight on @KOAA. #KelseyBerreth #PatrickFrazee #KrystalKenney
10:38 AM - 18 Apr 2019

Petition seeks more charges in Kelsey Berreth case

 

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Sam Kraemer interview with individuals initiating & submitting petition to hold KK and her friends accountable.

 

[Love Never Fails]

RSABBM:

Thanks for asking this, LNF!

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Watching and listening to Dan May in this pc, I have complete confidence in his ability to successfully prosecute this case.

This DA is extremely bright.
Watching this pc, it is quite apparent that DA May is in full command of the facts of the case.
He did a great job of holding his cards close to the vest, and not giving the reporters any more information than what was discussed in court that day.
Watching the video, it's apparent that he's very adept at fielding anything that gets thrown at him. He didn't speculate or offer personal opinions. He stuck to the facts.

I noted that DA May used the word "voluminous" more than once to describe the amount of evidence that has been gathered in the case.
He has what he needs to prove PF's guilt, and he knows it.
PF has helped DA May's case immeasurably with his own moronic actions.
He's handed the DA a ton of evidence on a silver platter.
DA May realizes it, too. I'm sure he'll take full advantage of every mistake PF made.

DA May impressed me hugely here in this pc.
And I ain't easily impressed.

JMO.

DA May was good, although I am not as sold as you are. Yes he held his cards close to the vest, as he should have. There was also the lady named Jennifer who may be the assistant DA. Not sure? I hope that DA May is the one representing the people of CO at the trial and not Jennifer. I am not impressed with her. JMO.

 

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Sam Kraemer interview with individuals initiating & submitting petition to hold KK and her friends accountable.

Nice thought but I also don’t believe this will go anywhere.

 

[GordianKnot]

DA May was good, although I am not as sold as you are. Yes he held his cards close to the vest, as he should have. There was also the lady named Jennifer who may be the assistant DA. Not sure? I hope that DA May is the one representing the people of CO at the trial and not Jennifer. I am not impressed with her. JMO.

I completely agree with you that DA may is more impressive than Jennifer Viehman, and that he needs to be the one doing the bulk of the heavy lifting in the courtroom.
He has a more commanding presence than Atty. Viehman, which is unsurprising, since he's her boss.

This is a high profile case. A very high profile case.

I fully anticipate that DA May will keep a firm hold of the prosecutorial reigns on this one.
He knows what's at stake.

JMO.

 

[ilovechili]

I am also pro LE and would like to respond to your thought about LE possibly missing something in the early days of the investigation before they knew a crime even occurred.

I went back and looked at the timeline when blood was found in the bathroom and it was December 6th. Why at this point wouldn’t the rest of the home be checked for blood? Maybe it was and it was missed but I think they would see it light up at least on front and bottom of fireplace where KK stated she purposely left it for LE to find.

Dec.20 was when they ripped floor boards up. I find it difficult to believe KK got every crack in that floor and bluestar wouldn’t light at least some of those cracks up. Maybe there is more than we know but it does seem like a big miss especially as KK even says she left this evidence for them to find.

Very well stated and no kidding, a very big miss more than once apparently. To be fair I doubt they see such things every day or have reason to think such occurred but more than once and more than one agency so it makes one wonder and certainly put them behind the eight ball so to speak...

 

[ilovechili]

I understand your frustration, ilovechili. I think we all feel it to some degree. However, I don't think things would be this far along if the DA did it your way, with all respect. You'd have LE/DA trying to decipher the sequence of events (phone pings/texts/calls/video) covering weeks considering when the first attempts at KB's life began. They'd suspect both were involved but be unable to prove to what extent, and who shared the higher level of culpability. I agree, KK is not getting what she deserves by a long shot and although she may not have given LE the sweater, candles, tooth et al., she provided context to those events and locations to search that proved without a doubt that KB was indeed dead and at the hands of her lover, the despicable PF. PF & KK. A well matched pair those two. Has she lied about certain things? I have no doubt, in an attempt to make herself look just a little bit less despicable than she truly is, if that's even possible? I just don't think the things she's lied about are going to change the fact that PF wielded the bat that killed KB. The level of her undeniable willingness to participate may be divulged for all to gasp at. I won't be surprised if the solicitation charges are dropped at some point but that doesn't change the fact that PF did it and he's going to the slammer, for the rest of his miserable life for doing that. When push came to shove, KK didn't have the stomach to actually follow through, but had no problem cleaning up the mess and trying to protect his alibi and that won't be lost on jurors. (hoping for mensa types ) She also knew what she could be looking at in terms of jail time and made the decision so save her a$$, whether we agree or not. The DA was willing to let her do that in return for putting PF where he needed to be and FAST. He still had baby K and I very strongly believe the morning they came for him, MA F and PF were taking her somewhere and they were likely tipped off by, oh I don't know

Yes, she's one sick puppy. Does she deserve to rot in jail? Yes, by all means. I hate it when deals are made with devils especially one as involved as KK. I do not for one moment believe KK was solicited, she was a willing participant/co-conspirator on all counts, UNLESS, texts absolutely prove it was solicitation, I don't buy it. This was a pact made in hell, IMO. She's in for the "ride" of her life come trial and it will mark her for the rest of her living days. I have to trust DA May knows exactly what he's doing. Just my 2 cents worth.

I agree with much but not with all which is to be expected right ? Let's start with Mensa type of jurors, that is the last thing they want imo and I will not elaborate on that nor sidetrack on it because it would be futile. I will say a juror who is a member of Mensa will be able to literally read and interpret fully the jury instructions. They would be better off with women who think PF's bangs are ugly and that KK was not treated right by him and that certainly does not take qualifying as a member of Mensa.

The other main thing I disagree with is she tied together pings, phone calls, etc. from when solicitations and planning first began. When and where did I miss that LE had this info? I am not saying come trial they may not have such things but anything I have seen is from the 21st late hours/22nd early hours on. They have pings, etc.. from back when? Seriously.

I agree with much of what you said and I hope they do have such things but I guess I am not in on the loop on that one because I have seen no such thing.

Other than these things, I pretty much agree but nothing is a slam dunk and she is a liability imo. Lord knows what she will get up to in the years until trial commences, particularly free to travel and do anything she wishes, no restrictions to speak of at all. I am sure the defense is salivating over that thought and possibility.

He is guilty, no doubt. She is as well. KB is dead because of the two of them. imvho.

I understand and respect your response and I myself think what I stated herein.

I will celebrate, however, if and when he is put away and moves from county to prison. That we agree on

 

[ilovechili]

lets not forget where LE found her.
reno or vegas or somewhere there within partying up a storm.
SMUG...….CONFIDENT.....DEFIANT....DECEITFUL

moo

Oh I hear ya k-mac and totally agree. defiant and probably with a flick of the head and hair. smarter than the average bear or so she thinks...

 

[Trocroc9]

I am sure the blood evidence is KB's, probably without a doubt. I do not know exactly what that says about PF. KK places herself in the home and video places PF in the home. Do they have PF blood mingled with KB's, the murder weapon, the tooth, the sweater, a candle,

As for the discolored hay, did they get blood and DNA from it? Again KK places herself there. Since she covers herself throughout having never seen the body, well then we do not know that there was ever a body on a hay bale, in a tote, or in the fire.

She has provided nothing other than a story, not one physical piece of evidence and in her entire story, every bit of it, she has such knowledge she sounds like a firsthand witness to it.

All I have to say is they had better be able to account for every minute of her time before and after. Video ideally and more.

Because there are two people with motives here and two people intricately (and intimately!) involved. I in no way think he is innocent but neither is she.

I do not like playing devil's advocate, I want them both going away but I do not like the case as it stands right now from what we know. Maybe I will be amazed at a slam dunk one sided trial with all of the evidence not known. She may not be the one on trial but when she hits that witness stand, she will basically be on trial by the defense.

Again, not one bit of physical evidence was gained from the deal with her.

I also am not so sure who corroborated whose account.

I have said it before and will again, they would have a better case without her. With her, there are two people who wanted her dead. Without her, PF would be the obvious one.

We do not have to agree. I hope to no end that he goes down but I will never let go of my belief that she should be going down as well. I do not care who pulled the proverbial trigger so to speak or swung the bat. She is dead because of the TWO of them. Either could have stopped it, both wanted it and both tried to do it.

imvho.

Yes I agree with the hay issue. I definitely would like to know more about this discolored hay. Nothing is ever said to prove that a body was there. I am not a farm girl so I would love to hear others opinions on why discolored hay means anything in this type of situation. Why would they not say in SW that body fluids or blood was found on this hay. They sure stated when blood was found in the home. Are they saying that since hay was discolored it was because the tote sat on it for a day ? Would 1 day make hay become discolored? That’s just weird to me and doesn’t mean a thing really as I have no context.

 

[ilovechili]

I don’t understand all this effort to turn KK into a killer. He’s the one charged with murder, and all indications are that she was two days late to the party.

There is a ton of evidence here, much of it clarified by KK. The lack of a body not withstanding, it’s not normal to have a case with this much evidence.

What she has already supplied, and what what she will testify to, are both incredibly important.

I’ve never heard of a case getting stronger with less evidence. Blood under the floorboards, and blood splatter on the fireplace, is important.

The corroborating physical evidence is important.

Because of her, and only because of her, we know how this all went down.

The nice thing is, we don’t have to simply take her word for it, atleast for most of it.

The cell phones do that (KK’s, PF’s, KB’s).

The corroborating physical evidence does that (blood, discoloration, accelerant, plastic balls).

PF’s own lies do that (when he last saw Kelsey, rehab, etc).

I have never once said he did not kill Kelsey or he is innocent but just that both are capable of it and wanted it. I have also never once said he should be free and not convicted and spend life in prison. I have said they both need to go away. There are 20 somethings for goodness sake because they were with on a robbery and their buddy killed someone (that may not have even known would happen) that have been put away for their entire life for murder even though they did not pull the trigger.

I have never once tried to say he should be free and she should be the one facing prison. I have always said they both should. I personally do not care who swung the bat, shot the gun or whatever the truth may be nor on what day (who knows with these liars?), they are both as guilty as sin.

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