CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #6

[Occam's Zebra]

If she supposedly told PF she was going to Soap Lake, WA, did she tell him how she was getting there? It's a 19-hour drive. If you need to be back at work on Monday, you're not setting out for that kind of trip on a Thursday afternoon.

 

[MsBetsy]

Snipped by me. She dropped the baby off? *sigh*

He picked the baby up at her house. The first story was that she dropped her off. I think the Aunt confirmed it and it was stated in a later source. Although now I'm getting confused. I'm pretty sure it was verified that he came to pick up the child.

 

[Charlot123]

Yes, I think anyone involved knows about pings and tracing cell phones....and what better way to pull attention away from a piece of property than to have a cell phone ping far, far away.

jmo

I think that someone counted on people being busy during Thanksgiving weekend and not paying attention to Kelsey not calling/texting. But on the 25th/26th, people might have remembered. And this is when a text comes in handy.

 

[MsBetsy]

If she supposedly told PF she was going to Soap Lake, WA, did she tell him how she was getting there? It's a 19-hour drive. If you need to be back at work on Monday, you're not setting out for that kind of trip on a Thursday afternoon.

It was supposed to be for a week.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, I think anyone involved knows about pings and tracing cell phones....and what better way to pull attention away from a piece of property than to have a cell phone ping far, far away.

jmo

Exactly. Burying someone on your property makes a lot more sense with that distant cell phone activity.

If you are trying to sell the story that someone left on their own, and is far away, then you may not be concerned about your property being searched.

No crime, means that law enforcement won’t be looking at you.

Oops.

 

[Cherokee]

LE isn't just fishing with a backhoe.

A judge had to sign a search warrant with probable cause as outlined by LE from other documented and/or collected evidence.

LE is searching for more evidence to add to what they already know.

Florissant is range land. The ground is not soft and loamy. It is hard-packed and has sandy elements. The soil is made from the disintegration of mountains over geologic time. It is not riverbed soft. That's why the area is used to graze cattle, not grow crops.

Any excavation in this type of ground would take time, especially with each level measured, photographed and marked on a grid for evidence, just as an archaeological dig. LE may also be using a series of sized screens to sift for artifact. I know from personal experience that can be very time consuming.

 

[Occam's Zebra]

It was supposed to be for a week.

Where did you see that?

 

[MsBetsy]

Who is PK?

The fiance, and its PF

 

[KSinMT]

LE isn't just fishing with a backhoe.

A judge had to sign a search warrant with probable cause as outlined by LE from other documented and/or collected evidence.

So would they have needed to get a separate search warrant to dig, aside from the warrant they already had yesterday to search the property?

 

[Charlot123]

Actually it takes longer because they are careful to look for evidence as they dig and there's a lot of time spent on recording each and every finding, marking it for evidence, etc. To go down even 3 feet can take hours depending on what it found as they dig down.

They should start hiring archeology students to help.

 

[castilloisno1]

She was headed to Washington,but her car never left Colorado???? She broke up with him....hmmm, is this a case of " I can't have her..then no one will."?

 

[MassGuy]

So would they have needed to get a separate search warrant to dig, aside from the warrant they already had yesterday to search the property?

It would most likely be included in the original warrant.

I’m sure they anticipated digging at some point.

 

[Mom24]

No slower than digging around a gas line.

A 10 day old trench in Colorado, in December ... is quite distinctive ... and very easy to redig.

The surface dirt/clay, will no longer be surface consistency.

The sides will slump

The material will fall apart

For the most part, they use the bucket to just lift soil out of the hole.

A 10 ft trench, 6 feet deep and 3 foot wide ... is only 180 cubic feet

But, they likely only going down a couple-three feet before they discover what they are looking for.

It should be easy to rake, shovel and lift ...

The moment they discovered a scarf or shoe ... the medical examiner would be on the way

And we would then know

Digging a trench isn't the same. You're not cataloging and gps'ing everything you find, photographing it, and marking it. When you dig a trench, you're digging to find that line, which is already marked and gps'd so you just dig to the level you need, then clear it out to the line. This is tedious work, it's done very carefully and depending what they find, it can take time. They'll typically do a surface survey as it's not unusual for scavengers to carry things away from the original site, and they'll do a complete survey of the ground area to gather evidence on the surface. Everything found is marked, photographed, gps'd and then catalogued. After that, they're bagged and taken into evidence. That's all before the digging can begin because once they dig, the area is is destroyed. They excavate only inches at a time, they sift everything, document everything that's found, mark it, photograph it, and then enter it into evidence. Grids are put over the area to mark it, they have to be careful not to dig down to the body so they don't damage it. It's more involved than digging for a pipe under the ground.
They'll also want to notify the family and make preparations before they notify the public.

 

[MsBetsy]

Where did you see that?

He said there was a text from her that she was going away for a week and there was also a text to her workplace saying she would not be in the next week. It was about a week later that the mom realized noone had heard from her and she was reported missing. ( from the 25th when she apparently sent the text) I guess that could be wrong since I haven't read the article lately but I thought it was a week.

 

[Occam's Zebra]

She was headed to Washington,but her car never left Colorado???? She broke up with him....hmmm, is this a case of " I can't have her..then no one will."?

The only "proof" that they broke up is PF's word. You could hypothesize that he said they broke up so that no one would think it was odd that KB wasn't around. If they had just broken up, PF also wouldn't be expected to be in frequent contact w/her.

 

[MyBelle]

JMO, PK made two big mistakes to begin with that put LE onto him.

1. He told they had broken up on Thanksgiving Day. Why was that a necessary comment? Breaking up on a holiday is a cruel and thoughtless way to end a relationship. IMO, especially if he knows she is dead due to something he did to her. This statement would raise eyebrows with the LE guys I am sure.

2. He told she was going on a trip but no one knew about it besides him. What a goofy statement! Again, eyebrows would be raised that he was giving an explanation for her absence right at the start.

We WS have seen so many cases where a significant other tell the above two scenarios that soon as I heard them, PF was the guilty party in my mind.

His lawyering up immediately just added to my suspicions.

Please take the baby away from him now. Don’t give him the chance to hurt this precious child!

His comments are absurd and would have attracted LE attention from the get-go. Couples break up for a reason and usually there is a lot of emotion involved when the relationship includes young children.

No loving mother is going to break up with a man and then hand him the baby and say, oh by the way, she's going on a long trip and doesn't want to take the baby. JMO

 

[Chelly]

LE isn't just fishing with a backhoe.

A judge had to sign a search warrant with probable cause as outlined by LE from other documented and/or collected evidence.

LE is searching for more evidence to add to what they already know.

Florissant is range land. The ground is not soft and loamy. It is hard-packed and has sandy elements. The soil is made from the disintegration of mountains over geologic time. It is not riverbed soft. That's why the area is used to graze cattle, not grow crops.

Any excavation in this type of ground would take time, especially with each level measured, photographed and marked on a grid for evidence, just as an archaeological dig. LE may also be using a series of sized screens to sift for artifact. I know from personal experience that can be very time consuming.

Sorry O/T: Good to see you again @Cherokee. Remember you from years ago on Ramsey thread.

 

[Occam's Zebra]

He said there was a text from her that she was going away for a week and there was also a text to her workplace saying she would not be in the next week. It was about a week later that the mom realized noone had heard from her and she was reported missing. ( from the 25th when she apparently sent the text) I guess that could be wrong since I haven't read the article lately but I thought it was a week.

I have never seen or heard about the content of the text that KB sent to PF. The workplace text, yes, but not the PF text. Must have missed that.

 

[musemoon]

Agreed.

I'd read about the possible breakup.... but it didn't come from a verified msm source so who knows ?

Actually I thought I'd heard it from a relative of KB's.

If a breakup happened, it'd make sense in the larger puzzle of where KB is or what may have happened.
The fact that they didn't live together may mean the relationship had become strained.

If something terrible occurred, I think it was sudden and if so-- hopefully the perp made many errors .
I want to see someone face justice if our worst fears are realized.

What is driving me crazy is if KB left (if, if, if) and IF she broke up with her boyfriend (fiance) WHY? would she give him her child and leave for almost a month without a word?

As a mom, especially one who is about to have another baby, I would never do this...never. Maybe she did? But it really sounds like a story a man would make up. Sorry, I know a lot of good fathers who wouldn't make up a story like this, but it seems like a logical cover-up and yet, in reality, I don't know many women who would break up with someone and then hand them their child. Especially a mom who makes their kiddo cinnamon rolls that morning.

I really hope she is alive and is reunited with her daughter and her family. As for her fiance or whatever, I just haven't seen even one ounce of love...nothing. It's sad.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Exactly. Burying someone on your property makes a lot more sense with that distant cell phone activity.

If you are trying to sell the story that someone left on their own, and is far away, then you may not be concerned about your property being searched.

No crime, means that law enforcement won’t be looking at you.

Oops.

I’m gone for the day and come back to LE digging on PF’s property. Not a good sign. I’m so sad it’s going this way. I felt it all along and still praying I am wrong. Seems LE has some facts we don’t have and they are moving fast.