CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #6

[zecats]

Happy Sunday morning to all. ....Let there be justice for Kelsey very soon, and pass the burritos, please ?...... Thank you.

Agreed. More digging and more evidence. And especially Kelsey, wherever she may be. You sure you don't prefer cinnamon buns?

 

[scmom]

Is PF an only child? Anyone know?

 

[Irmese]

JMO He has a criminal lawyer who works with people who are or may be incarcerated. I bet the lawyer knows all the custody paperwork necessary to assign the child's care and has had PF sign it already. Even if he were convicted of a crime, he would want the baby with his own local family so he could see her. CPS is not going to take the baby and give her to CB unless that was the express written wishes of PF (a lot of posters pages back suggested this).

Agreed. I thought securing child custody for himself and naming who will take the child if he's incarcerated was one of his objectives in going to a lawyer right away.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Good morning, everyone!

Just caught up on last night’s posts and continue to hope, by some miracle, that Kelsey is found alive and well today.

When it comes to hearing from Chelsea’s friends, we’ve heard from a brother, brother in law, pastor, cousin, and aunt that I know of. My guess would be she grew up with a close knit community of family and church friends.

I think one of the reasons more current friends haven’t surfaced is that Kelsey only lived in Colorado a relatively short time—and she was pregnant or had a small baby for most of it. This stretch of motherhood often dramatically cuts down on someone’s opportunity to socialize.

But also, some may have talked to the police and then may have been asked by LE not to comment to the press or on social.

 

[cody22]

Agreed. More digging and more evidence. And especially Kelsey, wherever she may be. You sure you don't prefer cinnamon buns?

No, thank you. I am "cinnamon bun scrolled and rolled out."....LOL !

 

[Sabrina1011]

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This case keeps reminding me of Crystal Rogers' disappearance. I vaguely remember reading here that PF's family has ties to LE. Has that been confirmed?
JMO, MOO, etc

I keep thinking about Crystal as well.....and she was never found.

 

[cody22]

Is PF an only child? Anyone know?

I think he has an older brother in the area.

 

[?mysterian?]

Ok yall, cease the bun talk unless you are actively discussing something related to the case. Please and thanks.

I agree the source that has been cited for "evidence in the truck" and "1.2 mil reward" appears to be a blog, there is no author's name listed, etc. Please do not discuss these topics further unless reported by MSM/LE. I will be removing references to this info from the thread and will need your help to report if new posts discuss it.

Bumping this up for those that might have missed this yesterday.

 

[happyday]

Well I'm hoping no news is good news on the digging.
I think it's strange that PF would tell the aunt that SHE ended the relationship on Thanksgiving if he did something to her. That's just giving himself a motive. Why wouldn't he have said HE broke up with her if he wanted it to look like she ran off needing time away or to self harm? I just don't know what to think.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Well I'm hoping no news is good news on the digging.
I think it's strange that PF would tell the aunt that SHE ended the relationship on Thanksgiving if he did something to her. That's just giving himself a motive. Why wouldn't he have said HE broke up with her if he wanted it to look like she ran off needing time away or to self harm? I just don't know what to think.

Hypothetically, maybe he didn’t want to look like he broke her heart on Thanksgiving...and thus be cast as the villain.

 

[Gardener1850]

I think he has an older brother in the area.

His brother is a Colorado Springs police officer according to MSM articles posted: CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[WhimsicalWillow]

Yessss! I want to know what his day to day life was like with the baby. Did he see her daily since they didn’t live together and seemed to be sharing visitation time? I feel like she is a convenient prop. He reminds me of the guy who most likely killed his wife at sea and staged a boat accident to cover it up. He barred his baby from being around the maternal family too. What crap is that?

NO one would question if he’s an adoring parent if he were the child’s mother carrying her around. Yes, he might be an adoring father. Just because he’s the father and not the mother doesn’t tell us that she’s a prop to him.

 

[Irmese]

These thoughts and the questions asked in this post and a few of the following are in perfect line with where I have been since I started following this seriously. At the end of the day, after all that has been said and done, I don't think we know much about anything going on. I've read numerous posts here and comments elsewhere that were written with the basic premise that a crime was committed by a certain person. I have to say, I'm just not there yet. Only because, I don't believe I know anything that matters about this entire thing. So much being said by LE and the family these last couple of days completely contradicts much of what they said when all of this started. This case, the people involved, the information, so many things just don't seem to line up.

If the relationship between KB and PF is what it seems to be and if the family dynamic, both sides included, is what it seems to be, I have to admit, I understand why things feel like they do to so many people. If something happened to me one day, if I vanished, it would be awhile before anyone noticed. I keep to myself. I don't have coworkers. I rarely speak to my parents. My wife and son would wonder but, this is assuming I was in a similar situation as this one. Once my parents did realize I was missing, they are the type to withhold information about me and my life because positive public perception matters more to them than anything. They would never openly tell anyone my wife and I had a falling out or that we didn't get along most of the time.(I adore my wife. I'm simply trying to make a point.) They would never open up about things that happened in my past, things that might tarnish their precious reputation. I believe there are many people that are similar these days. I grew up in a family that would do or say just about anything to ensure family secrets stayed in the family. We always made sure the outside appearance was perfect despite what might have been happening behind closed doors. I can't help but feel like some of this may be similar. I am trying to stay objective with this for now, I want to look at it from a nuetral position until I know that's not possible. In doing so, I have to ask the question, is there any chance that KB and/or her mother and family had some past or present issues that caused difficulty? Is there something about her recent past or present that caused others to be concerned about her or the childs welfare? These types of things are what some folks tend to hold onto, out of fear of what others will think. It's all very confusing. I can't help but feel like certain folks in the middle of all this have made a choice to keep a lot of information in the family.

Your position is understandable and maybe some similar family dynamics are in play here, but I think PF lawyering up is one reason KB's family hasn't been openly discussing what is going on and KB's past. LE has probably warned them against talking too much, which can disrupt the investigation and possibly jeopardize an arrest/trial, and possibly, custody of the child.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I saw that overnight, once again, the discussion focused in on the many ways the exchange of the baby has been reported.

Like other posters, I have seen the exchange reported in MSM both ways (he picked her up, she dropped her off) and saw the aunt say he picked her up at Kelsey’s house.

Here’s one possible explanation for all the variations. What if they are both right to some extent? What if, while Kelsey was out running errands, Kelsey paused to meet PF in front of her house where she “dropped off” the baby to him and he “picked up” the baby from her?

 

[zecats]

His brother is a Colorado Springs police officer according to MSM articles posted: CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*

Thanks. I was looking for a link to support that. I had read it before on here early on from a family member/poster.

 

[MsBetsy]

Well I'm hoping no news is good news on the digging.
I think it's strange that PF would tell the aunt that SHE ended the relationship on Thanksgiving if he did something to her. That's just giving himself a motive. Why wouldn't he have said HE broke up with her if he wanted it to look like she ran off needing time away or to self harm? I just don't know what to think.

I think it could work as a story the other way around too. If she broke up with him, he could say she lost interest in both the baby and him, decided she didn't want that kind of life after all, and gave him the baby and left to start fresh. Imo

 

[?mysterian?]

Well at least some progress has been made that is factual. We know a search warrant was executed at the property PF lives on. Excavating equipment was reported by MSM and linked upthread to be arriving on the property. We don't know if the equipment was even moved off the trailers it arrived on and used, but LE had it onsite. Finally some clarity!

 

[spaz1959]

OK PF brother is in LE?! Couldn't the brother have advised PF in when to report a missing person ?!!

 

[JKathryn]

Has anyone ever seen a picture of KB and PF together with anyone else present? A public event, baby's first birthday, anything like that? The two of them pictured with another family member even?

 

[zecats]

Well at least some progress has been made that is factual. We know a search warrant was executed at the property PF lives on. Excavating equipment was reported by MSM and linked upthread to be arriving on the property. We don't know if the equipment was even moved off the trailers it arrived on and used, but LE had it onsite. Finally some clarity!

Curious as to what prompted LE to bring excavating equipment. Perhaps during the first search, an area of disturbed earth was noticed? Or in searching a property of that size (ground wise) is it standard to do so?