CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #6

[miimaa]

Good crime layout!
Compliments

Yes, PF is the one most likely to know where KB is ... and what happened.

My point, based on experience and knowledge, it is very rare... that somebody becomes an "ex", without abuse, alcohol or another lover involved.

It could be any of the three

But, it is usually the pressure of another lover that escalates the situation.

Either losing someone to another lover or your lover pushing on you.

The guy in Buffalo is the best example ... he was having an affair with his cousins wife, when his girlfriend showed up at the hunting trailer to shoot the cousins wife and then get shot in the fight.

Thus, since PF is still alive and central to everything ... he very very very likely knows what happened.

Could his girlfriend have killed her ... and he covered for her?

Could KB have pulled a gun, in self-defense on him ... and she got shot instead.

Could PF have just ended her, so he could marry his new lover.

Or to prevent her from leaving town to be with her old lover.

What all these scenarios have in common .... like all our crimes lately ... is the existence of a third party love interest.

My hunch and opinion is ... this undisclosed love interest is involved in some way, in KB's disappearance.

?? What ??

OMG - "it is very rare... that somebody becomes an "ex", without abuse, alcohol or another lover involved" --NO NO NO sometimes people simply realize they aren't right together. Geesh!!

Girlfriend killed her? Where did this info come from?????
Kelsey pulled a gun? Where did this info come from????
Third party love interest? What proof do you have of this?

 

[zecats]

I think that this is the one lie that will bring him down. If it is true.
He tells her mother that she dropped the baby off to him and headed to Washington.
He then tells LE that he picked the baby up at her home.

So there are two versions of this part of the story. And the aunt stated on here that he picked his daughter up at Kelsey's home...but in the article, the same aunt is stating that Kelsey dropped the baby off to him before heading off to Washington. I'm thinking Kelsey's aunt got two versions herself indirectly.

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm guessing her daughter would, but also the caretaker of her daughter..who is (I'm guessing) baby daddy.

Where I live, in that circumstance, the money is put into trust until the child reaches adulthood with a guardian who may release funds for the child's benefit at his/her discretion.

 

[Cherokee]

As I read through these threads, over and over throughout the day, I can't help but notice all the unanswered questions. Not that I follow missing persons or criminal cases on a regular basis but, it just seems like there is more unknown information than I assume to be usual with something like this. I know everyone is entitled to privacy. I get that but, if I put the time into researching certain events and/or people, I can usually find out alsmost anything. With social media and the 7 minute news cycle, it's almost impossible not to find private information somewhere about anything. Can anyone help me understand why this seems so different? We don't really know what has happened or what has been said over these last couple of weeks. I am starting to get this truth more and more with every brief release that comes out. We know very little about the adults relationships, the family relationships, the people involved, etc. I have no idea who has actually communicated what, to who, through whomever. Here in Louisiana I have stumbled across one person that knew what I was talking about when I brought it up in conversation yesterday. My wife didn't even know what I was talking about when I attempted to talk with her about it! I have to ask, is LE truly playing close to the vest or is it possible LE, FBI, those involved on that side have no real clue about anything after all this time?

Close to the vest, my friend. The CBI and FBI are involved. This isn't just some small local police department, floundering around up to their badges. There is a reason for the lack of information. It is best if the intended quarry doesn't know what you know.

 

[Steelslady]

I think the story of her visiting family in WA is garbage. She was shopping at Safeway mid-day on Thanksgiving. Doesn’t seem likely (in addition to not taking a car or any luggage, food left out on counter, not mentioning it to her mother that morning and other family unaware of the plans) that someone would be taking such a long trip that late in the day. She wouldn’t make it there on time for the holiday. It’s much more consistent with someone trying to throw off the investigation. MOO

Not to mention, the only thing missing is her purse and phone. She probably had her phone in her purse.

Personally? I don't think she made it back home from Safeway. JMO.

 

[BRRI]

Not to beat on IP again, but I just checked mine from my phone as opposed to WiFi. My WiFi registers as the next town over from me. My phone service IP shows as being in a different state, about 1.5 hours away or so. I would so love to know exactly the kind of ping used for Idaho.

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes, I've seen that too! But the VI said she broke up with him and he came to her house to get the baby, and I think that's in another article. I wonder if Mommy Pommy is finished making dinner yet so she can find the other article.

I'm finished. What are you looking for?

 

[Denvergirl]

I just watched the local 9pm news report about this case on the Denver news station. They said they were told by Woodland Park police that the search could end as early as tonight. He also said that the barricades blocking the road have been taken down and that their Search and Rescue and Incident Command Unit are no longer needed there. Also reiterating Frazee is not a suspect. I'll try to find the link. I just heard this on Denver NBC station, 9News.

Edited to add: can't find video link. Jordan Chavez was the reporter, he was reporting live from in front of the Woodland Park police dept.

 

[Jennifer17]

So there are two versions of this part of the story. And the aunt stated on here that he picked his daughter up at Kelsey's home...but in the article, the same aunt is stating that Kelsey dropped the baby off to him before heading off to Washington. I'm thinking Kelsey's aunt got two versions herself indirectly.

Has the aunt stated on this board that he picked the baby up from her house? No one knows if he picked the baby up or she dropped her off.
It is PF stating this. No one knows.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Has the aunt stated on this board that he picked the baby up from her house? No one knows if he picked the baby up or she dropped her off.
It is PF stating this. No one knows.

The Woodland Park PD FB page specifically states that Patrick went to her house to pick up the toddler.

 

[Deleted member 718]

They may have been told to no longer discuss that? Maybe?

At the presser, Mrs. Berreth said they were engaged. She didn't hold back.

 

[MsBetsy]

It was “confirmed” by a verified family member or it was stated by a verified family member? Did PF reveal this breakup or this story about a trip to Washington to anybody else?

The verified insider stated that he said she was going on a trip to visit family ( I believe the grandmother) and noone else knew about it. I think she said that she dropped the baby off with him, not the other way around like I think I said before. I thought I heard that somewhere. But LE did not confirm a location. That I'm sure of.
And no, I do not think he revealed it to anyone else, that we know if. It would seem all the information is coming from Kelseys mom or aunt. We have not heard any statements from LE about what he told them. As far as I know.

 

[miimaa]

I'm guessing her daughter would, but also the caretaker of her daughter..who is (I'm guessing) baby daddy.

No will? No spouse? Next of kin would be child who is too young to take control of money so it would be the child's parent/guardian.

 

[scdiv]

The Woodland Park PD FB page specifically states that Patrick went to her house to pick up the toddler.

....specifically states PF picked up the toddler.... the police FB page does not specify her house or where he picked her up.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

I really wish PF would just sit down with investigators.

 

[BRRI]

The verified insider stated that he said she was going on a trip to visit family ( I believe the grandmother) and noone else knew about it. I think she said that she dropped the baby off with him, not the other way around like I think I said before. I thought I heard that somewhere. But LE did not confirm a location. That I'm sure of.
And no, I do not think he revealed it to anyone else, that we know if. It would seem all the information is coming from Kelseys mom or aunt. We have not heard any statements from LE about what he told them. As far as I know.

Her aunt confirmed here on Websleuths that he picked up the baby at Kelsey’s home. According to PF of course.

 

[zecats]

Kelsey’s mother doesn’t mention a breakup. I would think that would be a pretty important detail.

Mother of missing Colorado mom speaks out on daughter's disappearance

Well if the breakup did happen, and it happened on Thanksgiving, Kelsey's mom might not have been able to find out about it, at last least directly from Kelsey. She went missing that day, and since she talked to her mom in the morning but was seen at Safeway in the early afternoon, she could have already be missing. Depending on time of day the breakup occurred, if it occurred during the child pick-up, or over the phone beforehand.

Another thought, if they did breakup and did so over the phone before the daughter was picked up/dropped off, PF may have already been upset and volatile when he next saw Kelsey. He may have had time to plan. jmo

 

[Jennifer17]

The Woodland Park PD FB page specifically states that Patrick went to her house to pick up the toddler.

No, it specifically states that he told them that.

 

[Deleted member 169742]

?? What ??

OMG - "it is very rare... that somebody becomes an "ex", without abuse, alcohol or another lover involved" --NO NO NO sometimes people simply realize they aren't right together. Geesh!!

Girlfriend killed her? Where did this info come from?????
Kelsey pulled a gun? Where did this info come from????
Third party love interest? What proof do you have of this?

Sure ..
People grow apart.

Happens all the time

But, when one party goes from being a "loving" partner on Tuesday, to an "ex" on Thursday, to the prime murder suspect on Sunday ... it is rarely, if ever, about growing apart.

Say "Scott Peterson" softly 8 times.

It is always about a love interest that interrupts the equilibrium.

I can not recall a domestic situation like this that did not involve the 3rd party, in some way.

Once, we locate this person or persons, then the motive and timeline will be one crisper.

It is like gravity ... all these domestics have the 3rd party interest somewhere.

 

[Beagle]

Unfortunately I am not seeing a good end to this one considering that the fiancee will only talk through a solicitor, and the extensive search they are doing on his property.