CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #6

[MsBetsy]

I do think you are on to something, and as you said earlier, I hope it's his undoing.

Maybe he told them she dropped the child off at his house first, then realized that would place her at his house around the time she went missing, so he changed his story to dropping the child off with her. Imo

 

[MassGuy]

2 weeks later...thats a lot of time, yes?

That’s how long it took them to gather enough evidence to establish probable cause.

I’m sure they would have liked to have done this sooner.

 

[katydid23]

https://www-m.cnn.com/2013/05/04/opinion/drexler-mothers-leaving/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/

There are women who do just walk away from their children.

But, it is more likely that when a woman disappears, her significant other was involved. However, that is not always the case.

The BF has not been charged with a crime.

There are women who just walk away from their children. Sadly enough.

But when I look at KB's pinterest, I don't see someone who seems likely to walk away from her child. I see someone who LOVES home life, and her child, and cooking and decorating for the holidays, and is committed to her faith, and family. JMO

 

[Kapua]

I think the story of her visiting family in WA is garbage. She was shopping at Safeway mid-day on Thanksgiving. Doesn’t seem likely (in addition to not taking a car or any luggage, food left out on counter, not mentioning it to her mother that morning and other family unaware of the plans) that someone would be taking such a long trip that late in the day. She wouldn’t make it there on time for the holiday. It’s much more consistent with someone trying to throw off the investigation. MOO

Brilliant, exactly!

 

[Denvergirl]

It's interesting that PF seems to have claimed KB was going to visit Soap Lake, WA. When I put Woodland Park to Soap Lake into Google maps, there are a couple routes suggested-- mainly a more Northern route that cuts through Montana and a more Southern route that crosses into Utah and Oregon. The Northrn route is the one given to me as the recommended route from Woodland Park. I also believe the North route would make more sense for Kelsey to take since she would also drive right by the Sandpoint area where her parents live. The Northern route, however, would NOT go anywhere near Goodling, ID. Someone driving from Woodland Park would have to choose the South route to end up having the phone ping there: Google Maps

By contrast, when I plug Florissant CO to Soap Lake WA into Google maps, then the recommended route is the South route which would drive near Gooding, ID (and nowhere near Kelsey's parents' home): Google Maps

This suggests to me that if someone decided to drive Kelsey's phone partway to Soap Lake Washington as a coverup, they might have started their journey in Florissant (where PF lives). Assuming, of course, someone was dumb enough to use their phone's Google mapping navigation or a vehicle GPS with a similar algorithm as Google for suggesting routes, this person will be found out as soon as their phone or car or computer is examined.

(It should be noted I looked up these Google map routes up with a laptop. I don't live in CO so I have no idea if someone plugging these routes into a phone app from the actual cities would get the same order of recommended routes. If anyone local wants to do an experiment with their phones or GPS, it would be interesting to compare the suggested routes).

MOO.

I think Google defaults to the fastest route. I live in Denver, I just did it and it suggested the northern route to me too, but it shows me the southern route and tells me it is only 1 minute slower....

 

[BRRI]

Yes, very possible, but they would not just capture PF picking up the baby. They would capture her leaving too.

Maybe that’s the probable cause

 

[MsBetsy]

It's not clear to me why the VI would say and/or confirm here that KB broke up with PF, and allegedly heading to WA for a visit, yet KB's mother Cheryl tell NBC News this week that they were a loving couple, without a wedding date.

Perhaps PF alone was the the source of the alleged Thanksgiving break up, and the KB trip to WA-- which VI is repeating? Yes, clear as pea soup...!

Its hard to know what truly happened when we have to go by just what he said to one (supposedly) person.

 

[Jennifer17]

Maybe he told them she dropped the child off at his house first, then realized that would place her at his house around the time she went missing, so he changed his story to dropping the child off with her. Imo

No. I think that he told her mother that she dropped the child off and was going to Washington and then he did not want a search of the last place that he had seen her and told LE that he picked the child up at her house where he knew that there was no crime scene.
If anything happened, it happened at his house IMO. He took her and the baby there.Moo

 

[GoJacks]

It's interesting that PF seems to have claimed KB was going to visit Soap Lake, WA. When I put Woodland Park to Soap Lake into Google maps, there are a couple routes suggested-- mainly a more Northern route that cuts through Montana and a more Southern route that crosses into Utah and Oregon. The Northrn route is the one given to me as the recommended route from Woodland Park. I also believe the North route would make more sense for Kelsey to take since she would also drive right by the Sandpoint area where her parents live. The Northern route, however, would NOT go anywhere near Goodling, ID. Someone driving from Woodland Park would have to choose the South route to end up having the phone ping there: Google Maps

By contrast, when I plug Florissant CO to Soap Lake WA into Google maps, then the recommended route is the South route which would drive near Gooding, ID (and nowhere near Kelsey's parents' home): Google Maps

This suggests to me that if someone decided to drive Kelsey's phone partway to Soap Lake Washington as a coverup, they might have started their journey in Florissant (where PF lives). Assuming, of course, someone was dumb enough to use their phone's Google mapping navigation or a vehicle GPS with a similar algorithm as Google for suggesting routes, this person will be found out as soon as their phone or car or computer is examined.

(It should be noted I looked up these Google map routes up with a laptop. I don't live in CO so I have no idea if someone plugging these routes into a phone app from the actual cities would get the same order of recommended routes. If anyone local wants to do an experiment with their phones or GPS, it would be interesting to compare the suggested routes).

MOO.

If you calculated the route during rush hour time in Denver, it would probably send you southern route tbh. That's an extra 2 hours of not moving, lol.

 

[BRRI]

Has there been a single effort at search in her town? Or was not done due to the pinging phone so far away. No dogs, ground search, anything? I havent seen anything on news or online to indicate there has been any search, by LE or community. Anyone know?

Good point. No searches that I know of

 

[jewelsmac]

That’s how long it took them to gather enough evidence to establish probable cause.

I’m sure they would have liked to have done this sooner.

I agree, I am sure they would. What i was really trying to ask if anyone, family or community or LE have done a local search on the ground, rather than search of his home. I havent seen anything about that and was wondering. I may have just worded my question poorly.

 

[BRRI]

Yes definitely true. If you look at the video though, I see what looks like snow outside in the parking lot. It is the mountains of Colorado after all and pretty high elevation up from Colorado Springs. Would she want to push the baby in a stroller in the snow and cold? Wouldn't that take her a lot longer than she may have had if baby was being picked up or dropped off? As I recall on a previous post with a map, her home was not that close to Safeway...walkable yes, but not right nearby.

She definitely didn’t take the baby in a stroller to Safeway. Where would she have put the stroller when she carried the seat into the store?

Those seats are heavy too. Super heavy. So I don’t think she would have walked without a stroller either

 

[Liadan]

I don't believe she drove her car home. Something, in my opinion, occurred between or right after leaving Safeway and handing off her little girl.

I wonder if PF was meeting her at Safeway and that is where the said exchange occurred and I wonder if she was with PF when she left Safeway and LE are keeping it quiet. I am truly intrigued, the video of KB going in is clear, surely there is video of her leaving?

The child car seat being hauled into Safeway makes me think she was going to leave the child seat with PF as well..... altho people can have child safety seats in all their cars. Maybe the child was sleeping in it at the time of shopping and she didn't want to disturb but that is a hefty weight to carry since the child is nearly 1.

 

[SuperTmo]

Yes

If PK married his new girlfriend, then KB would leave town with child

If KB found new love, she would likely leave town with child

The only way to keep the child in town was to eliminate KB.

The question we need to ask ... is, why did PF and KB never live together?

Or get married?

The reason usually is ... someone else is in the picture.

That isn’t how it works. When there is a child, if the parents go and get a parenting plan, neither can move away without the court’s permission. If he wanted to keep the child in town, all he had to do was go and get a court order.

Unless you have a link about this third person, we can’t just assume they exist.

 

[Gardener1850]

I think Google defaults to the fastest route. I live in Denver, I just did it and it suggested the northern route to me too, but it shows me the southern route and tells me it is only 1 minute slower....

Thanks for trying that Denvergirl. That's one reason why I found it interesting that there was a difference in which was recommended first between Florissant and Woodland Park, because the driving time estimate is practically the same no matter which route you choose.

 

[MsBetsy]

No. I think that he told her mother that she dropped the child off and was going to Washington and then he did not want a search of the last place that he had seen her and told LE that he picked the child up at her house where he knew that there was no crime scene.
If anything happened, it happened at his house IMO. He took her and the baby there.Moo

That's what I meant by changing his mind as it would place her at his house. I think you are saying the same thing. He wouldn't want LE to consider his house as the last place she had been before she went missing so he said he picked the baby up at her house. That way he could say the last time he saw her she was alive and well in her home. Of course I have no idea if this is true ( maybe that's why you said, "no.") I am just speculating.

 

[SuperTmo]

Missing pilot’s mysterious texts

Look at this family! Holding out hope for your safe return, Kelsey!

Dang he is only 32? I thought he was much older than her by the family photo.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Maybe he told them she dropped the child off at his house first, then realized that would place her at his house around the time she went missing, so he changed his story to dropping the child off with her. Imo

MsBetsy, I think he told CB one thing and told LE another. Once CB and LE visited, things changed.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I think that he was a reluctant husband, not any financial problems, promising her that they would marry when cattle prices improved.

I tend to think she was the reluctant one because of his financial problems.

It's cheaper for a couple to be together in one household than two. She appeared to be financially stable and perhaps she didn't want a leach. MOOooo

 

[Jennifer17]

MsBetsy, I think he told CB one thing and told LE another. Once CB and LE visited, things changed.

I really believe this too and that is why LE wanted to speak to him again and he lawyered up.