CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #7

[PommyMommy]

There haven't been any sightings of KB reported at all, so either she isn't out there somewhere, or no one is really looking. Most high profile cases have at least a few sightings, even if they usually turn out to be false.

Has LE said there haven't been any sightings? I don't remember if they have or not, but if not, they could have investigated sightings that we are unaware of.
MOO

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Occam’s razor: In my opinion, the simplest and most likely scenario, that doesn’t require postulating and doesn’t rely on unknown what ifs, is she texted from her own phone.

Second most likely, in my mind, is a perp known to her did the texting.

I would put a false ping as third most likely, in my opinion.

Finally, the idea that a perp manipulates the signal to ping off the tower in Idaho, is possible but not very likely in my opinion.

The most likely explanation is someone engineered that to deflect her true whereabouts. If she traveled that distance, someone would have seen some sign of her somewhere. MOO

 

[Kapua]

The sale price of the property wasn’t an exorbitant amount, $190k. A new mortgage was taken for the property in 2009 for $249,500. Property tax about $1354

Wow. That's insanely cheap. (I'm used to CA property values.)

 

[BRRI]

To my knowledge, neither PF or any of his relatives have assisted in the search for Kelsey or advocated for her safe return.
MOO

I don’t think anyone seems to really be assisting in the search. All I have seen is a missing poster and then a Facebook page posting the updates that the media know of. Small interviews with the media. We haven’t heard of any search parties on foot as far as I know.

 

[zecats]

Well with all the theories that have been floated...and there have been some amazing ones...I'd say she's on the road! With her purse and phone!

I know anything is still possible at this point. But what would she be driving? And why has she not contacted anyone since?

 

[1wonderleads2another]

Does anyone know, those apps that create False pings/locations ....They only provide the false location information to other cell phone users who you share location info with, correct? ( like your spouse or your parents if you’re a teen)

As far as I know they do NOT actually cause your phone to ping a tower you are not by. I worked at a corporate office for a major cell phone carrier and was trained in how cell towers work. I cannot see any way that you could create a verifiable by LE ping on a phone if was actual tower the ping came from was 100 miles away. (My apologies if this has been discussed by any cell tower expert, this thread is moving fast)

Point being we can safely assume , IMO, that her phone was in Idaho 11/25. If PF was the one who took it there how has LE not found any evidence of his trip? Cameras are at almost every gas station etc ...

 

[Kapua]

Well with all the theories that have been floated...and there have been some amazing ones...I'd say she's on the road! With her purse and phone!

And no car!

 

[sun16]

My best guess is because he doesn't want to incriminate himself and get caught in a lie later.

I get him ensuring he has attorney representation, but if he TRULY had nothing whatsoever to do with Kelsey’s disappearance (or worse), he—via his attorney—has nothing to worry about. However, he is acting guilty. This is absolutely RIDICULOUS. This is backfiring on him. LE needs to find a way to further turn up the heat.

 

[PrairieWind]

My guess on the search is that found nothing of real significance. They will process some things further, computer, etc. I am interested in the truck though. They hauled it off to process which isn’t unusual. Have they returned it to him? If and when it’s returned will tell us something. If it is returned, I bet there is a GPS tracker installed. That is probably in the sealed warrant. They maybe would want to follow his movements to see if he leads them to something.

 

[jillianelaine]

I'm stuck on those final phone texts to her employer and boyfriend. We know the text to her employer evolved around not being at work the next week or so. Some people assume the text to the boyfriend was of a similar nature. So why no text to her mother? Why? Why? Why? Many, including myself will suspect that someone else placed those texts. And yet it is just as possible that she had an altercation with a family member and that is why they did not know she was missing for a long time--and maybe why she did take off, willingly. Yet now, something had happened that allowed that three day search warrant to be secured. And it becomes more difficult to believe she left on her own free will. In my opinion it seems reasonable to believe they have revealed additional info to suggest that someone has been less than honest.

 

[Marli61]

Well with all the theories that have been floated...and there have been some amazing ones...I'd say she's on the road! With her purse and phone!

Not sure how "national" this story has become, but unless she somehow "secured" a vehicle, completely changed her appearance & had a significant amount of cash stashed for this undercover trip, I don't think she is on the road. She would have been spotted by now.

 

[BRRI]

Agree. But would he handle things the same way if his mother or daughter went missing?

Maybe his mom. I don’t think anyone would handle something the same way as if it were their child missing. I think it’s a totally different dynamic for that. We also aren’t sure if they were still together, so that furthers the divide of concern/reaction

 

[BRRI]

Agreed.

I'm interested as well in the past communications between the families ; only b/c Kelsey is missing.
None of us would wonder about their family business or even be here at all if she wasn't missing.

So many unknowns in this case, and the one person who could shed some light isn't speaking. Not even to LE.

The fact that LE has been 'pleading' with PF to sit down and talk to them is telling.
"Pleading" is more than a suggestion and is strongly worded as if LE knows PF is key to the missing parts of the case. And PF alone... not his girlfriend, his family members, etc.
I'm posting solely based on what is public msm knowledge.
It would be great to be totally wrong and Kelsey is just missing of her own volition and will surface in a few days.
The fact she left behind her baby makes that seem impossible, though.

I’d have to rewatch the presser. Did LE say “pleading” or did the media?

 

[Mom24]

With objectivity

We do not have a murder weapon
We do not have fingerprints
We do not have a crime scene
We do not have a body

We do not even have any evidence a crime or coverup has occurred

BUT, we know WHO did it!

Nice ....

We have a duck....

 

[DexterMorgan]

That's the main problem with this case...there has been such a lack of information that it's impossible to actually know anything. There's no evidence a crime has been committed, but there's no evidence KB ran off voluntarily. Statistically, when a woman goes missing it's usually due to a boyfriend or husband, which is why PF is in the position he's in right now, but all we know for sure is that he didn't report her missing. A big red flag, yes, but it doesn't necessarily mean he did anything to her. IMO, he was probably involved, but without facts to back it up, this case can't go anywhere.

So he had 10 days of the babies clothes and diapers and other needed accessories without having to worry about if KB ran off for a few weeks?

Btw. I just want to see what he was texting her after that day.

 

[Mom24]

Does anyone know if his family is wealthy? Because owning 36 acres is nothing to sneeze at.

36 acres isn't much and usually in families where the land is owned, it's more of a financial drain these days. I'm guessing there isn't much money there.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Well I agree that if she were traveling NOW that would be the case. But if she was traveling those first 3 days? Literally not even her family were looking yet.

I think she likely came into foul play.

But she wasn’t reported missing until Dec. 2, so up until then, she could’ve been riding shotgun in a car cross country in the same outfit she’s pictured in, and no one would’ve blinked, right?

Not sure how "national" this story has become, but unless she somehow "secured" a vehicle, completely changed her appearance & had a significant amount of cash stashed for this undercover trip, I don't think she is on the road. She would have been spotted by now.

 

[Kapua]

Taking a poll

Where do you think the crime scene is?

(A) Idaho
(B) KB townhouse
(C) PF ranch
(D) Somewhere between B & C
(E) There is not one yet, cause there is no evidence of a crime ... just a missing person

E applies for the time being. But IMHO, if LE ever finds a crime scene, it will be C or D.

 

[vaporlass]

I also understand not wanting to give a home address. But why Florissant? Why not a P.O. Box where SHE resides? Unless it's on her way to work?

It’s not. Doss is 61 miles South of Woodland Park and PF home is West.

 

[BRRI]

Wow. That's insanely cheap. (I'm used to CA property values.)

Yea, I saw that and was shocked at how much land you get for that. And now I am jealous that you can get that much land for that price.