CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #7

[WhimsicalWillow]

LE has not released any evidence that makes them suspect PF (other than it being originate based on statistics of intimate partner violence).

For all we know, LE may be mainly going off tips alone to get warrants, as they had for most of Mollie Tibbetts’s case.

Her disappearance is suspicious and the type of relationship she had with PF sounds “off”/“on”. PF will face intense scrutiny from LE unless they come across evidence leading to another direction.

I have a feeling that this will be a long “ride”.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Hmmmm Here it states the police checked on Nov 25th.
So this puts a kink in reports KB's mom waited till Dec 2nd.

That story is wrong. The Police Chief gave the timeline in the first press conference. Police did not conduct a welfare check until after her mother reported her missing which was on December 2nd. If I am not mistaken the Police Chief specified the exact time on December 2nd that Kelsey's mother reported her missing as well.

 

[moonlessnight]

I wonder if the family and LE just took PF's word for it? It would fit with his story that she took a 1 week trip that her phone pinged in Idaho. That would have been intentional to support the trip story. The phone could have traveled to Idaho unbeknownst to the driver if PF slipped it into a car or truck that he knew would be traveling a distance.

I agree with everything you posted, but just noting that we don't know what the text from KB's phone to PF said. Kelsey's employer is the one that said the text from her said she wouldn't be at work the next week. I imagine the text that PF said he received said something very similar, but police haven't yet told us the content of the text to PF, and if it also said that she would be gone for a week.

 

[PommyMommy]

one administrator of a FB page for her stated that "the truth will be released one day". I posted the link to that 3 threads back. This could be awkward wording, or it could indicate they mostly know what happened and just want her to come back. There could be some strange circumstance in which they KNOW what happened but don't know where she is now, although they know she's alive. This is doubtful but anything is possible. From what those close to her have said, it sounds possible that they know what's happened and that she is alive somewhere. It could also be positive, wishful thinking. There is more to the story of course, and this one sounds convoluted.

I tend to trust what LE says rather than what is posted on Facebook - by an admin or anyone else.

Investigators call missing mom Kelsey Berreth’s disappearance ‘suspicious’
At a press conference Friday afternoon, law enforcement officials investigating the disappearance of Kelsey Berreth said they believe she is not intentionally avoiding efforts to find her.

"Our investigators believe that Kelsey's disappearance is more suspicious and she is not intentionally avoiding efforts to find her," De Young said.

 

[alucardsdream]

One of the things that strikes me the most about this case is the lack of information...we know KB is missing, and that's about it. No one (that I am aware of) has come forward to say they saw her after Thanksgiving and I haven't seen any interviews with any of her friends that tell what KB was really like or how her relationship with PF was. Usually friends come out of the woodwork in cases like this and are all over the news begging for their friend to be found. Same with PF. No one has come forward to say what kind of person he was or how he treated KB. No lovers have come forward to claim they were having an affair with PF or KB. It's almost as if all the parties involved have put themselves under a self-imposed gag order.

 

[PommyMommy]

LE has not released any evidence that makes them suspect PF (other than it being originate based on statistics of intimate partner violence).

For all we know, LE may be mainly going off tips alone to get warrants, as they had for most of Mollie Tibbetts’s case.

I sure hope they don't release evidence. It could compromise the case. I wouldn't expect them to release anything unless it's helpful in finding Kelsey.
MOO

 

[moonlessnight]

the fact that they are digging means they have solid info to believe they should dig in a specific location.

Right. Anyone who knows they had nothing to do with it would be doing everything they can to help. He is fighting every bit of the way.

 

[moonlessnight]

The wording is very telling. pleading for him to "come forward" is different than pleading for info. Come forward implies confession - to take responsibility.

LOL, yes I can’t recall hearing LE using those words in the presser or in press releases. I got the impression that they were inviting him and encouraging him to talk directly with them, but as of now, he’s answering all questions through his attorney. Pleading, to me, would indicate that he’s not cooperating, but they did say he is talking, only through his attorney

 

[Mae’s Friend]

Just to add to what some of the other counsel have said, unlike lawyers who appear on TV to speak on behalf of their clients but in reality are engaging in self promotion, PF’s lawyer is doing exactly what he should do at this stage. He is ethically bound to protect his client. The public’s desire to know more and the police’s desire for an interview aren’t his concern. Frankly he might not know for sure whether his client is guilty or innocent. Play this out — if the search of PF’s home and cars turned up nothing, and there is no other hard evidence directly pointing to him as a perp, then the lawyer’s strategy worked and LE has too little to arrest PF let alone try him. However unseemly that is, criminal defense lawyers have to consider such strategies.

 

[heartgoesout]

Wowza! I missed about three threads. No update other than LE searching PF house?

 

[MsBetsy]

Do we know that they found no evidence?

I thought someone posted a report by LE this morning that said they finished with the search and haven't found anything yet but will continue the investigation or something like that.
At least I don't think they said that they DID find something. Maybe they are just not saying one way or the other. It just sounded like nothing has changed.

 

[moonlessnight]

exactly. they had to have probable cause to get a search warrant specific to certain items. 3 days to search the whole property, vehicle and to use digging equipment is very incriminating.

I'm stuck on those final phone texts to her employer and boyfriend. We know the text to her employer evolved around not being at work the next week or so. Some people assume the text to the boyfriend was of a similar nature. So why no text to her mother? Why? Why? Why? Many, including myself will suspect that someone else placed those texts. And yet it is just as possible that she had an altercation with a family member and that is why they did not know she was missing for a long time--and maybe why she did take off, willingly. Yet now, something had happened that allowed that three day search warrant to be secured. And it becomes more difficult to believe she left on her own free will. In my opinion it seems reasonable to believe they have revealed additional info to suggest that someone has been less than honest.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I think that's when they did a wellness check. I'm not sure exactly what happened but maybe Kelseys mom found out about the text messages after that and that's why she didn't report her missing until after she was supposed to have returned. I haven't seen much about that but that's the only thing I can think of. If PF told her she had said she was going away maybe she didn't worry until she was due to return. But you would think she would be concerned when she found out that no family was expecting her and she wasn't with a family member. It's very strange. Maybe LE didn't think she was missing, thinking because of the messages to work and PF, she left willingly. They may have advised her to wait a little longer before filing a report.

Which leads me to wonder why? Would really be interested to see who exactly did the check, and what exactly is in the Report concerning that.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I haven’t seen anyone here insisting she ran away or even saying that is most likely. However, there are those among us who—despite AGREEING significant others are most often responsible—believe it’s important to keep all possibilities open.

For me, that is because 1. I want to let the facts close doors rather than letting my ideas close them and 2. I have seen cases unfold where it turned out the perp was NOT the significant other, there was an unlikely accident, a person did commit suicide, or a person did leave voluntarily.

Her mother said she believes Kelsey is out there somewhere alive.
Her aunt asked truckers around the country to be on the lookout.
Her cousin said “it’s a long story” and we will understand the delay in her being reported missing after it comes out.

People who insist on letting facts determine which doors we close are not doing so out of a desire to assassinate anyone’s character. They are doing so to preserve the best chance of finding Kelsey and not prematurely eliminating a less likely option that may in fact turn out to be correct.

Amen.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

The wording is very telling. pleading for him to "come forward" is different than pleading for info. Come forward implies confession - to take responsibility.

With all due respect, I have heard LE ask witnesses to “come forward” to share whatever they may know many times.

I do think it’s interesting that PF isn’t trying to control or defend himself in the public narrative. Certainly many in his own community—maybe even neighbors who are sharing photos of excavators entering his property—are probably concerned about him and his involvement and he is doing nothing to assure them.

Does he intend to continue living there under such a cloud of suspicion? Or does he really believe he will be cleared in time and is just waiting?

 

[moonlessnight]

I think it was planted in a vehicle not related to KB or PF.

So let me throw this out here just to stir things up... can one of you Occam’s Razor folks tell me the most likely explanation for why Kelsey’s phone would ping near Gooding which is right along Interstate 84 and a likely route from Woodland Park if she were to travel to Washington? I can’t help but think that’s maybe the biggest clue we’ve got.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

I am hoping that if he and baby K have passports, that LE has taken posession of them.
This guy may go into self-preservation mode and flee with his baby girl rather than give her (and Kelsey's location) up, IF he is the cause of her disppearance.
JMO

 

[Deleted member 169742]

One of the things that strikes me the most about this case is the lack of information...we know KB is missing, and that's about it. No one (that I am aware of) has come forward to say they saw her after Thanksgiving and I haven't seen any interviews with any of her friends that tell what KB was really like or how her relationship with PF was. Usually friends come out of the woodwork in cases like this and are all over the news begging for their friend to be found. Same with PF. No one has come forward to say what kind of person he was or how he treated KB. No lovers have come forward to claim they were having an affair with PF or KB. It's almost as if all the parties involved have put themselves under a self-imposed gag order.

Best challenge I have read!

Both KB and PF had lives and serious interests before meeting.

It is those folks who are completely missing

And the opinions of local neighbors

Go to the Thunderbird ... and the neighbors would fill a reporter's notepad.

My hunch ... is what people are saying, does not match the narrative.

Thus, the news ignores it

 

[moonlessnight]

B, C, and/or D

Taking a poll

Where do you think the crime scene is?

(A) Idaho
(B) KB townhouse
(C) PF ranch
(D) Somewhere between B & C
(E) There is not one yet, cause there is no evidence of a crime ... just a missing person

 

[Deleted member 169742]

B, C, and/or D

Nicely done!