CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #7

[Jennifer17]

I have no reason to believe he has told two different versions. Do you? (Not challenging you, just trying to find out which it is and where the two versions come from.)

No reason except that two versions are around everywhere.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I have no reason to believe he has told two different versions. Do you? (Not challenging you, just trying to find out which it is and where the two versions come from.)

Agreed. I think reporters have reported 2 different versions. But both LE and his family that we have heard from said he picked the baby up. I haven’t heard any LE officer or fam member say the opposite.

 

[katydid23]

No, I can't see any creep factor there.

I don't find that pic creepy either. Kind of wish I did, to help me figure this one out. But they both look very happy and content to me. Which is very sad.

 

[PommyMommy]

Best challenge I have read!

Both KB and PF had lives and serious interests before meeting.

It is those folks who are completely missing

And the opinions of local neighbors

Go to the Thunderbird ... and the neighbors would fill a reporter's notepad.

My hunch ... is what people are saying, does not match the narrative.

Thus, the news ignores it

Neighbors react to heavy law enforcement presence in Florissant
The heavy law enforcement presence is captivating neighbors in the small town of Florissant, old and new.

NA says she’s been living in Florrisant “20 something years now.”

Meanwhile, JG says he’s been “in Florissant since January.”

When they signed up for a small-town life, neither expected to see this kind of activity.

“Last couple of days we noticed a lot of unmarked cars, things like that, some detectives walking around,” noted JG.

Vehicles belonging to sheriff’s deputies and other law enforcement agencies moving up and down the road leading to the property of Patrick Frazee.

The disappearance of Kelsey Berreth is really sinking in now.

 

[moonlessnight]

If she left on her own not under duress, wouldn't there be some electronic trail in some form? Would she really contact NO living person for a week, or use CC's or have any online activity?

If she left to hide or cause her own demise, wouldn't PF have been more concerned about her behavior or lack of contact?

This story about a 1 week trip is so thin, without appropriate response from PF or other actions or info supporting it by KB. It's a very lame attempt at a cover up. PF is clearly not too bright and extremely arrogant/entitled. But clearly KB's mother and boss believed him, too, at least at first.

Put that together with the fact that she is a mother of a small child, has been described as 'responsible' and in fact has demonstrated that she is 'responsible' by holding down a job with a long commute, has a strong faith, has no history of falling off the grid, and has loving family. Add in her 'fiance' who was the last to see her, but did not bother to report her missing after 10 days, two mysterious texts, but none to her mother, and it all points in one direction. IMHO.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

No, I can't see any creep factor there.

I don’t think we can tell anything from the photo. And I know admins discourage us from making judgments like these.

 

[stephlovescheese]

not sure if this is allowed, but is it me or is there something in his eyes that just makes your skin crawl? I know that's an obscure and vague way to evaluate someone, but there is something there that screams to me. I know it's a strange angle as the camera is above and they are looking up, but yikes - the creep factor!

100%

 

[Harikari]

Just trying to catch up. 1. Surprised LE found nothing 2. Leaning towards a McStay scenario of someone showing up and telling her to get into a vehicle but 3. Also wondering about suicide.

2 is the only scenario that would include the phone ping

3. I have disappeared for a few days bc I was suicidal. But I took my car (which is where 3 makes no sense) and my phone (ironically Incase PF an emergency).

Leaving option 2. BUT, I don’t think PF drove her. If he did he had to fill up for gas 6? 7? times and people would have seen him....and/or the truck. A red Tacoma isn’t easy to hide and in the middle of the night would have been glaring. So I don’t think the truck was driven to where the phone pinged. Which means someone else drove.

Also I’ve never seen a thread here where angry people refuse to consider other options. We’re not here to find anyone particular guilty of any particular crime. If you’re So sure that PF is guilty you’re unwilling to consider anything else you’re not sleuthing. No one gets a ribbon for being ‘right’ and offering other scenarios doesn’t mean we don’t think he was involved.

 

[Deleted member 718]

No, I can't see any creep factor there.

I only found it creepy because my husband has the same shirt.

 

[SandyQLS]

@SharonNeedles encouraged me with her posts to look at this case differently rather than on the path of typical.

JMO I think PF and KB worked out a schedule where he was the M-F child caregiver, and she was the weekend parent. She is gone 12 hours every work day. He is a pillar at his ranch, and she is a pillar at her job, and the relationship may have worn out but still be friendly.

What if PF did pick up the baby 11/22 and that's the last he saw of her other than the 11/25 text? What if she told him while she loves her baby, she's just tired and wanted the 4-day holiday for a Me Time break? She could have willingly left to go anywhere with anyone, and I don't believe she tells her family everything. CB calls on 12/2 and PF isn't concerned because they aren't really together any more and he has the baby. If they aren't really together any more, he may not know where she would go either, not his problem and KB may have been not sharing personal info with him any more. In this scenario, PF has new problems, too, because the other parent is missing - so he is now the 24/7 parent with no backup. Also, PF is not related to KB, so it makes more sense that CB files the missing person report.

I'm just trying to see the situation from an innocent PF point of view, try it out. I couldn't care less about any ex of mine, what they do, where they go.

 

[MsBetsy]

Wait, what?

Police contacted Berreth’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, who said Berreth dropped off their daughter at his home on Nov. 22. The last time he says he heard from her was Nov. 25 and their child is still in his custody, according to detectives.

I hate to beat a dead horse, but did she drop the baby off or did PF pick her up?

It seems there are two different stories. According to the VI, he went to Kelseys home to drop off the baby. But different news sources have said different things, so I'm not sure what the real story is. I think LE has said he dropped the baby off with her but would not name the location. I thought I had this right yesterday but it has changed so many times I'm not even sure what was verified, if at all. (By LE)

 

[WhimsicalWillow]

There is no logical nor scientific way to tell if someone is a criminal by looking at them.

Admins try hard to make people only discuss facts.

I agree that it’s important to stay open-minded to possibilities leading to other than PF.

Could she have committed suicide? It’s always a possibility with any missing person. I would have never expected the news anchor and Mom of two young children, Jessica Starr, to have (recently) committed suicide.

Could she have chosen to pursue a different life? I’d think of this one last. It is a very rare occurrence.

Could she have another love interest? Yes.

Other perps are definitely possible.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

If she left on her own not under duress, wouldn't there be some electronic trail in some form? Would she really contact NO living person for a week, or use CC's or have any online activity?

If she left to hide or cause her own demise, wouldn't PF have been more concerned about her behavior or lack of contact?

This story about a 1 week trip is so thin, without appropriate response from PF or other actions or info supporting it by KB. It's a very lame attempt at a cover up. PF is clearly not too bright and extremely arrogant/entitled. But clearly KB's mother and boss believed him, too, at least at first.

I understand why those things seem clear to you, but they are less clear to me. While I think it’s most likely foul play at the hands of someone she knows, when people have purposefully disappeared, they often purposefully try not to leave a trail. And I am not sure why you don’t think LE was concerned about her lack of contact.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

not sure if this is allowed, but is it me or is there something in his eyes that just makes your skin crawl? I know that's an obscure and vague way to evaluate someone, but there is something there that screams to me. I know it's a strange angle as the camera is above and they are looking up, but yikes - the creep factor!

I don't find that pic creepy either. Kind of wish I did, to help me figure this one out. But they both look very happy and content to me. Which is very sad.

I picked up on an ownership vibe.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I am hoping that if he and baby K have passports, that LE has taken posession of them.
This guy may go into self-preservation mode and flee with his baby girl rather than give her (and Kelsey's location) up, IF he is the cause of her disppearance.
JMO

They can't do that. He would have due process rights. Goevernment can't go out depriving people of liberty just because they think he might have done something wrong. The system we have is designed specifically to prevent such things like that from happening. Everyone in this country should be thankful that we have it this way.

 

[moonlessnight]

ha ha about the shirt. I just see so much repressed anger.

I only found it creepy because my husband has the same shirt.

 

[moonlessnight]

yes, totally. and anger. not a good mix.

I picked up on an ownership vibe.

 

[PommyMommy]

Wait, what?

Police contacted Berreth’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, who said Berreth dropped off their daughter at his home on Nov. 22. The last time he says he heard from her was Nov. 25 and their child is still in his custody, according to detectives.

I hate to beat a dead horse, but did she drop the baby off or did PF pick her up?

Sloppy journalism. The WPPD news release says CF picked up the baby in the afternoon (paraphrased).
MOO

 

[moonlessnight]

the verified aunt said PF picked up baby at KB's house after Safeway.

It seems there are two different stories. According to the VI, he went to Kelseys home to drop off the baby. But different news sources have said different things, so I'm not sure what the real story is. I think LE has said he dropped the baby off with her but would not name the location. I thought I had this right yesterday but it has changed so many times I'm not even sure what was verified, if at all. (By LE)

 

[Mom24]

Wait, what?

Police contacted Berreth’s fiancé, Patrick Frazee, who said Berreth dropped off their daughter at his home on Nov. 22. The last time he says he heard from her was Nov. 25 and their child is still in his custody, according to detectives.

I hate to beat a dead horse, but did she drop the baby off or did PF pick her up?

I think we have to go with our verified insider on this one. DM may have gotten wrong information and they just keep recycling that part of the story every time they add a new update.