CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #7

[Deleted member 169742]

Thinking out loud here..... Rarely are breakups spontaneous. Usually there’s a “song and dance” leading up to the termination by one or both of the parties. It’s a very thoughtful dance if children are involved. If its true and not rumor that KB and PF broke off their relationship just prior to Thanksgiving and KB was possibly the initiator of this breakup, I’m guessing some serious thought was put into it and for some time? If KB’s main reason for living in CO was PF and PF up to this point in the relationship was doing the majority of the child’s care...there would be a lot of logistics involved (employment, living arrangements, childcare) if she was thinking about moving out of CO, maybe possibly closer to family. A holiday followed by a long weekend could provide apply time for a job interview, housing... ? I believe someone posted on a back thread that there was an airport located in Gooding, ID....were they hiring for a flight instructor? Is traveling through Gooding the quickest route to Sandpoint, ID? Does Sandpoint have an airport and are they hiring? In short or my case long, I have a feeling that this breakup was followed up with a conversation possibly of an out of state move.

Makes sense

 

[Deleted member 169742]

It is interesting there has been only one photo found or released of KB, PF and K together, and that photo was taken soon after K's birth as a newborn.

That's it.

There is no other publicly-known photo and no other evidence of there being a relationship (such as an extended engagement between KB and PF) other than what was allegedly said by KB to her religious family.

I know not everyone, including myself, posts photos all over the internet on social media. I am not commenting on the lack of KB's photos of K posted online, but where are the photos of KB and PF after K's newborn photo? Where is a photo of K's 1st birthday with KB & PF, if they were engaged? Where is a photo of last Christmas with KB & PF, if they were engaged?

Why is there only one photo of KB, PF & K that keeps being used ad nauseam by the media?

IMHO, there weren't many photos taken of the three of them together. I don't believe K was a planned pregnancy, and I also don't believe KB and PF were actually engaged before or after K's birth. The word fiance' was used to make the situation more palatable to KB's very religious family and to make it seem like K's birth was the result of something more than a short-term physical attraction.

All the speculation in the world does not change the fact this was not a healthy relationship. Whether PF is innocent or guilty, what fiance' (current or former) doesn't talk to the mother of his child for 10 days or report her missing. If PF is innocent, then he and KB had a terrible and very distant relationship. If nothing else, KB would have texted and/or called to check on K. She would have wanted to hear K's voice and K saying "mama," and KB would reassure K she would see her soon. A 15-month-old child understands much more than they can say, and the sudden loss of a parental figure can make them very insecure. KB does not sound like the kind of person who would abandon her baby nor make that baby feel abandoned.

Compliments...... keen observation

 

[KaylynnCouture]

With objectivity

We do not have a murder weapon
We do not have fingerprints
We do not have a crime scene
We do not have a body

We do not even have any evidence a crime or coverup has occurred

BUT, we know WHO did it!

Nice ....

Honestly at this point we don’t even have evidence of a struggle or that she’s even missing not on her own behalf.

 

[Seattle1]

Agreed, not a chance. But simplified down to what we know:

She's not at home, so obviously she left.

Nothing to suggest she was abducted from her home and she did take her purse and phone, so it would appear she left voluntarily.

Her vehicles didn't leave, so what? I would guess most likely she left with someone.

So wouldn't it make sense that LE should be focusing their searches and warrants on her activity? I don't think a spur of the moment never-to-return trip seems likely under any scenario.

I believe LE is focusing on KB's activity, and also that it stopped on 11/22 after she left Safeway. I don't think there has been any banking, credit card, financial transactions, or internet and/or phone communication since Thursday. Also don't believe the alleged text communications on 11/25 to employer and PF originated with KB. Whether her phone is in Colorado or Idaho -- I don't think it will ever be found. Also think LE tried to simultaneously check out PF's activity but he was not a willing participant. Wheels of justice are slow but LE is definitely greasing the wheel. MOO

 

[WhimsicalWillow]

From what I read KB’s mother say, it sounds like PF had financial difficulties. I can see her breaking up with him over finances.

To elaborate on my previous post, as a 20-something, my mother likes to believe she is helpful when in reality, her helpful advice usually involves something toxic or judgmental on her part.

Many women within my age group find that their mothers also are prone to giving unwelcomed advice that is judgmental and borders on “toxic”. The less we talk openly with them, the better we get along with our mothers. I say this as someone who always graduated Summa Laude (highest honor) and never have given my mother a reason to “worry”. The situation tends get worse as we have children as I’ve seen many of my friends in their mid-late 30s (I live in a big city where 99% of women work and postpone parenthood) complain about their mothers or in-laws giving unsolicited parenting advice under the guise of being “helpful” and the worst offenders have been known to threaten calling CPS as a way to control them.

I’m actually married as well and my monster-in-law is less judgmental than my mother but much more controlling and we don’t even have children yet.

If friends or even past (or present) love interests are speaking privately to law enforcement, that would be very helpful as there are a lot of women in their 20s and 30s that aren’t on the best terms with their mothers or MILs and most of them would not think they have a less than ideal relationship with them. Many women just try to “keep the peace” with them.
Given this, if there are any siblings, cousins, co-workers, etc. they may have more information than a mother or MIL. Social media and texts should also be looked into and LE is likely covering that. I believe friends may speak out as there’s more national pressure on the case.

Honestly, many working women and moms of today might not see their friends as often as they wish. Her friends may truly be in the dark.

 

[Madeleine74]

The public is not going to get their insatiable appetite assuaged in this or other cases until such time a case is fully litigated.

The public has been asked for any info leading to KB's whereabouts or info leading to finding her. Obviously what police believe, and rightly so, is that KB is deceased and has been since Nov 22nd. They aren't saying that, but their actions tell what they believe.

Outside of either verifiable info or seeing/hearing something directly, there's nothing else for the public to do. All the details of whatever is known and whatever has been determined remain with LE and will not be shared with the public during the investigation and as said, not until litigation of a case inside a courtroom.

Detectives have protocols and, in conjunction with the FBI, know how to investigate cases, and they are doing what they do, as professionals.

 

[Marli61]

One of the things that strikes me the most about this case is the lack of information...we know KB is missing, and that's about it. No one (that I am aware of) has come forward to say they saw her after Thanksgiving and I haven't seen any interviews with any of her friends that tell what KB was really like or how her relationship with PF was. Usually friends come out of the woodwork in cases like this and are all over the news begging for their friend to be found. Same with PF. No one has come forward to say what kind of person he was or how he treated KB. No lovers have come forward to claim they were having an affair with PF or KB. It's almost as if all the parties involved have put themselves under a self-imposed gag order.

This. Plus the comment by her cousin saying "it's a long story". Well hopefully someone is telling that "long story" to LE.

 

[Inthedetails]

... complain about their mothers or in-laws giving unsolicited parenting advice under the guise of being “helpful” and the worst offenders have been known to use a CPS call as a way to control them.

snipped by me.

Whoa. That is a terrible threat.

I don't see anything like that going on in this case.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 169742]

Honestly at this point we don’t even have evidence of a struggle or that she’s even missing not on her own behalf.

Excellent additions

We know she is missing



Eats cinnamon buns

And shopped Thursday morning

 

[alucardsdream]

From what I read KB’s mother say, it sounds like PF had financial difficulties. I can see her breaking up with him over finances.

To elaborate on my previous post, as a 20-something, my mother likes to believe she is helpful when in reality, her helpful advice usually involves something toxic or judgmental on her part.

Many women within my age group find that their mothers also are prone to giving unwelcomed advice that is judgmental and borders on “toxic”. The situation tends worse as we have children as I’ve seen many of my friends in their mid-late 30s (I live in a big city where 99% of women work and postpone parenthood) complain about their mothers or in-laws giving unsolicited parenting advice under the guise of being “helpful” and the worst offenders have been known to use a CPS call as a way to control them.

I'm in my 30s now, married at 23, and I consider my mom to be my best friend. (This certainly wasn't the case when I was a teenager!) Still, I admit that I do filter things sometimes before telling my mom...not because I don't trust her, but because I don't want her to worry. If my husband and I were having problems, I don't think I would tell her right away, not until I was absolutely sure that the marriage couldn't be fixed. KB may have felt the same way. She and PF could have been having problems, but if she still wasn't sure how things were going to end up, she may have made a conscious decision not to tell her mom no matter how close she was to her.

 

[Charlot123]

not sure if this is allowed, but is it me or is there something in his eyes that just makes your skin crawl? I know that's an obscure and vague way to evaluate someone, but there is something there that screams to me. I know it's a strange angle as the camera is above and they are looking up, but yikes - the creep factor!

I think there might be some intense nervous energy there, but he might be genuinely happy at the birth of a baby girl, this is it. He is not that young, and if it is his first child, he might be ecstatic, then this "gleam" is normal. I think I see something, but in can be explained by the circumstances.

 

[Inthedetails]

Excellent additions

We know she is missing

sent 2 texts

Eats cinnamon buns

And shopped Thursday morning

Well....we don't actually know she sent two texts. We know texts from her phone were received.

jmo

 

[NanZDrew]

I am very curious about KB's family 's relationship with PF. Were they here for the birth of the baby? Did KB & PF travel to Idaho to visit her parents/family? Did the parents/other relatives travel to Colorado to visit KB & baby? If they did, was PF included in the visit? If the baby is 15 months old she was born in mid 2017. If KB moved here in 2016, how long did she know PF before she moved here or did she move here & then meet him? I just get the feeling the extended family members don't know PF that well.

In the interview with the Mom, I wasn't sure what she said when they mentioned the grandchild, but it sounded like she hadn't met her yet or not in a long time, and wasn't sure if she would get to see her. Distance is tough.

 

[Deleted member 169742]

Well....we don't actually know she sent two texts. We know texts from her phone were received.

jmo

Lol ... thank you .. good point ... I struck that out

 

[bestill]

No news?

 

[Charlot123]

If the locals, clients and potential customers of PF, and people (even strangers) who care about Kelsey want to put pressure on PF to sit down with LE and answer their questions ... STOP DOING BUSINESS WITH HIS COMPANY/HIM AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO DO THE SAME.

Wait, what if he is not guilty? Someone else might be culpable, and we ask people to ruin his business? And in the meantime, he is the sole provider for the child.

I'd ask his close friend to come forward.

 

[NanZDrew]

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Thank you for sharing

That is big time

He was on this way for 3rd prize and slipped the rope on the last run

It tells me he has rodeo blood, character ... and likely rodeo cowboy attributes

Thanks again!

I did see where he was a member of a local rodeo group. It seemed to be very family oriented. Lots of young couples with young children.

 

[gitana1]

Wait, what if he is not guilty? Someone else might be culpable, and we ask people to ruin his business?

I'd ask his close friend to come forward.

I think they're suggesting pressuring him to talk to LE by refusing to do business with him. Not punishing him for harming Kelsey.

I don't know that I would suggest something like that but IMO someone who is not guilty should be able to sit down with police. Even with their attorney present.

I just feel like the truth will set you free.

 

[bestill]

Read that the ranch has been released by to the family. Does LE still have the truck?

 

[1wonderleads2another]

Excellent additions

We know she is missing



Eats cinnamon buns

And shopped Thursday morning

She has a child

She had intimate relations with PF at least once

They shared custody

She can fly a plane

She can drive a car