CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #9

[Bill Carson]

Go back and listen to the first press conference.
-Kelsey and her mom talked on the phone on Nov 22nd.
-Kelsey's mom called police for a wellness check at Kelsey's duplex on Nov 25th.
-Patrick and Kelsey's mom had some type of communication on Nov 25th.
-Kelsey's brother goes to Kelsey's duplex on Dec. 2nd and finds only her purse and keys missing.
-Missing person report filed at this time.

I don't know that the brother got there on December 2nd, but I'm not sure what day it was. It is surprising that we have not heard more from him since then.

 

[MyBelle]

The chief of police stated that the welfare check was on Dec 2. That's the same date that the mom called the fiance (Dec 2), and it's the same date the mom called LE (Dec 2), and it is the same date LE went to Kelsey's residence to look for her (Dec 2).

When the mom called the fiance on Dec 2, he told her about the text he received on Nov 25.

Reporters got it mixed up.

jmo

The media reported a Nov. 25 welfare check and I believe it accurate. Dec. 2 a missing person report was filed. It isn't the same thing and I'll continue to hold the opinion the reporters got it right. JMO

 

[Z88]

I just read something from another member that shoots a hole in one of my theories.

Do we know whether PF and CB had a telephone conversation on 11/25?

If CB was able to call PF and talk with him then that means it isn't possible that his phone was sitting powered off or unattended in Colorado while he traveled to Idaho to "create a ping". Put differently if CB was able to call PF then it creates an alibi for PF that he was located wherever the call records say he was at the time the call was made.

 

[1wonderleads2another]

Okay. I took my calcium today. Not speaking for anyone else. Or, is it clarification that we need?

LMBO I caught it about the time you posted , argh...,LOL and yes clarification

 

[tmar]

I don’t think the facts as you stated them are inconsistent with her leaving on her own. But you have to keep in mind the option you didn’t touch on, which is Kelsey leaving on her own but under false pretenses.

Kelsey’s house did not have a garage. And we know that the neighbors tended to be watchful. Nobody incapacitated Kelsey inside her house and then dragged her unconscious or dead body out to their vehicle in broad daylight, I don’t believe.

What makes the most sense to me is that someone invited Kelsey to go with them in their vehicle. Most likely they already had bad intent. She brought along her purse and cell phone out of habit, and because the other party was operating under false pretenses, they couldn’t stop her from doing so. And if I’m right about that, then police should eventually have data, if they don’t have it all ready, showing the phone leaving Kelsey‘s house and pinging of a series of cell towers sometime after the Safeway trip. And if PF is responsible for her disappearance, then he’s got to be concerned. Because there will be the telltale digital fingerprints of his phone and her phone pinging off the same cell towers at the same times. And this would run counter to his story that He picked up the baby and left.

If the last part of your paragraph happened, if PF (or other person), he/they may have intentionally left his/their phone at home, so there would be no tracking it.
MOO.

 

[Inthedetails]

Pommy will know.
You can also read thread #1 again. It is discussed there.

For anyone disbelieving that the investigation kicked off on DEC 2 when KB's mom contacted LE, here is the press conference with the chief of police stating that the welfare check was on DEC 2, which was conducted when the mom contacted them. (He calls the welfare check "community caretaker search.")

The fiance says he received a text from KB on Nov 25, but nobody knew about that until Dec 2.

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Worth listening to!!

jmo

 

[Jennifer17]

I thought the sheriff said he was cooperating?
Cooperating does not mean press conferences or reporting to sluethers times and dates of such cooperation.

It does usually mean that you will speak to LE, though.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Yes please we need clarification again....because if a well check was done on 11/25 which didn’t find KB, AND PF told CB on 11/25 that KB was headed to visit grandma AND CB then waited until 12/2 to report her missing (after one would think she followed up with KBs grandma) .....why did CB wait a week to report her missing ???

CB is not a suspect. She is a victim. She demonstrated that she is an appropriately worried mom by calling for a wellness check on Nov 25. Something happened that made her not feel so worried. I think that something was pile of horse dung told to her by PF.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes please we need clarification again....because if a well check was done on 11/25 which didn’t find KB, AND PF told CB on 11/25 that KB was headed to visit grandma AND CB then waited until 12/2 to report her missing (after one would think she followed up with KBs grandma) .....why did CB wait a week to report her missing ???

Because KB is a grown woman. LE agencies don't immediately launch searches for healthy adults and the last person to see KB claimed she texted him and was on her way to visit family. JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

The media reported a Nov. 25 welfare check and I believe it accurate. Dec. 2 a missing person report was filed. It isn't the same thing and I'll continue to hold the opinion the reporters got it right. JMO

Okay. I'm going to continue use the timeline that the chief of police outlined.

 

[MassGuy]

When you say, "he's made things a lot worse," do you mean from a public public perspective or a likelihood-of-prosecution perspective?

I mean obviously you are at least referring to a public perception perspective--we can all agree that he is taking a beating in the media, but he also has to worry about being wrongfully accused and arrested. (Presuming for the sake of this discussion that he is innocent.) It is such a minefield---surely he doesn't trust anyone but his lawyer, and he probably has doubts about him even.

Both. He’s made things worse from a PR perspective, that’s pretty clear.

Obviously, as you say, he has greater concerns than that, as his freedom is on the line.

But his initial behavior couldn’t have helped him in regards to scrutiny by law enforcement either.

When your partner is missing, you are invariably the initial focus.

When your partner is missing and you never reported her missing, you are in for a world of hurt.

You’d better have a plausible explanation for your actions.

If he does, law enforcement clearly isn’t buying it.

 

[MyBelle]

CB is not a suspect. She is a victim. She demonstrated that she is an appropriately worried mom by calling for a wellness check on Nov 25. Something happened that made her not feel so worried. I think that something was pile of horse dung told to her by PF.

So do I.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

For anyone disbelieving that the investigation kicked off on DEC 2 when KB's mom contacted LE, here is the press conference with the chief of police stating that the welfare check was on DEC 2, which was conducted when the mom contacted them. (He calls the welfare check "community caretaker search.")

The fiance says he received a text from KB on Nov 25, but nobody knew about that until Dec 2.

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Worth listening to!!

jmo

Thank you for finding this. It was discussed repeatedly on the thread #1 that there was a welfare check on Nov 25.

Kelsey Berreth was last seen in a Woodland Park Safeway grocery store on Nov. 22, but her family hadn't heard from her after that. Berreth's mother called police for a welfare check on Nov. 25, but she wasn't there.
Missing Woodland Park mother requested time off work

 

[MassGuy]

I just read something from another member that shoots a hole in one of my theories.

Do we know whether PF and CB had a telephone conversation on 11/25?

If CB was able to call PF and talk with him then that means it isn't possible that his phone was sitting powered off or unattended in Colorado while he traveled to Idaho to "create a ping". Put differently if CB was able to call PF then it creates an alibi for PF that he was located wherever the call records say he was at the time the call was made.

Then why is law enforcement focused on him?

If this is true, it still hasn’t taken any heat off of him. Atleast in the eyes of LE.

 

[Denvergirl]

I just read something from another member that shoots a hole in one of my theories.

Do we know whether PF and CB had a telephone conversation on 11/25?

If CB was able to call PF and talk with him then that means it isn't possible that his phone was sitting powered off or unattended in Colorado while he traveled to Idaho to "create a ping". Put differently if CB was able to call PF then it creates an alibi for PF that he was located wherever the call records say he was at the time the call was made.

I’ve been wondering this very same thing, haven’t been able to find any confirmation it was a bit I swear I’d read early on that she called him and he called her back.

 

[1wonderleads2another]

I have worked in schools and have requested LE do a welfare check on students. At least where I live the police don’t just do a welfare check and say ‘ no one home, oh well’ . They keep checking and keep communicating with family (or school . Work etc) the results. We often had students that it took two -three solid days to track them down (so about 6 visits by the officers patrolling their neighborhood )

I can’t imagine that CB would request 11/25 welfare check and then not follow up with filing a missing person report until 12/2 JMO ....

ETA: I also have had a friend get a welfare check from her work (she was ill and lives alone ) it took two visits for them to get her attention to get her to come to the door , so at least here (in another state) welfare checks continue until the police determine person is ok (whether adult or minor)

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Kelsey Berreth was last seen in a Woodland Park Safeway grocery store on Nov. 22, but her family hadn't heard from her after that. Berreth's mother called police for a welfare check on Nov. 25, but she wasn't there.

Missing Woodland Park mother requested time off work

 

[Lhughessk]

Go back and listen to the first press conference.
-Kelsey and her mom talked on the phone on Nov 22nd.
-Kelsey's mom called police for a wellness check at Kelsey's duplex on Nov 25th.
-Patrick and Kelsey's mom had some type of communication on Nov 25th.
-Kelsey's brother goes to Kelsey's duplex on Dec. 2nd and finds only her purse and keys missing.
-Missing person report filed at this time.

And here is where PF is going to run out of wiggle room, IMO. The timing of CB reaching out to him, and the timing of the texts, is too coincidental. Here’s what I think went down, and how it’s going to bite him in the butt:

NOV 22 - CB talks to KB and all is well.
NOV 23-24 - somewhere in here, I think CB is reaching out to KB to find out how the holiday went, the recipe, etc. KB isn’t answering.
NOV 25 - CB runs out of patience and calls PF to find out what’s up. He has to come up with something quick, so he makes up that she went on a long trip.
After he does this, he realizes he needs to buy time with something more than just his word that she told him her plans. So he sends the text from her phone to his phone after talking to CB so that he has “proof”.
Now it also dawns on him that his lie means KB is going to blow off going to work for at least a week. He is thinking that CB might call Doss just to see if KB requested time off. He is also thinking it might be smart to be proactive so Doss doesn’t come calling him when she doesn’t show up. So after sending the fake “I’m going on a trip” text, he sends the “I’m not coming in to work” text to Doss. This is all on the 25th, and the IDAHO ping happens because that’s where PK is. He turns on the phone so that he can send the fake texts. He does it from IDAHO to show that Kelsey is on her way to WA.
And once done, he disposes of the phone and drives back to CO.

But here is the thing. Over time, it’s going to become apparent that she really didn’t make that trip to grandma’s. His position would be that she just ran away from it all or else somebody did something to her. But what he won’t be able to explain is the timing of those texts! They happened right after CB went snooping; KB is not around because she is supposedly on her way to WA, so there is no way she would know that her mom is looking for her and contacting KB about it. Similarly, if someone has abducted her, they also don’t know that CB is reaching out to PF. But PF knows. He knows because he sees CB reaching out insistently and then finally calling him. And based on that knowledge, he sends a text. And to reinforce the lie perpetuated in that first text, he sends the second one, to Doss.

You know when there WEREN’T any texts? On the 23rd and 24th, I bet. Because maybe there wasn’t much if any pressure at that point to show “signs of life”. Maybe Mom has sent one text “how did the recipe turn out?” And he just leaves it unanswered. Or maybe he texts her from the road but refuses to have a voice conversation, and she grows suspicious that the texts don’t “sound” like Kelsey. By Sunday, she forces PF’s hand, the heat turns up and he has to do something. This is my speculation and it’s just my opinion.

 

[cody22]

I took late afternoon off from WS and missed 20 pages...anything new develop? I saw they did a follow up at his house today but anything else?

Nope...That's it.

 

[Bill Carson]

And they have looked at no other.
Today they went with force to probably return a book they took by accident.
They so want it to be him. Why?
What if he had nothing to do with her disappearance.
Then who???
The million dollar question. Who are 'they' protecting?

I don't know that they are protecting anyone (though it is possible). I think that police officers, like the rest of us, want to solve the case as quickly and easily as possible. They want the spotlight and pressure off of them. They want to go back to a normal routine and spend time with their families for the holidays. In other words, I wouldn't accuse the police of having a malicious intent, but they can get lazy and latch on to the wrong theory of what happened, and then everything they look for after that is viewed with the idea of confirming the initial conclusion. We all do that. But PF has more on the line than anyone else.

I think about Michael Morton and Cameron Todd Willingham at times like this.