CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #9

[1mtroyal]

Long ago we talked about the possibility of her phone being thrown in the back of a semi. It seems to me that you could write a text and select when to send. If so, the text could have been rewritten and set to activate on the route to Gooding or WA. That would throw off the trail.

Then, when the semi driver found it he might want to return it to its owner. Or he finds it 100 miles up the road and turns it in to the police to find its owner.

 

[Seattle1]

The majority seem to be pointing the finger at PF (and I tend to agree) but I’m curious if there’s anyone who believes KB left on her own accord or that someone else (not PF) is responsible?

Statistically, the odds of young mother leaving and essentially abandoning her 1 year old daughter without contact in 3 plus weeks are pretty slim, and not be an option according to KB's family. It's always possible that KB could be abducted, but it's the suspicious behavior of PF that overrule this for me. I believe LE agrees, and based on reliable information showing probable cause, a judge signed a search warrant related to PF. Waiting patiently to see what investigation reveals. MOO

 

[calvinshobbes]

I am wondering about what generated the reward money. Did the police offer the reward on their own or did somebody out in the public volunteer to offer the reward money? It seems early in the investigation for reward money. If I knew anything, I would have said something long ago.

According to police, it was an anonymous donor that offered the reward for the location OR safe return of KB
Anonymous donor offering $25,000 for information leading to missing mom, Kelsey Berreth

 

[sun16]

Yes. And to clarify, as I read some posts contending the animal abuse stuff is nonsense, training a dog is not the issue. Beating animals or training with extreme force or fear, is.

Those of us who saw the dog "training" video saw something wrong. Scared six month old dogs that he seemed to relish calling "", which, yes, I know is a technical, dog breeding term and innocuous, but which he seemed to take some odd pleasure in using, (I can't explain that. It's his tone and emphasis. Just weird), chained on short chains to a fence, being made to lunge at a terrified group of calves.

As to the allegations by others of animal abuse, some keep insisting that one person making that allegation means nothing. It's not one person. It's two people with exceedingly detailed observations. And a third person who said he has heard mixed reports about PF's treatment of animals.

So there is some evidence from three, separate sources that he has a temper and a streak of cruelty.

And no, this isn't about differing attitudes toward animals, depending on whether you are a tough cowboy or not. Yes, ranchers brand and castrate animals and that stuff is brutal. But that is different from beating a horse out of anger or terrorizing animals you don't use for meat, as a form of "training".

Also, someone said of this was true he wouldn't have a business. Well KB's mother reported that the couple weren't getting married due to financial issues. It's a small ranch and it doesn't seem this dude who lives with mommy, had much.

I'd say maybe his business wasn't doing so well.

But abusers may not treat someone else's children or animals with the sameviolence that they treat their own. That doesn't mean they aren't violent.



On another note, comments by a baby or toddler can and have been used against a perp whether or not the child is old enough to be interviewed. The last thing PF would want, IMO, is his baby saying "mama owwie" to her grandmother.

In the Jason Young case Michelle Young's two year old daughter played with dolls at daycare after the murder and talked about mommy having boo boos all over and getting "spanked" for biting. She acted out with two dolls, one hitting the other.

The daycare worker was allowed to testify to this and to reenact what she saw with the dolls:

Teacher: Daughter re-enacted Michelle Young's death with dolls :: WRAL.com

I love you (in the internet kind of way—ha) and your level-headed reasonableness. Seriously.

 

[alibrarian]

Trying to catch up, sorry if this was discussed.

Since it is possible to schedule texts using scheduling apps, is it possible PF received the same text as the employer? The employer and PF receiving the same text about taking a week off would indicate they were most likely scheduled to be sent.

Do we know what type of phone KB has - Apple or Android? It's also possible to text from a computer when logged into Messages for iPhone

 

[HayLouise]

Ira Cronin‏Verified account @iracronin

As search for Kelsey Berreth continues with no answers, we are working to learn more about her from neighbors and family. @KOAA

Ira Cronin on Twitter

 

[Irmese]

I think that it was informal as well. If he put his name on the birth certificate, he would be presumed to be the father, and it would have been up to them to pursue a custody agreement. If the baby was with the dad during working days, he would be saving day care expenses and also be providing food and other necessities. Sounds like she had a good job and could handle her end just fine.

I wonder how happy he was about providing babycare while KB worked. I suspect an old-fashioned cowboy might be a little frustrated with that. Even the most loving parents can be less baby-centric, more thinking of what they need to get done. I would bet his Mom was the one actually taking care of K. She's just now 15 mos. old and I can't see him having her out with him all day.

 

[HayLouise]

Alasyn KOAA 5‏ @alasynzimmerman

Good morning! On #News5Today-- @SamKraemerTV spoke with one of Kelsey Berreth's neighbors about what happened the day she disappeared:

Alasyn KOAA 5 on Twitter

Neighbor: Kelsey Berreth is ‘a very kind-hearted person’

Neighbor: Kelsey Berreth is ‘a very kind-hearted person’

(Video at link)

 

[SharonNeedles]

The majority seem to be pointing the finger at PF (and I tend to agree) but I’m curious if there’s anyone who believes KB left on her own accord or that someone else (not PF) is responsible?

Yes, I do. I certainly believe she left her home on her own accord, but at this point I don’t believe she left town and remained missing on her own. I believe somebody else (not PF) is responsible.

 

[Seattle1]

I am wondering about what generated the reward money. Did the police offer the reward on their own or did somebody out in the public volunteer to offer the reward money? It seems early in the investigation for reward money. If I knew anything, I would have said something long ago.

Over the years, I've come to the opinion that rewards are instrumental in keeping the missing person in the news, and generating leads. However, the promise of cash can also generate a lot of tips that are not credible, wasting time and resources. They seldom lead to an arrest, or locating the missing person, but I think they can help rule out people by thorough investigation of tips. It was reported that the reward for KB was provided by an anonymous party. MOO

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Yes, I do. I certainly believe she left her home on her own accord, but at this point I don’t believe she left town and remained missing on her own. I believe somebody else (not PF) is responsible.

Same. I think she left with no sign of struggle, which implies knowing the person she left with. I don't know if she took a road trip to Idaho with someone willingly. Or if that was part of the cover up. But I suspect she came to harm at some point after getting into that person's vehicle (however long the trip was). And that they disposed of her in some rural area where it will be difficult to find her.

PF certainly seems like a likely candidate, although I recognize there can be other parties with motive too (exes, someone who was obsessed w/her, neighbors, co-workers, clients & so on)...

Was interesting that someone discovered the rodeo competitions PF does has an arena in Gooding. I don't know if he ever competed there, but if he did, they both could have been familiar with that area to some extent.

 

[Irmese]

But Kelsey may care more about pleasing her mother. I always wanted to live up to my parents expectations. I have a brother that seemed to delight in shocking them.

I don't think so. Kelsey moved away from her parents to pursue a relationship and had a baby before marriage. She's a mature woman who thinks for herself. Her mother seems to have accepted that. From what I've seen, I think KB and CB have a good, mature relationship. PF's family relationships are way more concerning to me. He's still living with Mommy, not able to live with KB. JMO.

 

[happyday]

I've lived in Texas my whole life and I know a lot of rodeo people--some really nice people mostly. But I will say there is an element within that culture that can be pretty rough. I have been warned by multiple friends in that world to not let my very horsey 15 year old daughter hang out in that environment. There can be a lot of drugs and what I would call violence.
We know a young woman who is dating a roper & he & his teenage sons who are also pro rodeo guys are abusive to her. It's terrible & many of us have made it clear we're here for her. I worry for her.
Also, we adopted an ex roping horse & he is SO damaged from all the abuse in his past! You can't even pet his head or face b/c he thinks he's going to be punched in the face! Very sad.
I don't want to sound like I'm slamming a whole group of people so I've been reluctant to say anything, but I do think there CAN be a pretty macho vibe in that world.

 

[Irmese]

Perhaps it is not the morality of having a child out of wedlock or living together before marriage. Perhaps KB's family has forbidden her to marry PF because they think he is not good enough for her.

The interviewer asked CB about the relationship between KB and PF; I wish they would have asked about CB's relationship with PF.

Perhaps PF's family objects to the marriage. It appears that he is expected to stay with his mother, and I think the financial downturn in his business was an excuse for that. PF's family might think KB used the baby to get her hooks in him.

 

[Kapua]

The majority seem to be pointing the finger at PF (and I tend to agree) but I’m curious if there’s anyone who believes KB left on her own accord or that someone else (not PF) is responsible?

Left on her own is inconsistent with the few facts we know. Here's what I have so far:

- KB and child went to Safeway around 12:30 MST on 11/22, as evidenced by store video.
- Her cars were parked in her driveway as of 12/2, as reported by her brother.
- Her suitcases and cosmetics were not removed from her home, as reported by her brother.
- Her purse and cell phone are missing, too.
- PF has the child that KB was last seen with.
- KB's phone sent two texts on 11/25, one to her boss and one to PF
- CB, KB's mom reported her missing on 12/2.- Phone ping in Gooding, ID on 11/25 at 5:13pm
- Cinnamon rolls were left out on the counter

If she left on her own, she left with her purse and without her child or her two cars. That implies that PF did indeed "pick up the child" (or she dropped her off). So yes, another person is remotely possible if you believe 1) that on her day off, KB voluntarily left K in the care of PF, and 2) she left home with only her purse/cell phone (how?) and not her cars/makeup/fresh cinnamon rolls.

 

[Irmese]

Did Kelsey's Aunt state that Kelsey and her boyfriend had broke up? If so, is there reason to doubt this is true?

It kind of looks like this is what PF told CB, which is where the aunt got it from. It's his version of "an emotional conversation." I believe LE didn't want any details of that call released to the public.

 

[Seattle1]

17 December 2018

Her neighbor also provided some context that could help investigators about what happened Thanksgiving Day, saying they saw another red truck at the house. Berreth owns two cars — a red Chevy pickup and a small sedan — according to Stanfill.

Patrick Frazee, Berreth’s fiance, also owns a red pickup truck.

“I looked up there, and there was both red pickups there Thanksgiving Day. And that was from 12:30 [p.m.] to 1 p.m.,” the neighbor said. “The other two cars were parked with the vehicles facing the apartment, but his was parked sideways behind them.”

The neighbor said they never saw anybody on Thanksgiving Day, but having lived there while Berreth has over the last two years, they said they’ve seen the pickup before. They’ve also seen a man driving the pickup that has come and gone from the home to pick up or drop off a baby.

That information aligns with what Frazee told police through his attorney, saying he picked up their 1-year-old daughter some time that day.
Neighbor: Kelsey Berreth is ‘a very kind-hearted person’

 

[Gone Girl]

This post lands at random. I have sat silent while many posters have consistently bashed PF for still living with his mother. Now while I would never defend his alleged animal care behavior, his living with his mother, especially if she is in need of help should not be used to criticize him. My brother lived with our mom to help her until he died unexpectedly. He was single with no children and frankly was the only place available for years. He was a wonderful man and animal lover I might add. I just would like to share that it’s not always Norman Bates types that stay at home with their mothers. I find these comments very hurtful.

 

[susiQ]

Mom was far, far away. She only knew what Kelsey told her. I think that Kelsey was probably trying to please her mother, and keep her from worrying.

OR, sweet Kelsey didn't know how bad things were until HE ended it?

 

[Hatfield]

17 December 2018

Her neighbor also provided some context that could help investigators about what happened Thanksgiving Day, saying they saw another red truck at the house. Berreth owns two cars — a red Chevy pickup and a small sedan — according to Stanfill.

Patrick Frazee, Berreth’s fiance, also owns a red pickup truck.

“I looked up there, and there was both red pickups there Thanksgiving Day. And that was from 12:30 [p.m.] to 1 p.m.,” the neighbor said. “The other two cars were parked with the vehicles facing the apartment, but his was parked sideways behind them.”

The neighbor said they never saw anybody on Thanksgiving Day, but having lived there while Berreth has over the last two years, they said they’ve seen the pickup before. They’ve also seen a man driving the pickup that has come and gone from the home to pick up or drop off a baby.

That information aligns with what Frazee told police through his attorney, saying he picked up their 1-year-old daughter some time that day.
Neighbor: Kelsey Berreth is ‘a very kind-hearted person’

Interesting and this seems to confirm he was physically at her house that day. I wonder if he always parked sideways or if that was unusual.

"“I looked up there, and there was both red pickups there Thanksgiving Day. And that was from 12:30 [p.m.] to 1 p.m.,” the neighbor said. “The other two cars were parked with the vehicles facing the apartment, but his was parked sideways behind them.”

Neighbor: Kelsey Berreth is ‘a very kind-hearted person’