CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

[katydid23]

I thought that the sister was the one who posted about her drug addiction, that she has ran away before and left PF in charge of the baby, that she wasn't reliable, she was a liar, she was seeing some guy at her job and maybe she ran off with him. She went full throttle on here and elsewhere, saying the same things, spreading all BS. She also asked for her posts to be removed on here later on- maybe just as PF was about to get arrested or right after?

It was like a Deja Vu of the Watts sister when she was our friendly VI.

 

[Gardener1850]

I believe the camera to literally be from the next door neighbor. faces right at KB door. I can't remember if the fencing blocks his bottom half or the camera only captures the top half. But from memory, I only remember top half. (sorry, I was so stunned that these picture existed that I probably didn't focus enough on them)

So perhaps you are right that this is how he got the tote out.

I'd love to see the pictures of KK entering and leaving with her bags of trash. They HAVE to exist.

Thank you! I believe I know where the camera is located. We had extensive conversations about it on the thread and a local walked by and posted photos where we could see a camera on the neighbor's house. Not sure which thread that was (if anyone else remembers, please link).
I have been picturing it as the fence blocking view of the lower half of his body ever since that conversation here. Hopefully all these photos will be released to the public when the trial is over. MOO.

 

[Steelslady]

BBM:

KB lost a baby? I don't remember this bit about a prior pregnancy at all.

Does anyone else?

No I don't remember that either. Interesting. Now, was that the first time she was pregnant or the second time? Obviously PF didn't tell MaF either time that she was pregnant.

 

[MassGuy]

It was like a Deja Vu of the Watts sister when she was our friendly VI.

For clarity, PF’s sister wasn’t a VI here. She just came in to lie, prop up PF, and bash Kelsey.

It is an absolute fact that it was his sister though, and not some imposter.

But it was “like Deja Vu all over again.”

 

[Steelslady]

Well that certainly sounds like her, and the timing is right. She disappeared right after PF’s arrest.

She also managed to get an accurate news article edited, to remove the identification of her brother as a police officer.

Awe- you went all soft on her, then. I commend you for that, lol! Yes, I do recall her being angry about her other brother being brought into "this mess" and she was going to correct it- didn't she say something about suing if they didn't remove him from the article?

That definitely was her, then. She didn't give a whiff about Kelsey being missing. Nasty one- like Ma like Da.

 

[GoJacks]

I remember her brother saying a long time ago, that he had a condo key because he came to visit before, and would arrive before she came back from work. So he could come and go. IIRC

Wasn't mentioned, but CB basically confirmed that they bought the condo for KB so wouldn't be odd that they had keys.

Edit: oops I quoted the wrong person, but you get the point.

No I don't remember that either. Interesting. Now, was that the first time she was pregnant or the second time? Obviously PF didn't tell MaF either time that she was pregnant.

SF noticed when she was pregnant with Kaylee.
This is how it got brought up.
CB was talking about SF finding out KB was pregnant
Viehman: Pregnant with Kaylee, correct?
CB: Yes, but KB was pregnant the year before but lost it around Thanksgiving.
No mention if SF knew about first pregnancy.

 

[GoJacks]

It was like a Deja Vu of the Watts sister when she was our friendly VI.

And just like the Watt's case, neighbors cameras are going to doom him!

but in all seriousness, I remember she wasn't too friendly. I believe she was mad people were posting her brother was LE. I'm trying to find her posts now but I guess they're gone.

Didn't the brother's wife come here as well???

 

[MassGuy]

And just like the Watt's case, neighbors cameras are going to doom him!

but in all seriousness, I remember she wasn't too friendly. I believe she was mad people were posting her brother was LE. I'm trying to find her posts now but I guess they're gone.

Didn't the brother's wife come here as well???

No. I initially misidentified her as being his brother’s wife, but she corrected me.

 

[gitana1]

While I don't doubt Kelsey probably wished at times she could leave, I don't think that was in the works. If a couple parts ways, neither parent is able to simply move away with their child unless the other parent agrees to it or the court allows it...which they usually don't.

Kelsey being able to move away while maintaining custody of baby K was about as likely as PF being successful in taking primary physical custody away from Kelsey without a valid reason for such a change.

Please note, I'm not an attorney. My sister is and used to handle alot of ugly custody cases.

Also, Kelsey had just purchased her place in May. So IMHO she wasn't going anywhere at that point.

I don’t know that I agree with this. The alternative to allowing a mother of a young baby to leave an area with the young baby is to take the baby from her and place the child with dad. You can’t force a parent not to move. All you can do is take the kid from the parent who does so.

But if Kelsey had a lack of family support in CO and needed to be closer to work, I believe she could’ve prevailed depending on the circumstances. Move away cases are not uncommon and it’s not true that the courts usually don’t allow it. Every state has different rules but CO like most is governed ultimately by the best interest of the child standard.

What’s more important is what PF believed.
I’m betting he talked to a family law attorney before he killed Kelsey.

From early on, as I’ve posted before, I got the sense that this was an insular, dysfunctional family. PF lived with his mama and her little man could do no wrong. I said earlier that I thought they are the type to view children as possessions and not part of the other person who made the child. I think Ma Frazee believed this grandchild was hers and they wanted KB out of the picture with no control or influence and no ability to move the child away or raise her.

 

[GoJacks]

No. I initially misidentified her as being his brother’s wife, but she corrected me.

Ahh! That was it.

and also I found her. @mariposa29
only 2 of her messages are left.

here's one:

Any updates? Are they thinking Kelsey left on her own? Dectective said that if she just left by choice to let them know and they would leave her alone in the news clip I saw.

pretending like she doesn't know and only saw in the news.

and 2nd one:

Just spoke to Gazette and let them know.

Kind of sad to see people’s name crucified because they share the same last name.

Let the Gazette correct their inaccuracies.

Until then Kelsey we know you need help and your baby is being taken care of. We can promise you that.

This media attention might scare her into not wanting to come home.

Please God bring Kelsey home!


and umm.....gazette wasn't even wrong, like @MassGuy mentioned.

 

[MassGuy]

Ahh! That was it.

and also I found her. @mariposa29
only 2 of her messages are left.

here's one:

Any updates? Are they thinking Kelsey left on her own? Dectective said that if she just left by choice to let them know and they would leave her alone in the news clip I saw.

pretending like she doesn't know and only say in the news.

and 2nd one:

Just spoke to Gazette and let them know.

Kind of sad to see people’s name crucified because they share the same last name.

Let the Gazette correct their inaccuracies.

Until then Kelsey we know you need help and your baby is being taken care of. We can promise you that.

This media attention might scare her into not wanting to come home.

Please God bring Kelsey home!


and umm.....gazette wasn't even wrong, like @MassGuy mentioned.

Ha! I know. It caused confusion because they obliged, and cut it from the article without explanation.

In fairness, I don’t think they had a complete picture of the family tree here, and decided to play it safe.

 

[Colorado303]

I have to wonder if she maybe believed all the lies her brother told her. 'His baby was being abused by the crazy Baby Mama, he doesn't know what to do to save the poor child--mom is negligent and a drunk, it's not his fault...'

This is the sister that insisted KB go stand outside because she refused to be in the same house with her. IMO not misguided, just wicked.

 

[k-mac]

I said before and I'll say it again- he was trying to set KK up for the fall. I mean really, drag the garbage can down the street and do what with it, exactly? Put it in front of one of the neighbor's houses until trash day?

When I think about it- his DNA would be all over that condo, just from visiting Kelsey and the baby. So his fingerprints wouldn't be suspect there at all.

How convenient that he wanted this done at Kelsey's condo and tried to get KK to do the deed three times, each time, she didn't go through with it. KK's prints would have no business being in Kelsey's condo, they weren't friends or related. I sincerely doubt that KK had latex gloves on when she handed Kelsey the coffee, right? Do we picture KK wearing latex gloves while arriving at Kelsey's door, holding a bat or a pipe in her hands?

PF in my eyes, wanted a 2 for 1- murder of Kelsey with KK in jail for life for her murder. He figured he'd be rid of them both and free to move on to his next victim, I mean hooker, in line.

Scum bag.

pf seems quite vengeful.

it didn't come as a surprise to me that he was begging kk the night before she married her husband not to.
imo kk was his 'one' and he was punishing her for marrying another man.

think there might have been a complicated space when PF had pregnated KB and KK suddenly made an appearance.

moo

 

[gitana1]

Absolutely. She and I get along famously.
CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #2

Looking back I’m reminded of how happy I was when the baby was removed from that family. My God. Whoever that was was bashing Kelsey for “continuing her career” instead of caring for the baby and saying how PF was the “best daddy ever” for working and caring for the baby.

 

[?mysterian?]

No, I meant drawings of evidence to be presented to the jury, instead of these new-fangled photographs! Why use 21st Century technology when the old ways work JUST FINE??

I couldn’t control my sarcasm. The judge is being ridiculous.

Oh, ok. Sorry, I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[gitana1]

pf seems quite vengeful.

it didn't come as a surprise to me that he was begging kk the night before she married her husband not to.
imo kk was his 'one' and he was punishing her for marrying another man.

think there might have been a complicated space when PF had pregnated KB and KK suddenly made an appearance.

moo

I was actually surprised by this. I took him as someone who strung KK along and never really cared for any woman. I think mama was the number one woman in his life.

 

[MassGuy]

I was actually surprised by this. I took him as someone who strung KK along and never really cared for any woman. I think mama was the number one woman in his life.

That was my impression as well. I figured that he used her for his own purposes, but there weren’t any romantic type feelings there.

Norman doesn’t need any woman other than Norma.

 

[gitana1]

Random things.
Not sure we can talk about the jury, so if not just let me know and I'll delete.
Mostly older jury, predominantly (if not all) white.
Most of the men looked like farmers. (JMO)

CC was in attendance. Actually walked right past me as I entered the court house (and um no they won't let you walk through the circus tent, guarding it like it's Area 51)
Was there ever a picture of RS released? From description, I'd say RS was sitting next to CC but i can't confirm, because I've never seen a picture of him to my knowledge.

I have no idea what PF's sister or brother really look like. So also don't know if they were there. Like I mentioned before, SF was waiting outside the court room and watched as PF walked in.
CB and DB sat front row, a couple other people next to them. Didn't recognize them.

That worries me a little. I know there were some on here who really identified with PF and had a hard time seeing him as the type who would do something like this. An outsider like KB isn’t going to be one of their own.

 

[gitana1]

CB mentioned today the only time KB talked about moving was Doss had mentioned they might be opening a new place in Idaho and KB said she would be interested in that. Something about how Doss in Pueblo was like a level 1 and this would be a level 2 and thus a better job?
It also wasn't confirmed at all that Doss was opening up a new place and just speculation.

Maybe the bottom line was PF didn’t want to continue the charade or pretending to want to marry her and co-parent with her but if he broke it off with KB he’d be afraid she’d leave. So he played along and just killed her.

Or maybe he just didn’t want to share his possession with KB even if she didn’t try to leave.

 

[Colorado303]

Wasn't mentioned, but CB basically confirmed that they bought the condo for KB so wouldn't be odd that they had keys.

Edit: oops I quoted the wrong person, but you get the point.



SF noticed when she was pregnant with Kaylee.
This is how it got brought up.
CB was talking about SF finding out KB was pregnant
Viehman: Pregnant with Kaylee, correct?
CB: Yes, but KB was pregnant the year before but lost it around Thanksgiving.
No mention if SF knew about first pregnancy.

Just noticed your tent avatar. Love it!!!! Betcha KK (KLK, KL, whatever) gets to enter through the special tent too since she’s only slightly less likely to get lynched than he is.