CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

[MassGuy]

Wow, so she was thrown out twice at MaF's house.

Then she had to stand outside on the deck whenever PF's sister visited MaF's ranch?

To me, it sounds like he groomed Kelsey- she truly didn't know him at all when she moved out with him.

He also fed the negativity to his family, in my opinion. He obviously didn't love her enough to stand up to his mother and sister! They probably thought that Kelsey "trapped" him by getting pregnant, to which in MaF's eyes, proved her point about Kelsey being a hooker. See where this went? That scum bag treated women like trash- even KK, who he was having an affair with, he demanded her to come and clean up his mess at the condo! He pits these women against one another. I'm just willing to bet that PF made it sound like Kelsey begged him to help move her out there, things weren't good at home, blah blah.

Now we know for a fact that the sister clearly hated Kelsey- her posts on here certainly wasn't kind and sympathetic, but hostile filled.

Thanks so much for this report. We are being spoiled by your summary tonight. Much appreciated!

It’s the exact same dynamic we saw in the Watts case.

Overbearing mother who can’t stand her son’s significant other.

A son who will go out of his way to please his mother.

A sister who sides with the mother, and acts as an evil extension of her.

And funny enough, both vile creatures were kind enough to grace us with their presence on here.

ETA @Colorado303 Ha! Our heads are in the same place.

 

[GoJacks]

Thanks for your brilliant coverage @GoJacks!

I get the feeling that reporters under the major news networks are under some internal controls imposed by headquarters because of the strict Decorum Order by the Court.

Only one independent Journalist broke ranks today, tweeting mid-afternoon-- obviously departing from the parameters of the courthouse property early.

MOO

Speaking of the Decorum...it's posted EVERYWHERE in the courthouse. Like you can't look at a wall and not see it. They even have it out on like a stand. And it's the first thing Sells brought up in court.

(there was a 15 minute break, I was surprised because it seemed like most of the media stayed in the court house...only saw a few bolt out the doors)

And I saw a few members of the media trickle out early.

Speaking of the court house. Every loud car that passes by, makes it hard to hear. The chairs are those ancient wood fold down chairs. My buttocks was not having a good time. The entrance to the court room is on the side, so makes it awkward as everyone has to either pass through the front or try to slide past people in these tiny rows of seats.

I understand why he is not letting people back in if they leave.

 

[GordianKnot]

So the defense actually sees the handwriting on the wall (of the cracked house)!

Looks like they may have a plan to plea at some point or they're just rushing things along so they can get out of town for Thanksgiving.

I hope they step it up a bit so we don't get the trial overturned due to ineffective counsel.

BBM:

That may in fact be their actual defense strategy.

Frankly, it's the only one with any shot at winning, the fact that they'd have to win it on appeal, notwithstanding.

JMO.

 

[MemPat]

These Frazees are some crazies, that's for sure.

At the risk of going all conspiracy-theory here, would you be surprised if Patrick just used Kelsey to get a baby?

Would he have continued to meet women online and have babies with them to populate Mama's ranch?

Would they too disappear?

Since the brother and sister weren't interested in working for the family business, maybe this was going to be Patrick's way of keeping it all going for Mama?

It gives me the creeps to even consider and it has the makings of a Twilight Zone episode but I'm not sure it's too big a stretch to believe it!

 

[MsBetsy]

Wow, so she was thrown out twice at MaF's house.

Then she had to stand outside on the deck whenever PF's sister visited MaF's ranch?

To me, it sounds like he groomed Kelsey- she truly didn't know him at all when she moved out with him.

He also fed the negativity to his family, in my opinion. He obviously didn't love her enough to stand up to his mother and sister! They probably thought that Kelsey "trapped" him by getting pregnant, to which in MaF's eyes, proved her point about Kelsey being a hooker. See where this went? That scum bag treated women like trash- even KK, who he was having an affair with, he demanded her to come and clean up his mess at the condo! He pits these women against one another. I'm just willing to bet that PF made it sound like Kelsey begged him to help move her out there, things weren't good at home, blah blah.

Now we know for a fact that the sister clearly hated Kelsey- her posts on here certainly wasn't kind and sympathetic, but hostile filled.

Thanks so much for this report. We are being spoiled by your summary tonight. Much appreciated!

I think I must have started following the case around the time the sister stopped posting.
Was she pushing the story that Kelsey was not a good mother and that she probably ran off?

 

[MassGuy]

I think I must have started following the case around the time the sister stopped posting.
Was she pushing the story that Kelsey was not a good mother and that she probably ran off?

It was basically a hit and run. Kelsey is unstable, the police aren’t doing anything, the media is lying, Patrick is a loving father, help get the word out, blah blah blah.

I politely asked her why her family wasn’t helping in the search efforts, to which she responded something to the effect of “pray for Kelsey.”

She also said that all this attention would make Kelsey scared to return home.

 

[Steelslady]

While I don't doubt Kelsey probably wished at times she could leave, I don't think that was in the works. If a couple parts ways, neither parent is able to simply move away with their child unless the other parent agrees to it or the court allows it...which they usually don't.

Kelsey being able to move away while maintaining custody of baby K was about as likely as PF being successful in taking primary physical custody away from Kelsey without a valid reason for such a change.

Please note, I'm not an attorney. My sister is and used to handle alot of ugly custody cases.

Also, Kelsey had just purchased her place in May. So IMHO she wasn't going anywhere at that point.

Well, just going by Cheryl's testimony today and things she said, it sounds to me like the Berreth's wanted Kelsey to have her own home instead of renting. A place where she wouldn't have to worry about moving every few months, especially with a baby and they live so far away. I truly believe that was the Berreth's doing, that she got that condo.

I don't think he could have stopped Kelsey from moving closer to her job, at least. Fathers have moved away and maintained partial custody. Perhaps she couldn't move back closer to her family, as that is out of state.

Just going by today's testimony and things that came out today that we weren't aware of, I have a feeling the Berreth's were worried about their daughter, and she knew it. She may have been trying to put on a brave face in front of them, to not worry them.

 

[katydid23]

okay part 2

Thanksgiving day.
CB talks to KB a couple times in the morning, probably around 9am. Mentions her and PF are going out to eat for thanksgiving, probably later in the day. Mentions she's tired because she was up all night because PF was sick. PF had stomach ulcers which caused him issues sometimes.
KB asked for recipe for bread dip? Family favorite. CB sent her a picture of the recipe.
Never mentioned any sort of argument with PF. Nothing unusual about relationship that day.
CB mentions that KB said she made cinnamon rolls but baby kb wanted honey nut cheerios instead.
Last convo CB had w/KB was about baby having poop explosions (lol)
CB actually TEXTED PF "happy thanksgiving I heard you're sick, hope you feel better" PF responded happy thanksgiving back. (cb very choked up during this part)

CB was with son and busy moving things from WA to ID during this time so didn't think much of not being in contact with KB
CB accidentally called KB on 11/24. got text back that said "ill call tom" never got a call or text after this.
CB mentioned KB worked long hours M,T,Th, so when she didn't hear from her she wasn't THAT concerned, became concerned on Friday because she knew KB wasn't working and it was unusual to go that long without talking to her.

Went through KB's fb friends list and messaged all her Doss employers. One responded saying KB took the week off, said she would be back on Mon.
She called PF, had a long 20~ min convo with him. PF explained they had been arguing a lot and KB wanted to go her separate way.
She found this odd because KB mentioned no such thing.
She said well will you at least go check on her. He said he was checking cows and KB wouldn't want to see him. CB said, I don't care if she doesn't want to see you I just want to know she is okay. It's at this time CB says she realizes where is baby. Asks PF, says he has baby and KB told him to keep baby until she figures things out.

Brother convinces CB to call police. They tell her no sign her at apt but her cars are out front. CB and brother wait till Mon, if KB doesn't show up for work they have a flight scheduled to go to CO. KB doesn't show up for work.
CB & brother fly to CO (while at airport she was informed KB's phone pinged in ID), take an uber to her house thinking they won't need a rental car. PF had mentioned he gave her all her keys back so they believed they could just use one of her cars if they needed it. No keys of any sort at condo.
Found the house odd, cinnamon rolls left on counter uncovered. "hard as a rock" -cb
*Showed a picture of the infamous cinnamon rolls
her and brother went through KB's things, didn't notice anything missing. Said KB wouldn't leave the house without these things.
Mentioned that it looked like the house had been wiped down. Noticed it on the couch and stove when the light hit.

I think that's about where they ended it for the day.

*also this reminded me in opening statements they showed pictures of the floor panels tore up where they found blood and blood stains they found behind couch cushions.

*also this reminded me in opening statements they showed pictures of the floor panels tore up where they found blood and blood stains they found behind couch cushions



Yes^^^^^----there goes the defense theory that the crime scene wasn't in the condo

 

[katydid23]

^^SBBM

Thank you, thank you!! We have confirmation that CB present for baby K birth.

And CB likely able to testify about chaos PF caused at the hospital!

YES. And also to testify against that stupid lie he was telling, about KB running off and abandoning the baby at the hospital. He told many people that, to turn them against KB.

 

[Steelslady]

This just breaks my heart to hear that Kelsey was treated this way. Being called a hooker and made to sit on the porch? That is just cold-hearted and cruel. MOO

Pathetic bunch, aren't they?

I wonder, did they ever treat PF's sister or brother's dates/boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse this way, or just Kelsey?

She truly was an outsider and they couldn't have made it more obvious than if they put her in a catapult and landed her on the next continent.

As I said before, they couldn't hold a candle to her. She was classy, smart, educated, independent and ambitious. She didn't need them or PF to survive. She came from a religious background and appeared to be a gentle and humble young lady.

That poor woman.

 

[Steelslady]

BBM:

From your notes above:

"CB mentioned that also whenever PF's sister was @ SF house, KB was forced to stay outside on the deck. (lovely family)"
______________________

I'd like to issue an open and public invitation for PF's sister to rejoin this thread at any time.

Please. Do it.

J.M.O.

Nooooooooo. Not if you like me. Or I'll be booted so fast from WS. I mean it. Do not invite her back. Or I'll PM a Mod and have me temporarily banned from the site to do some extra fall cleaning. I don't like this family and my posts would reflect that and then some. I wouldn't be able to hold back...

 

[katydid23]

It was basically a hit and run. Kelsey is unstable, the police aren’t doing anything, the media is lying, Patrick is a loving father, help get the word out, blah blah blah.

I politely asked her why her family wasn’t helping in the search efforts, to which she responded something to the effect of “pray for Kelsey.”

She also said that all this attention would make Kelsey scared to return home.

I have to wonder if she maybe believed all the lies her brother told her. 'His baby was being abused by the crazy Baby Mama, he doesn't know what to do to save the poor child--mom is negligent and a drunk, it's not his fault...'

 

[MsBetsy]

Well, just going by Cheryl's testimony today and things she said, it sounds to me like the Berreth's wanted Kelsey to have her own home instead of renting. A place where she wouldn't have to worry about moving every few months, especially with a baby and they live so far away. I truly believe that was the Berreth's doing, that she got that condo.

I don't think he could have stopped Kelsey from moving closer to her job, at least. Fathers have moved away and maintained partial custody. Perhaps she couldn't move back closer to her family, as that is out of state.

Just going by today's testimony and things that came out today that we weren't aware of, I have a feeling the Berreth's were worried about their daughter, and she knew it. She may have been trying to put on a brave face in front of them, to not worry them.

I'm sure they were concerned for her.

And I bet Patrick could not stand the idea of Kelsey owning her own home, living there with the baby, having a great job and not having to be controlled by him.

Imo

 

[gitana1]

He may have had similar totes laying around, and they wanted to show a representation of it.

Wow, I’m amazed the images are that clear. So how the defense is going to explain away his lie is beyond perplexing. I always thought they’d claim that it wasn’t him, but that door appears closed.

Great info. One small request though:

We’re going to need you to take a leave of absence from your job, and continue to provide us with updates for the duration. Preferably live, and in violation of the decorum order (which is merely a suggestion as to how one should behave).

We’ll supplement your income with lightly used gift cards from fast food chains.

Ha ha!

 

[Steelslady]

Who does that??? I guess he must have actually brought h00kers home? why on earth was she involved with any of these people?? No wonder they didn't like KB..they could never be good enough to be near her.

Sometimes you really kill me. Glad I wasn't drinking anything when you wrote that. You have a way with words, my friend. A comical break from a disturbing reality.

 

[katydid23]

It seems they're updating this article about every 30 minutes! I just read an update, and then I did a refresh to copy and paste and it has been updated again.

I guess the thing to do will be to go to the media thread the day after something is posted to see the most recent one?

Patrick Frazee murder trial: Opening statements

Posted: 1:01 PM, Nov 01, 2019 Updated: 12:29 AM, Nov 02, 2019

I think we need to cut and paste important info, here in posts, or in media thread or our own notes---because once they update and erase things they go poof.

Also, after awhile, many of the links in the media thread go bAd. And the info is all lost.

 

[MassGuy]

I gotta admit, I’m kind of annoyed. We got more information from @GoJacks than we did from any reporter in that courtroom.

We heard details that they missed, and more detail on the things they discussed. Here are most of his posts, for those who may have missed them.

Thanks again! I’m sure everyone is very appreciative of your insight.

Okay from today opening statements:

Viehman starts out with a picture of PF from ENT ...(baby carrier present in passenger seat) says in a few short minutes after this was taken this guy brutally murders KB. "This face, this guy, he's a murderer." (points at PF....looking just like he always does)
*Shows picture of the black tote in the back of truck from ENT.
*later showed on the neighbors security camera of the truck passing by (after they believe the murder to have taken place) the tote was flipped the opposite way.

Some side notes: They have pictures of KB and Patrick going into her condo from that day. KB has poinsettias in her hands. No, PF didn't buy them for her. It's what she purchased at Safeway that day. (now we know)

The neighbors security camera literally faces her door. (This was confusing to me) They have pictures also of PF leaving and coming back later that day. Can't say he looks like he brutally murdered someone. No change of clothes, doesn't look to be covered in blood. (defense also pointed this out). Also no pictures of him leaving with a black totes or anything, unless of course these are coming later.

A lot of talk of the cellular activity of PF/KBs phone after this. Zoned out at this part. Basically all of what you can read online.
Between Nov 25-Dec. 4 46 calls to KK and zero to KB (even after police & CB had contacted him about KB being missing)

Also mentioned was that KK and PF had affair for YEARS. The night before KK married CL, PF begged her not to go through with it
KK found out through a mutual friend that PF had a child.

When they searched PF's house he had literally written a note to himself about what he did Nov. 22nd. (I assume so he could keep his story straight).
It included: Running errands, picking up baby, etc and in what order

*sorry if this is all scrambled, my notes are probably like PF's notes....non existent.

JMO but I thought Viehman made KK sound wayyyyy too nice and like a freaking gift to god. I know this is to ultimately show that she had nothing to do with the actual murder. Still made my skin crawl though.

Defense:
Pretty short. Basically related this case to seeing a house you want to buy on the internet. Looks great, until you see it in person and there's a lot of cracks in the foundation.
Going to place the blame on KK. Somewhere other than the KB condo. Said her house wasn't a murder scene like they claim. KK didn't go to the police, she only talked once offered a plea ETC.

I'll add if I remember anymore from opening statements.

*Ma waited at the door and watched him walked in.
Do not believe she was in court.

Pictures are VERY clear and close. Obvious it's PF and in same clothes he's in at ENT.

Also forgot some major part.
Yes they showed pictures of the tooth fragment from the fire pit.
KK claims the fire took so long she tried to sleep in her car during it.
Got frustrated and left after this.

Some confusion I had.
I thought they said he burned her inside that black tote, but they showed a picture of the black tote they found at his property.
Also showed pictures of where the tote was at Nash Ranch. The hay is stained a dark red/black color.

okay now onto CB.....which was very eye opening.

Viehman starts out by asking her to talk about Kelsey to us.
Talks about Kelseys love of aviation and knew from a young age that's what she wanted to do. Originally wanted to be a crop duster or something of the sort. CB chokes up a bit at the beginning and is very hard to hear for the first couple minutes.
They ask her about how PF and KB met. She goes onto explain how they met on the internet.
At this point they ask CB to point out in the court room who she believed her daughter to be dating. You could tell she was very hesitant to look at him. She pointed and they asked her again can you describe him. She said, the one in the blue shirt. (Just imagine every picture you've ever seen of PF and it was the same look on his face)

CB goes on explaining their relationship:
Met on internet, told her parents about him in December 2016~(2015? the dates kept getting scrambled)
In April of 2016(?) he came to Idaho and met them. At this time time she told her parents about their intentions to get married. A week after he left, she told them that she was moving to CO so she could really get to know him and be sure he is the one.
*PF told her not to worry about money and that she wouldn't need a job.
PF flew to KB and helped her pack up all her things a short time later.
This is where it gets very interesting
PF and KB headed back to CO and had an apt secured in Florrisant for her. They got back super late and didn't want to have to set anything up so PF told her she could just spend the night at 'ol Ma's house. OOFTA....bad decision.

Apparently SF woke up and was mad, called her a hooker and made her leave.
Didn't believe that KB actually had an apt*
CB mentioned that also whenever PF's sister was @ SF house, KB was forced to stay outside on the deck. (lovely family)

When KB got pregnant, PF never told his family. SF realized at some point in July and called her out on it. Threw her out of the house again at this point. (At this point she had moved to Grand Junction for a job after she realized money WAS an issue but was spending the weekends at SF's house).

It was around July/Aug 2017 that she was hired at Doss so was in the process of moving back when SF did this, so she found someone @ Doss who was renting out a room and moved in with them in Pueblo, I believe.
In Sept 2017, PF and KB were apparently going to look @ purchasing house, CB was going to help look. KB calls and says PF is pissed and he just wants her to rent something out and not buy.
CB came and helped her find a place to rent in woodland park, they decided woodland park would be best for relationship & job.
Oct 2017, KB has baby 3 weeks early. CB was there for birth.
KB's rental was only only going to be good through the winter, but the people let her extend it a little longer.
In May '18 CB and DB came back and helped her buy/move into the new place in the same complex.
During this visit she saw PF a few times. Also mentions that in a previous trip to CO she has met SF and ate dinner at her place 4~ times.

They talk about KB's first birthday party at KB's place. Only PF was present, no one else in his family came.

part 2 in a bit.

Random things.
Not sure we can talk about the jury, so if not just let me know and I'll delete.
Mostly older jury, predominantly (if not all) white.
Most of the men looked like farmers. (JMO)

CC was in attendance. Actually walked right past me as I entered the court house (and um no they won't let you walk through the circus tent, guarding it like it's Area 51)
Was there ever a picture of RS released? From description, I'd say RS was sitting next to CC but i can't confirm, because I've never seen a picture of him to my knowledge.

I have no idea what PF's sister or brother really look like. So also don't know if they were there. Like I mentioned before, SF was waiting outside the court room and watched as PF walked in.
CB and DB sat front row, a couple other people next to them. Didn't recognize them.

CB mentioned today the only time KB talked about moving was Doss had mentioned they might be opening a new place in Idaho and KB said she would be interested in that. Something about how Doss in Pueblo was like a level 1 and this would be a level 2 and thus a better job?
It also wasn't confirmed at all that Doss was opening up a new place and just speculation.

okay part 2

Thanksgiving day.
CB talks to KB a couple times in the morning, probably around 9am. Mentions her and PF are going out to eat for thanksgiving, probably later in the day. Mentions she's tired because she was up all night because PF was sick. PF had stomach ulcers which caused him issues sometimes.
KB asked for recipe for bread dip? Family favorite. CB sent her a picture of the recipe.
Never mentioned any sort of argument with PF. Nothing unusual about relationship that day.
CB mentions that KB said she made cinnamon rolls but baby kb wanted honey nut cheerios instead.
Last convo CB had w/KB was about baby having poop explosions (lol)
CB actually TEXTED PF "happy thanksgiving I heard you're sick, hope you feel better" PF responded happy thanksgiving back. (cb very choked up during this part)

CB was with son and busy moving things from WA to ID during this time so didn't think much of not being in contact with KB
CB accidentally called KB on 11/24. got text back that said "ill call tom" never got a call or text after this.
CB mentioned KB worked long hours M,T,Th, so when she didn't hear from her she wasn't THAT concerned, became concerned on Friday because she knew KB wasn't working and it was unusual to go that long without talking to her.

Went through KB's fb friends list and messaged all her Doss employers. One responded saying KB took the week off, said she would be back on Mon.
She called PF, had a long 20~ min convo with him. PF explained they had been arguing a lot and KB wanted to go her separate way.
She found this odd because KB mentioned no such thing.
She said well will you at least go check on her. He said he was checking cows and KB wouldn't want to see him. CB said, I don't care if she doesn't want to see you I just want to know she is okay. It's at this time CB says she realizes where is baby. Asks PF, says he has baby and KB told him to keep baby until she figures things out.

Brother convinces CB to call police. They tell her no sign her at apt but her cars are out front. CB and brother wait till Mon, if KB doesn't show up for work they have a flight scheduled to go to CO. KB doesn't show up for work.
CB & brother fly to CO (while at airport she was informed KB's phone pinged in ID), take an uber to her house thinking they won't need a rental car. PF had mentioned he gave her all her keys back so they believed they could just use one of her cars if they needed it. No keys of any sort at condo.
Found the house odd, cinnamon rolls left on counter uncovered. "hard as a rock" -cb
*Showed a picture of the infamous cinnamon rolls
her and brother went through KB's things, didn't notice anything missing. Said KB wouldn't leave the house without these things.
Mentioned that it looked like the house had been wiped down. Noticed it on the couch and stove when the light hit.

I think that's about where they ended it for the day.

*also this reminded me in opening statements they showed pictures of the floor panels tore up where they found blood and blood stains they found behind couch cushions.

I probably forgot a lot of things.
So here's some random things I just remembered.

They showed pictures of the burn area. It had been covered by dirt, KK took them to exact spot. Able to find burn area because of this.

KK & PF are seen at the conoco together. drove up in separate cars. PF got gas in one of those small gas cans.

Also the amount of times Viehman mentioned PF lived at home W/ MOM made me laugh.

 

[katydid23]

Thank you so much for your coverage! Did CB say how she and her brother got into KB's condo?

I remember her brother saying a long time ago, that he had a condo key because he came to visit before, and would arrive before she came back from work. So he could come and go. IIRC

 

[Sweetsbeach]

Well, just going by Cheryl's testimony today and things she said, it sounds to me like the Berreth's wanted Kelsey to have her own home instead of renting. A place where she wouldn't have to worry about moving every few months, especially with a baby and they live so far away. I truly believe that was the Berreth's doing, that she got that condo.

I don't think he could have stopped Kelsey from moving closer to her job, at least. Fathers have moved away and maintained partial custody. Perhaps she couldn't move back closer to her family, as that is out of state.

Just going by today's testimony and things that came out today that we weren't aware of, I have a feeling the Berreth's were worried about their daughter, and she knew it. She may have been trying to put on a brave face in front of them, to not worry them.

I'm sure she was worried sick for KB. I can't imagine how she responded when KB told her about being called a hooker and the times she was kicked out. CB seems like a supportive mom who respected her daughter's right to make her own choices. KB seemed to be able to open up to her without judgement since she continued to tell her about her awful experiences.

You made a really good point about PF pitting women against each other. JMO (I can't diagnose him) it once again is a great example of what those with narcissistic personality disorder do to the people in their lives. Triangulation is their common method of control and manipulation.
The idealize, devalue and discard cycle also fits as well. Again, JMO.

 

[Steelslady]

Does anyone know if the Berreth parents brought Baby K with them to Colorado for the trial?

Just curious if the F family would have a chance to try to see her. Certainly not by appointment, just by lingering around the hotel hoping to catch a glimpse of her.

I hope not. I would be scared to let that poor darling anywhere near those monsters.