CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

[MassGuy]

It does amaze me there is blood all over--curtains, tinfoil for cin rolls, but, not on the plant, papers on the table, things for the dip...yet blood behind cushion....

Hmmmm.....

I’m more concerned with where it is, than where it isn’t.

KK threw out what she couldn’t, and cleaned what she could.

 

[legalmomma]

I didn't even think of the possibility that Patrick had brought hookers to his mother's home before.
Something else for the Stupid List!

I see her comment to KB more as a comment made from a consuming, over zealous Mom...she wants no one in PF life, and if you are, you are a hooker. I see more charges coming...or her pleading the 5th.

 

[GoJacks]

Your accounts are providing so much more information than we've gotten from MSM...thanks isn't even enough, @GoJacks.

Your posts are as good as being there are at that courthouse in person.

Question: It sounds like Jennifer Viehmann gave the opening for the prosecution and did the direct questioning of CB, is that right?

Was DA May sitting at the prosecution table? Did you see him there in the courtroom at all? If so, what was his demeanor like in person?

JMO.

He was there. Viehman is the only one to speak so far for prosecution.
Seemed like a friendly guy, saw him shaking some random peoples hands in the court room.
Believe he was sitting at the table, can't 100% say for sure. I aligned myself to get a nice view of PF but it made it so I couldn't see prosecution table.

 

[Warwick7]

I’m more concerned with where it is, than where it isn’t.

KK threw out what she couldn’t, and cleaned what she could.

True, but it is like he beat her so blood splattered in the cooking area and now we heard about the blood behind the cushions, but sounds like none on table.

I guess I thought the candle game happened in the kitchen but maybe closer to the couch.

 

[MassGuy]

I see her comment to KB more as a comment made from a consuming, over zealous Mom...she wants no one in PF life, and if you are, you are a hooker. I see more charges coming...or her pleading the 5th.

I totally agree with your characterization of those comments.

I think if they were going to charge her, they would have by now. I anticipate that she will plead the Fifth, or will be forced to testify in the event that there was in fact an immunity deal.

 

[legalmomma]

I’m more concerned with where it is, than where it isn’t.

KK threw out what she couldn’t, and cleaned what she could.

Or planted what she could....just arguing the defense theory...

 

[GordianKnot]

Does anyone know if the Berreth parents brought Baby K with them to Colorado for the trial?

Just curious if the F family would have a chance to try to see her. Certainly not by appointment, just by lingering around the hotel hoping to catch a glimpse of her.

Hopefully, LE will make sure they stay away from the B's.

That twisted, sick family can never come within striking distance of Baby K again.

This jury needs to get it right.

JMO.

 

[NoSI]

Thank you so much @GoJacks and everyone updating! It is so appreciated!

I have to say that I feel confident that there will be Justice for Kelsey. More confident than this morning. The tooth fragment was mentioned for a reason. There would be no reason to mention it during opening statements if it wasn't fundamentally important (and therefore KBs). I don't want to jump to conclusions, but can't help it. What a development! I can't imagine what KB went through by being exposed to this terrible, dysfunctional, evil household before being slaughtered. Breaks my heart!

Pretty proud today of Colorado to stick to the schedule and get this done!

This attached poem is for everyone working so hard for Justice for Kelsey, including everyone in the courtroom today and all of you.

Good night everyone!

 

[skyedaze]

okay part 2


*also this reminded me in opening statements they showed pictures of the floor panels tore up where they found blood and blood stains they found behind couch cushions.

BBM
omg ..gross

 

[Steelslady]

And CB has to be cross-examined by the defense whom one would expect to be respectful of her as the victim's mother, but they have to make Kelsey look like she needed killing.

We're all going to need heartburn meds on Monday.

Thanks for the reminder- checking my Tums and Pepto supply now.

I know it's the defense attorney's job to do that, but damn, I don't think I could stand to listen to her cross examine her, probably implying that she lived too far away to know what her daughter was up to, blah blah blah. I can hear her spinning crap already.

Maybe some divine intervention via the judge blessed us all and didn't allow this on TV. WS and social media would probably shut down the internet.

 

[GoJacks]

It does amaze me there is blood all over--curtains, tinfoil for cin rolls, but, not on the plant, papers on the table, things for the dip...yet blood behind cushion....

Hmmmm.....

Don't quote me on this, but i believe they said KK had 4 bags of trash of things she couldn't get blood off of. Baby toys, curtains, etc.

 

[Hatfield]

Im amazed at all the new information that came out today. Some will be supported by evidence to come, but still. Wow.

Didnt expect opening day to be so productive.

 

[Seattle1]

It does amaze me there is blood all over--curtains, tinfoil for cin rolls, but, not on the plant, papers on the table, things for the dip...yet blood behind cushion....

Hmmmm.....

If KB sitting on couch blindfolded smelling candles -- I can see blood behind the cushions.

There will also be experts to explain the pattern and physics of blood splatter. They've got this. Well done, team Dan May.

MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

okay part 2

Thanksgiving day.
CB talks to KB a couple times in the morning, probably around 9am. Mentions her and PF are going out to eat for thanksgiving, probably later in the day. Mentions she's tired because she was up all night because PF was sick. PF had stomach ulcers which caused him issues sometimes.
KB asked for recipe for bread dip? Family favorite. CB sent her a picture of the recipe.
Never mentioned any sort of argument with PF. Nothing unusual about relationship that day.
CB mentions that KB said she made cinnamon rolls but baby kb wanted honey nut cheerios instead.
Last convo CB had w/KB was about baby having poop explosions (lol)
CB actually TEXTED PF "happy thanksgiving I heard you're sick, hope you feel better" PF responded happy thanksgiving back. (cb very choked up during this part)

CB was with son and busy moving things from WA to ID during this time so didn't think much of not being in contact with KB
CB accidentally called KB on 11/24. got text back that said "ill call tom" never got a call or text after this.
CB mentioned KB worked long hours M,T,Th, so when she didn't hear from her she wasn't THAT concerned, became concerned on Friday because she knew KB wasn't working and it was unusual to go that long without talking to her.

Went through KB's fb friends list and messaged all her Doss employers. One responded saying KB took the week off, said she would be back on Mon.
She called PF, had a long 20~ min convo with him. PF explained they had been arguing a lot and KB wanted to go her separate way.
She found this odd because KB mentioned no such thing.
She said well will you at least go check on her. He said he was checking cows and KB wouldn't want to see him. CB said, I don't care if she doesn't want to see you I just want to know she is okay. It's at this time CB says she realizes where is baby. Asks PF, says he has baby and KB told him to keep baby until she figures things out.

Brother convinces CB to call police. They tell her no sign her at apt but her cars are out front. CB and brother wait till Mon, if KB doesn't show up for work they have a flight scheduled to go to CO. KB doesn't show up for work.
CB & brother fly to CO (while at airport she was informed KB's phone pinged in ID), take an uber to her house thinking they won't need a rental car. PF had mentioned he gave her all her keys back so they believed they could just use one of her cars if they needed it. No keys of any sort at condo.
Found the house odd, cinnamon rolls left on counter uncovered. "hard as a rock" -cb
*Showed a picture of the infamous cinnamon rolls
her and brother went through KB's things, didn't notice anything missing. Said KB wouldn't leave the house without these things.
Mentioned that it looked like the house had been wiped down. Noticed it on the couch and stove when the light hit.

I think that's about where they ended it for the day.

*also this reminded me in opening statements they showed pictures of the floor panels tore up where they found blood and blood stains they found behind couch cushions.

Wow, thanks for all that!
It definitely sounds like she was not planning on going to the ranch from that description.
I wonder if Kelsey was just cooking for PF, and was planning on a quiet dinner with him the following day.

That text message sounds like the one CB had mentioned that did not sound like Kelsey because she always texted in complete sentences.
You would think PF would have known that.

Blood on the floorboards and behind the couch cushions, blood on the fireplace, baby gate, toys, in the bathroom, on the light switches and I believe on the ceiling, and the defense is saying that was not the murder scene?

Good luck with that.

Imo

 

[skyedaze]

Good night!

ETA: I just saw a Sonic commercial. They are offering deep-fried Oreo cookies!!

One more indulgence for KK!

Deep-fried Oreos debut at Sonic Drive-In | 2019-01-28 | Food Business News

Whuuuuttt????

 

[Warwick7]

If KB sitting on couch blindfolded smelling candles -- I can see blood behind the cushions.

There will also be experts to explain the pattern and physics of blood splatter. They've got this. Well done, team Dan May.

MOO

Agreed...

I guess I thought she was standing next to the table. But, it does sound like sitting on the couch....

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It seems they're updating this article about every 30 minutes! I just read an update, and then I did a refresh to copy and paste and it has been updated again.

I guess the thing to do will be to go to the media thread the day after something is posted to see the most recent one?

Patrick Frazee murder trial: Opening statements

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[legalmomma]

If KB sitting on couch blindfolded smelling candles -- I can see blood behind the cushions.

There will also be experts to explain the pattern and physics of blood splatter. They've got this. Well done, team Dan May.

MOO

Oh please don't let this turn into a Michael Peterson “The Staircase” Duane Deaver debacle. Sigh.

 

[MemPat]

Blood stains behind couch cushions, that’s a new detail.

It makes complete sense of course.

Kelsey had to have been sitting on the couch when she was hit for the blood to get behind the cushions.

The blindfold scenario doesn't seem farfetched at all in light of this.

 

[MemPat]

SF is a vile *DBM.

A *DBM.

A *DBM.

Give me time.

I'll come up with more words.

Your DBMs are plenty colorful, GK!
Point well taken.