CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

[?mysterian?]

NOV 1, 2019
Kelsey Berreth murder case: Cheryl Berreth takes the stand, defense says case has "serious foundational issues"
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...After a jury of seven women and five men was selected, prosecutors rolled in more than a dozen binders, each inches thick with the evidence in the case, which has drawn attention from across the country.

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PM, thanks for everything you do here, you are wonderful!

I like the sound of more than a dozen binders. The more, the better, IMO. Let PF and anyone else sink under the weight of all that evidence.

 

[?mysterian?]

@Seattle1, thank you also for keeping us updated! You are wonderful also!

Anyone else I've left out, I'm sorry, and thank you for the updates.

 

[MsArk]

That day, he called Kenney, who was in Idaho, and said she had a mess to clean up and to come to Berreth's condo. Kenney felt that she was in too deep and that her family was endangered, Viehman said.

I realize this is old news but if some guy told me I had a mess to clean up after he murdered his child’s mother... OMGOSH... I still just can’t believe anyone would do that.


Patrick Frazee murder trial: Opening statements

 

[susiQ]

I think that KK might be saved from being totally hated by the jury, if the jury believes that PF convinced her of the child abuse. It's the only way she could be slightly a sympathetic witness, if she was trying to protect a baby.

Yes that, and the crocodile tears will help. Another plus for KK and the prosecution would be evidence of some psycho therapy over the last year to help her understand how she could have been "roped" in (pun intended) by PF to participate in this horror show! I mean when I read that PF told her to hit KB over the head with a metal bar, throw her in a trash can and "drag her up the road????" Really? She actually thought that was a PLAN? That woman is seriously ill. However, it is also apparent by her actions that she welcomed the idea of getting rid of KB. Her ego got the better of her and the only way to mitigate that fact, is to show she recognizes she was a very sick, mentally depraved woman and that she needed intense therapy post plea deal.
JMHO
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[susiQ]

As to the bolded, I posted a similar theory awhile ago. I think they may have agreed, while talking online, that they both were ready to start a family. So a few months later, this 'Prince Charming' comes to move her to his hometown---out of state.

He tells her she doesn't need to work, he has got it all figured out--he got her a little apartment, etc. But at the same time, he is tainting her reputation to his friends and family---making her an isolated outcast. He is such a snake.

I think he did want a baby---but not necessarily a wife. And co-parenting was getting too annoying. His baby's mother was too intelligent and independent for his tastes. JMO

That's what narcs do. They isolate their victims. I prefer the word "serpent", like in the Garden of Eden. Look where that landed us. Evil does not embrace the light, because the light exposes the works of darkness. KB was that light and they could NOT bear it. Sadly, it took her brutal death to expose the darkness that is PF and his mother. JMHO

 

[Noharg]

Not “negligible,” just not necessarily “full.”

I mean, what if he orders like $20 worth of food at Taco Bell for lunch, and the card doesn’t work?!

It’s important that these cards be “tested,” so that he doesn’t have any issues.

The fact that $20 worth of anything at Taco Bell, is likely to cause “issues,” notwithstanding.

Fortunately, he’s promised to sit near the Frazee clan during all 3 weeks he has promised to attend. So his “issues,” will be their “issues.”

Again, the fact that he has made no such “promise,” notwithstanding.

Basically, you’ve taken a beautiful promise that I have made on behalf of others, into sounding “cheap.”

I’m appalled.

I think @MassGuy should fly to CO and cover the trial since @GoJacks can’t be there everyday. I’m sure we could pool our airline points and gift cards to help fund the trip. The airlines do take Taco Bell cards, right?

 

[Mind your biscuits]

Haha, thank you! Honestly I could have done a way better job.
Next time, I'll actually take notes. I wasn't 100% sure what I could or could not bring in. Luckily, I have a pretty good memory. Also this allowed me to focus more on expressions (or lack there of) taking place.
Unfortunately, can't be there every day. (I wish, ugh). Dying to see the cross-exam of CB. She seems like such a kind and sweet lady, can't imagine they can go too hard on her and expect the jury to respect that. (jmo)

I usually don't work long hours on Friday, so that's my best bet of making it again.
I plan on trying to make it to KK's testimony. Of course if they throw her on the stand with no heads up, I won't be there.

Also, lets hope the weather cooperates.

SEND ME ALL THE SONIC GIFTCARDS, PLEASE.
Enough gift cards and i'll run through the circus tent. jk no i wont!!!! (they're probably reading this)
Next week on the Decorum: no posting to websleuths.


*also currently reading through the first thread of her being missing. bringing back some memories and also all the questions people were asking are now being answered.

Thanks for the awesome reporting.

 

[?mysterian?]

I think @MassGuy should fly to CO and cover the trial since @GoJacks can’t be there everyday. I’m sure we could pool our airline points and gift cards to help fund the trip. The airlines do take Taco Bell cards, right?

Surely @MassGuy can do better than his favorite ace reporter, Chris Spargo, who is credited with the latest article from Daily Fail Trial begins for Colorado man charged in fiancee's death | Daily Mail Online
(also posted in media thread FWIW)

 

[Noharg]

Surely @MassGuy can do better than his favorite ace reporter, Chris Spargo, who is credited with the latest article from Daily Fail Trial begins for Colorado man charged in fiancee's death | Daily Mail Online
(also posted in media thread FWIW)

OR

“During opening statements, the lead prosecutor explained how Kelsey Kenney, Frazee's girlfriend, says she was called to Berreth's townhome to clean up a lot of blood. Read more on this below within the prosecution's opening statements.”

ETA
www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/court-in-the-process-of-jury-selection-in-frazee-murder-trial

 

[Love Never Fails]

Thank you Gojacks. It’s great to have an eyewitness of what was said in the courtroom. I am grateful to the media for their tweets but they are a little dry. You provided real insight.

I had “heard” elsewhere that the Frazees were a dysfunctional family. That was an understatement. Hard for me to even imagine that kind of cruelty to a young lady their son/brother brought home. Sounds, IMO, like Ma F is the one who started abuse in this family years ago. Her way, or the highway. It’s so sad. And frighteningly cruel.

 

[Noharg]

Many of us were again in awe of CB’s courage and fortitude yesterday. We learned so much about the relationship between KB and PF from her. One thing that I found interesting is that PF told KB that money wouldn’t be an issue; she didn’t have to work. It shows he had no idea regarding KB’s intelligence and skills or her sense of self.

JMO

 

[Gardener1850]

That worries me a little. I know there were some on here who really identified with PF and had a hard time seeing him as the type who would do something like this. An outsider like KB isn’t going to be one of their own.

Oh no, please don't say that gitana1. I respect your opinion so much. But I'm going to try to think positively on that observation about the jury looking like farmers and disagree. KB may be from "out of town" but she is also the daughter of hay farmers and was raised on a farm. If the jury is all farmers then I feel like the jury was handpicked by the prosecution for a reason. By the end of CB's testimony they will see KB as their own daughter. They will also be able to see through PF's lies to KB on things pertaining to farm life. In one of CB's TV interviews she made it sound like PF had been stalling KB on getting married due to finances and his excuse was something about the cattle prices being poor. I don't recall the exact wording used but it seemed like either PF was lying about the cattle market or he lied in the first place about how much cattle he owned. Farmers and ranchers should know better than anyone if PF is full of it. MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

Many of us were again in awe of CB’s courage and fortitude yesterday. We learned so much about the relationship between KB and PF from her. One thing that I found interesting is that PF told KB that money wouldn’t be an issue; she didn’t have to work. It shows he had no idea regarding KB’s intelligence and skills or her sense of self.

JMO

He also probably would not want her working because that would mean she would be independent.
I think he knew very well she was intelligent. He probably just didn't want her having her own life. Too much of a risk for him.

Imo

 

[mickey2942]

Oh no, please don't say that gitana1. I respect your opinion so much. But I'm going to try to think positively on that observation about the jury looking like farmers and disagree. KB may be from "out of town" but she is also the daughter of hay farmers and was raised on a farm. If the jury is all farmers then I feel like the jury was handpicked by the prosecution for a reason. By the end of CB's testimony they will see KB as their own daughter. They will also be able to see through PF's lies to KB on things pertaining to farm life. In one of CB's TV interviews she made it sound like PF had been stalling KB on getting married due to finances and his excuse was something about the cattle prices being poor. I don't recall the exact wording used but it seemed like either PF was lying about the cattle market or he lied in the first place about how much cattle he owned. Farmers and ranchers should know better than anyone if PF is full of it. MOO.

Agreed. Folks around here who live on ranches are usually quite religious, with strong core values about family. Marriage is very important. The fact that PF didn't marry his GF, speaks a lot about him. Maybe KB didn't want to marry him, which also is very telling.

PF living with his Mama is not a big deal, but him cheating on KB with KK shows a lack of character.

 

[Noharg]

He also probably would not want her working because that would mean she would be independent, which would be a threat to him. Imo

Absolutely. Isolate and control.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I just hope PF is enjoying wearing street clothes for the trial. He gets to wear stripes for the rest of his life. Hope they are yellow, like he is.

My wish is that KK could join him in stripes but I know it won’t happen. I hope the DA tones it down a bit about how manipulated KK was. She is a big girl. No one can talk you into attempted murder.

Just have this gut feeling that Ma and her other children are part of this too.

 

[susiQ]

That day, he called Kenney, who was in Idaho, and said she had a mess to clean up and to come to Berreth's condo. Kenney felt that she was in too deep and that her family was endangered, Viehman said.

I realize this is old news but if some guy told me I had a mess to clean up after he murdered his child’s mother... OMGOSH... I still just can’t believe anyone would do that.


Patrick Frazee murder trial: Opening statements

Oh yeah! She was in deep alright Up to her freakin' eye balls in doo doo. But, "Kenney felt that she was in too deep and that her family was endangered," is a bit much for me at least. She didn't appear "endangered" driving through Sonic primping her mop and getting ready to chow down her next meal with "lover boy"

 

[Love Never Fails]

Oh yeah! She was in deep alright Up to her freakin' eye balls in doo doo. But, "Kenney felt that she was in too deep and that her family was endangered," is a bit much for me at least. She didn't appear "endangered" driving through Sonic primping her mop and getting ready to chow down her next meal with "lover boy"

Thank you for this. It’s all I ever said. She isn’t innocent and deserves no credit for anything. She didn’t come forward. She was caught. Thank God she was caught.

 

[Sweetsbeach]

I don’t know that I agree with this. The alternative to allowing a mother of a young baby to leave an area with the young baby is to take the baby from her and place the child with dad. You can’t force a parent not to move. All you can do is take the kid from the parent who does so.

But if Kelsey had a lack of family support in CO and needed to be closer to work, I believe she could’ve prevailed depending on the circumstances. Move away cases are not uncommon and it’s not true that the courts usually don’t allow it. Every state has different rules but CO like most is governed ultimately by the best interest of the child standard.

What’s more important is what PF believed.
I’m betting he talked to a family law attorney before he killed Kelsey.

From early on, as I’ve posted before, I got the sense that this was an insular, dysfunctional family. PF lived with his mama and her little man could do no wrong. I said earlier that I thought they are the type to view children as possessions and not part of the other person who made the child. I think Ma Frazee believed this grandchild was hers and they wanted KB out of the picture with no control or influence and no ability to move the child away or raise her.

Yes...I agree.
I probably didn't explain what I meant well. Yes, KB may have been able to move away. But it wouldn't have been easy at all since PF would have challenged it. (and I meant all the way back home with her parents.)
That's why I don't think she was thinking of leaving.

But it's understandable why the court might place a child with the other parent if one decides they want to move several states away. After a divorce/split plenty of people feel the need to make a fresh start and want to move away from their ex with their kids. But that isn't necessarily what's in the best interest of the child when it's two normal parents involved.

But I was comparing two different scenarios after that. I meant in a situation where moving wasn't on the table at all and PF tried to petition to gain primary physical custody of baby K, he probably wouldn't have been successful in that pursuit. I think he knew that which is where motive comes into play.

When KB was kicked out for being pregnant, I wish she'd moved home. But PF was probably gaslighting her to get her to stay.

 

[Seattle1]

I think I must have started following the case around the time the sister stopped posting.
Was she pushing the story that Kelsey was not a good mother and that she probably ran off?

It was basically a hit and run. Kelsey is unstable, the police aren’t doing anything, the media is lying, Patrick is a loving father, help get the word out, blah blah blah.

I politely asked her why her family wasn’t helping in the search efforts, to which she responded something to the effect of “pray for Kelsey.”

She also said that all this attention would make Kelsey scared to return home.

And if you believed sister, not only was PF an innocent, adoring father and son, her mom was fragile, barely mobile, and being taken advantage of (by KB).

I don't recall her expressing any concern for baby K, a toddler with a missing mother.

In other words, nothing in her posts alluding to their true character (i.e., angry tempered brother and nasty women capable of throwing a pregnant woman out and banishing a toddler to the deck).

MOO