CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #59

[MassGuy]

Sam's response to inquiry if CB was questioned by defense:

Sam Kraemer‏ @SamKraemerTV
Sam Kraemer Retweeted ******

Yes. They asked about her helping the couple with finances and why Patrick still lived on the family ranch. Defense said it was to care for his mom. Cheryl says it was to care for his animals, fearing his mom would call animal control if they got out of hand

11:32 AM - 4 Nov 2019

PF’s mom should have called animal control on her son.

 

[BUF]

Well, now. Looks to me like KB thought they were still a couple. MOO

When was that bringing PF to Christmas party text sent? Could it have been a text from PF pretending to be Kelsey? Sometimes so confusing from these tweets!

 

[PommyMommy]

Yes, sounds like the Judge plugged that leak.

And while Sam's our man, Lance's stock continues to rise.

"To be fair, Judge Sells also issued a stern warning to the public..." Haaaaaa.

Lance definitely knows how to wield his pen in mighty sword-like fashion, to devastating efect.

JMO.

I think Lance must also be pretty fast on his feet. He was the first one as well as the last one to tweet during the lunch break. MOO

 

[Simply Southern]

Order of testimony - updated.

Do I have this correct and does anyone know the correct spelling of the Corporal's name?

1. CB
2. CB2
3. Doss Aviation employee - KB's supervisor
4. Kelsey’s neighbor, AG, with whom her unit shared a wall
5. One of Kelsey’s supervisors (also described as manager), RS
6. Woodland Park Police Corporal Dina Currin (sp?)

Patrol Division | Woodland Park - City Above the Clouds


[email protected]. D Currin

 

[susiQ]

I CAN'T wait to hear what KK has to say. Can you imagine what she ALL knows about the inheritance and SF? Maybe her next visit "mummy dearest" would get HER poisoned brew if PF hadn't already done it. OR, a swift hit over the head. You know, his horse kicked her in the head?? Nothing is too evil for this diabolical misfit. Although, I can't imagine what it was like growing up on that Franch with SF. Lots of Karma to go around there.
ed:sp

 

[PommyMommy]

NOV 4, 2019
Kelsey Berreth's mother, brother testify of finding blood, other clues
[...]

"I went out and told my mom that 'I think there's blood on the toilet,'" Clint Berreth testified Monday in the first-degree murder trial of Patrick Frazee, the Florissant rancher accused of bludgeoning Kelsey Berreth to death last Thanksgiving.

[...]

Jurors on Monday also listened to a Dec. 2 statement from Frazee to police. In a 15-minute taped call, Frazee said his fiancee had dumped him but he noted she was not depressed or suicidal.

[...]

"We lived in two different worlds," he told police on the recording. "She wanted to go down her own path."

On Friday, Cheryl Berreth took aim at Frazee’s claims that his relationship with Kelsey had deteriorated in the days before her Thanksgiving Day disappearance, and rejected the idea that Kelsey would give up custody of their daughter, Kaylee, as Frazee had told police.

[...]

Thank you for looking up the spelling, @Simply Southern!

 

[Steelslady]

I CAN'T wait to hear was KK has to say. Can you imagine what she ALL knows about the inheritance and SF? Maybe her next visit "mummy dearest" would get HER poisoned brew if PF hadn't already done it. OR, a swift hit over the head. You know, his horse kicked her in the head?? Nothing is too evil for this diabolical misfit. Although, I can't imagine what it was like growing up on that Franch with SF. Lots of Karma to go around there.

I love your avatar- it's making me laugh!

You know, there were a few of us that did say we thought that Kelsey might not have been his first murder.

 

[Steelslady]

I also didn't think he murdered Kelsey over custody. It didn't make sense- they didn't live that far apart from one another. Unless she threatened at one point to move closer to her family, that just doesn't seem like something PF would really care about.

 

[susiQ]

Here is an interesting link that talks about non verbal communication and how a large percentage of our daily communication is non-verbal.

Body Language Classes, Research, and Consulting | Nonverbal Group | NYC

RSBBM
You mean like this:

 

[PommyMommy]

NOV 4, 2019
Officer describes 'lack of concern' from Kelsey Berreth's fiancé after her disappearance
The first member of law enforcement to call Kelsey Berreth’s fiancé after she was reported missing said two things seemed amiss to her during their 15-minute phone conversation.

“The lack of concern, maybe, and there was no … date on the exchange of the child,” Woodland Park Police Department Cpl. Dena Currin said in Teller County court Monday morning. “Those are the only two things I thought were odd.”

[...]

During Currin’s testimony, the prosecution played a recording of the first phone call between Frazee and Currin. During the conversation, Frazee tells the officer that he and Berreth had broken up and were determining how to split custody of their 1-year-old daughter.

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“We lived such separate lives for so long,” Frazee said. “Our exchange of our daughter was in passing.”

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Frazee also told Currin he had returned the gun, something the prosecution claimed during opening statements was his attempt at creating a narrative that Kelsey Berreth had perhaps taken her own life.

[...]

“When I gave her possessions back, that was something that we had addressed was, ‘Hey, you’re not going to do anything crazy?’” Frazee was heard saying in the recorded phone call. “Just our lives have grown so far apart in the last year 1/2, or great, I just wanted space and time to figure things out.”

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“The last text message was at the end of the week, part of the managerial duties is to close the timesheet for payroll," RS said. “And that was the mental prompting that OK, kind of like when we lose a radio in the aircraft, we’ll transmit to the blind. So this was without any response, just transmitting in the blind stating, ‘I don’t know if you want to submit any PTO for this week, but if so, now’s the time to get it in.’”

[...]

“I think the first text message I sent that she didn’t reply to was, ‘What do you want for Christmas?’” CB2 said. “I asked what Patrick, [Baby K], etc. want … I didn’t get a reply from that.”

He sent another series of messages asking if an ornament he had sent to his niece had been delivered.

“No reply,” CB2 said.

[...]

 

[susiQ]

I love your avatar- it's making me laugh!

You know, there were a few of us that did say we thought that Kelsey might not have been his first murder.

One has to wonder

eta: can't take credit for the avatar. One of our dear friends here designed it. I stole it

 

[MassGuy]

I also didn't think he murdered Kelsey over custody. It didn't make sense- they didn't live that far apart from one another. Unless she threatened at one point to move closer to her family, that just doesn't seem like something PF would really care about.

I dunno. Why lie to everyone about Kelsey being abusive? I think that was his first attempt to gain custody, and it clearly failed.

As a result, he killed her. An added motive could come from that estate battle, and what Kelsey knew.

 

[NuttMegg]

Did they test the blood that the brother found on the toilet?

 

[Evilactionfigure]

Why lie to everyone about KB being abusive? Narcissists MO. If they cant control someone, control how others see them...

 

[MassGuy]

Did they test the blood that the brother found on the toilet?

Yes. It was Kelsey’s. So was the rest of the blood they found in numerous locations inside that bathroom.

 

[MassGuy]

Why lie to everyone about KB being abusive? Narcissists MO. If they cant control someone, control how others see them...

Yes, but there was a clear incentive as well. He was hoping to achieve something.

 

[Ccging]

Can someone remind me again if we know details about why PF went through the drive through at the bank? He withdrew money right?

AND didn’t LE take some bank records for the estate from the franch?

Bet we see those at some point presented now....connecting the dots.

 

[gitana1]

Wasn’t KK ever charged with conspiracy to commit murder for the attempts she made to end KB’s life before PF ended up doing it himself? She openly admitted she and PF had conspired in the weeks/months leading up to KB’s murder. Surely that charge should be up there too JMO

Admissions would come through her lawyer not her at first. Via hypotheticals. And those hypotheticals aren’t evidence.

More importantly, admissions made to the DA during plea negotiations cannot be used against someone to convict them, per CRE 410. Such statements are inadmissible. That’s to encourage people to negotiate freely.

So the only source of the admissions to conspiracy cane from KK and it could not be used against her per the law.

They could be used against PF though. What would you do if you were the DA? Refuse to use the info that can’t be used to prosecute the conspirator or use it to convict the murderer?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I'm going to assume the babygate relevance is because that was one item KK pointed out to authorities as having KB's blood "she left behind" on it.

and... IIRC, it was given to her less than 7 days prior to her disappearance.

 

[Evilactionfigure]

IMO Absolutely there was clear incentive.
I do not believe for a second anything PF did had anything to do about lil KB. It was all about control. Control of what is the million dollar question, that quite possibly has to do with a lot of dollars as an answer.
Hopefully we will find out that answer to the question.