CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #60

[Lhughessk]

I don't disagree, but I'm curious what the question she was responding to was. I've just seen this quoted as an answer without context. The context may change how I feel about this answer. But, probably not.

i was about to type the same exact thing! We don’t know the context of that quote, so it’s premature to form judgments around it.

 

[girlhasnoname]

BBM. Candles upstairs? Didn't LE testify there was a candle warmer still on the stove when they entered? Why would candles be upstairs and how did get on the bottom of PF's shoes? And why did KK leave a broom on the bed? I look forward to the evidence about blood and whether the chemicals picked it up outside of the bathroom.


JMO

Yes candle warmer on stove, but that doesn't mean there can't be the 'sniff test' candles upstairs.

As PF bashed Kelsey's head I'm sure blood splattered and pooled. He would have gotten it on his shoes easily.

KK had a broom because she said the blood spatter was too high to reach. She probably used the broom with something on it to wipe at it.

There's not ONE doubt in my mind that blood was detected other than in just the bathroom.

JMO

 

[Alathea]

I work with abuse situations everyday. Murder is abuse. Killing a child's mother is abuse. Threatening to kill someone's dog or child is abuse. Threatening that children go missing is abuse. If you do not see a very strong pattern of abuse here, you are missing the strong reality.

I typically do not reply to comments that do not require comment but I see trauma and abuse every single day and this is it.

THANK YOU.

 

[MassGuy]

Jesus, do we know each other? I was just going to say I hit someone with an aluminum bat while they were catching for a ball game.

Wasn't pretty, but they weren't knocked unconscious. Just concussed and a bloody mess.

Also I believe PF used a wood bad. As they insinuate he burned it.

Ha! The umpire warned me that I was too close, but I didn’t listen. That’s why I buy the account that KK provided.

Been there, felt that.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I think what you call logic is just common sense and the jury likely has a long list of "why?" beginning with PF's threat to her own child which KK failed to report to LE.

KK didn't need PF to call CPS, she could have done it herself. Lotsa things KK could have done, should have done and didn't do. Why? The most logical reason I can think of is that she was jealous of KB and wanted her dead.

JMO

ITA

 

[Leader6518]

No, where was that mentioned?
Who mentioned it?

I believe it was during CBS testimony. However, it was said to be sparkling cider. Not champagne. I think the reporter saw a pic and assumed. MOO

 

[NoeticSoul]

imo, a blow to the head strong enough to dislodge a tooth is going to result in unconsciousness rather than conversation.
JMO

Not if the tooth didn't come out on the first blow.. moo

 

[BUF]

@GoJacks was in the courtroom today, and will have a recap for us later on.

Great...I thought GoJacks may have gone after we were hearing it may be KK up next. GoJacks was just too quiet...

Looking forward to the real re-cap!

 

[susiQ]

GK, are you there?

She's taking a break I'm filling in

 

[AnnaGrace]

Court is adjourned for the day. Tweet-storm inbound!

Thank you MG. You've done an excellent job monitoring and relaying KK's testimony. I think her testimony was important and I hope it helped to persuade the jury. I still have no sympathy for her and won't even try to understand her attraction to PF, but that's not important. What is important is the effect on the jury. Imo, SF2's testimony yesterday is still the real bombshell so far. We'll see what happens tomorrow.

 

[MsBetsy]

I know it sounds picky, but didn't the neighbor AG just testify two days ago that she had just recently met KB, and given her the child gate? How can PF be telling KB that she didn't latch it months before she owned a gate? IMO

She may have had several. I had one for both the top and the bottom of the stairs so I didn't have to keep moving the same one around.

Imo

 

[MyBelle]

I have just read this.
Unbelievable.
So KB didn't die with one blow, and knew what was happening to her.
However, this is what KK says, and would idiot PF state KB really said this.

Surely the Defence will pounce on those two words, as being made up by KK, in order to annihilate PF completely.
Surely, the jurors then, would want her testimony to stop, so they can recover.

Can this get any more horrid.

BBM. KK is desperate and is laying on the sensational drama.

JMO

 

[Hatch]

I wanted to think that too, Seattle1.

It seems that people who have never murdered with a knife before start with shallow practice-stabs.

It pains me to say this but I wonder if Patrick started with a light hit and worked his way up.

The fact that blood was splattered everywhere proves that there were a number of strikes.

God bless Kelsey's family and all of you who are hurting for this sweet mother tonight.

Hug your people. Life is short.

Blood on the underside of a kitchen chair suggests she was in the kitchen on the floor at one point during the attack, unless he beat her with the chair.

 

[MassGuy]

Perhaps you two have met before. JMHO.

I think we can state conclusively, that @GoJacks once tried to kill me with a softball bat. As I remember it, it occurred on a swinging strike 3.

 

[GordianKnot]

Did you read something elsewhere to indicate that she said that in answer to a question about why she

i was about to type the same exact thing! We don’t know the context of that quote, so it’s premature to form judgments around it.

Actually, for me, it's not at all premature.

I got KK's meaning right away.

I'm heading her off at the pass.

Nuh-uh, KK. Sorry. That horse won't whinny.

JMO.

 

[zea mays]

I think we can state conclusively, that @GoJacks once tried to kill me with a softball bat. As I remember it, it occurred on a swinging strike 3.

What should the charges be? Was there intent? Was there premeditation? Motive?

 

[oviedo]

Yes candle warmer on stove, but that doesn't mean there can't be the 'sniff test' candles upstairs.

As PF bashed Kelsey's head I'm sure blood splattered and pooled. He would have gotten it on his shoes easily.

KK had a broom because she said the blood spatter was too high to reach. She probably used the broom with something on it to wipe at it.

There's not ONE doubt in my mind that blood was detected other than in just the bathroom.

JMO

And perhaps explains the large pieces of drywall or something removed from the condo after that first blood was spotted by KBs brother in the bathroom and then LE was called in - betting blood spatter was on it and her broom didn’t reach it
iMO

 

[AnnaGrace]

Please stop.

KK says KB's final words to PF.

Oh God. I've got to break a few minutes.
Heartbreaking.

 

[PiertotumLocomotor]

I just don't believe it possible for a victim to politely reply "please stop" when struck by a bat in the head.

I think that's another one of PF's liar liar pants on fire moments.

MOO

ETA: I don't want to think that KB ever knew what hit her.

I imagined it as a plead, “please...stop...”. Possibly crawling away trying to get away from him...and toward baby K.

I hate writing that.

 

[Safeguard]

Yes candle warmer on stove, but that doesn't mean there can't be the 'sniff test' candles upstairs.

As PF bashed Kelsey's head I'm sure blood splattered and pooled. He would have gotten it on his shoes easily.

KK had a broom because she said the blood spatter was too high to reach. She probably used the broom with something on it to wipe at it.

There's not ONE doubt in my mind that blood was detected other than in just the bathroom.

JMO

bbm

That would depend on how absorbent the "sweater" tied around her head was.

 

[Lhughessk]

BBM. KK is desperate and is laying on the sensational drama.

JMO

She has no reason to be desperate. Her deal is done. Making up stuff about the last words serves no purpose. Sorry, but you’re just wrong on this. Just because KK made horrible choices doesn’t mean she’s lying under oath now. Take her words at face value - the prosecution certainly is.