CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #60

[LovesPeace2]

@GoJacks was in the courtroom today, and will have a recap for us later on.

TY @GoJacks

 

[NuttMegg]

imo, a blow to the head strong enough to dislodge a tooth is going to result in unconsciousness rather than conversation.
JMO

How do you know which blow dislodged a tooth? Have you ever seen a hockey team pose without their dental devices? People get teeth knocked out all the time without losing consciousness.
I dislodged a tooth long ago when I hit the end of the pool making a bad turn.

 

[girlhasnoname]

According to 9News KUSA:

PF told KK that he cleaned up at Kelsey's and washed his clothes there.

 

[Medstudies]

How do you know which blow dislodged a tooth? Have you ever seen a hockey team pose without their dental devices? People get teeth knocked out all the time without losing consciousness.
I dislodged a tooth long ago when I hit the end of the pool making a bad turn.

I lost two teeth with a dislocated jaw in a MVA accident without loss of consciousness...

 

[Gardenista]

Ohhh! "Breeding horses" was PF and KK's code word for the crime. So, they did talk about this a bit more in advance.

Washed his shirt and pants at her condo

 

[sun16]

I do wonder how the PF and KK conversations went after the murder. The tone. Almost an hour talking. He really offered all these details and told KK what Kelsey’s last words were? Why? Since he seems to be a man of few words. Or did KK ask about some details? How did he come across? Was KK deep down glad Kelsey was gone? But she is playing a traumatized hero witness now? I wonder what he is writing as KK testifies. What he is telling his attorneys. We’ve talked about all this before I suppose. Perhaps we’ll get more info tomorrow.

 

[MassGuy]

According to 9News KUSA:

PF told KK that he cleaned up at Kelsey's and washed his clothes there.

Wow! Well that explains why he was there for that length of time.

 

[MyBelle]

I work with abuse situations everyday. Murder is abuse. Killing a child's mother is abuse. Threatening to kill someone's dog or child is abuse. Threatening that children go missing is abuse. If you do not see a very strong pattern of abuse here, you are missing the strong reality.

I typically do not reply to comments that do not require comment but I see trauma and abuse every single day and this is it.

BBM. I'm not seeing a strong pattern of abuse because it is just words and accusations. Judges require actual proof such as text messages or police reports before they will sign an emergency order of protection. Did KK attempt to obtain a protection order after PF threatened her child? Not that I'm aware.

JMO

 

[AnnaGrace]

My God. She knew what was happening to her.

I always hoped she was knocked out immediately, and never had a clue.

This is beyond horrific. There aren’t words to describe it.

I hope those words are seared into the minds of those jurors, and they remember them when they nail the .

Me too. I'm just sick. It's so hard to hit like on these posts. Dear Lord.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I know it sounds picky, but didn't the neighbor AG just testify two days ago that she had just recently met KB, and given her the child gate? How can PF be telling KB that she didn't latch it months before she owned a gate? IMO

Those pesky truths do have a habit of getting in the way, don't they?

JMO

When small kids are in the home it's not unusual to have more than one child gate.

 

[oviedo]

Yup. First try to obtain full custody by making false abuse allegations.

If that fails, kill your way to custody.

“Kill your way to custody “
Brings to mind Another killer wanting custody in CT
I need to remember that - makes me wonder if JFD also said “please stop”
JMO

 

[Aydrianna523]

I believe pf could be convicted even without kk's testimony. She just corroborated evidence, phone records, and provided unknown facts. But there was plenty of evidence out there without her.
Jurors these days want a lot, hence kk's testimony.

 

[Medstudies]

KK lied to the FBI. I have no reason to believe she's telling the truth now.

I think KK thrives on drama and being the center of attention.

JMO

she lies and she’s not believable. He lies and ... what?

MOO: him= a murderer

 

[GoJacks]

Yes washed clothes @ condo

Took bat in wrapped in his sweatshirt.

 

[Alathea]

“Kill your way to custody “
Brings to mind Another killer wanting custody in CT
I need to remember that - makes me wonder if JFD also said “please stop”
JMO

I'm wondering that too.
And if it's possible FD may have used a bat. Not likely, but possible.
Lots of similarities in these murders.

The cleanup: some similarities in how the men got their GFs to clean up the bloody mess.

Wouldn't it be crazy if we found out FD stayed to wash his clothes afterwards...

 

[justaparent]

When small kids are in the home it's not unusual to have more than one child gate.

Exactly. And those gates sometimes aren’t super long lasting, leading to the need for another.

MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

When small kids are in the home it's not unusual to have more than one child gate.

Yeah, I just kept mine up all the time and climbed over them. It's easier then moving them around.

Imo

 

[scapa]

Perhaps you two have met before. JMHO.

On the baseball diamond?

Today’s testimony is truly horrific and deeply sad. Such dysfunction, brutality and callousness in the buildup, murder and aftermath. For whatever reason the “cleanup” bothers me as much as the rest, the attempt at total erasure of such a vibrant person and the strange intimacy of it. Just awful.

 

[oviedo]

Wow! Well that explains why he was there for that length of time.

So if the murder occurred after 2:20 and he had clean clothes at 4:20 he would have had to be done by 3 to wash and dry assuming 45 min or so per cycle ? That’s pretty close and I wonder if they did take the shower drain and washer apart after she talked ?
JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I don't disagree, but I'm curious what the question she was responding to was. I've just seen this quoted as an answer without context. The context may change how I feel about this answer. But, probably not.

I'm curious how KK knew at that point that KB's mother would be coming to the condo.

JMO