CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #61

[iambarb2]

It probably wouldn't "look good" if she appeared like she had just gotten her hair done.

Imo

I'm thinking she is letting her hair grow back to its natural color as she knows she is going into prison and will not have a need to use hair color there.

 

[dgfred]

That is true... I guess next-door neighbor is relative to where you live. Haha

 

[Dave F.]

What other 'items' did he take with him... besides a bat? If just the bat maybe he had it 'just in case' the opportunity arrived. Sure was a weird plan.

Great choice of words:
"Sure was a weird plan."
Pretty well sums it up IMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

Ma F apparently did, and she intended to plead the Fifth.

Obviously the physical evidence corroborates this, as we already know. We should hear more specifics in the coming days, when the prosecution gets around to the physical evidence.

We also know that PF and KK are caught on camera buying the gas.
Still Missing - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

Yep can’t wait to hear Ma Frazee plead the 5th.

 

[justaparent]

snipped... How could there have been NO flesh burning smell? I doubt KK is lying about no smell, but she didn’t see a body, and I can’t get past this no smell thing. Is no smell POSSIBLE? Ugh.

I would think the same thing. But recently, a young lady was burned in Salt Lake right behind a house in a residential area (MacKenzie Lueck). I don’t believe anyone reported smelling the type of odor you would expect.

MOO

 

[iambarb2]

I'm thinking she is going into prison and knows she will not use hair color there. Save any commissary money for other things.

 

[MassGuy]

Yep can’t wait to hear Ma Frazee please the 5th.

Her pleading the Fifth, is almost as damning as her admitting to what she saw.

If she did nothing criminal, then she has nothing to fear. She’s essentially admitting that what KK says is true, without actually saying it.

We did hear that the judge mentioned the word “immunity” in reference to his meeting with SF. If that deal was finalized, then she doesn’t have a choice in the matter.

Put that woman on the stand!

 

[Love Never Fails]

She said you can see Frazees home from her house. It’s hilly and mountainous there. Just saying. No worries. The DA will prove his case.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Her pleading the Fifth, is almost as damning as her admitting to what she saw.

If she did nothing criminal, then she has nothing to fear. She’s essentially admitting that what KK says is true, without actually saying it.

We did hear that the judge mentioned the word “immunity” in reference to his meeting with SF. If that deal was finalized, then she doesn’t have a choice in the matter.

Yes! And the question would be, immunity from what exactly?

 

[Area52]

Regarding the baseball bat, here is where I think his plan went askew.. I think that PF spent a great deal of time watching TV, specifically shows like Tom and Jerry, and Wile E Coyote. Hell, they beat each other over the head all the time, and there is never any blood!

 

[Seattle1]

I'm thinking he might have used kerosene. Kerosene doesn't explode but will produce a huge fire if a lot is used.

I think of "explosion" when gasoline used as accelerant in an enclosed area versus outdoors because of air/fuel ratio.

"Controlled burns" on farms are very normal. If I remember correctly, it was earlier said that PF alerted his neighbors he would be doing some burning on Sat evening.

I believe there was also a report that PF and KK filled gas can(s) at the the infamous Conoco near the franchette.

MOO

NASD - Farm Fuel Safety

 

[Aydrianna523]

The moronicity is off the charts. As soon as I heard of the bashing plan with the metal Pipe. My eyes about rolled out of my head. As if it's one,and done thing. No mess,no hassle.
How did he ever manage to tie his own shoes? Without help?

He seems a bit slow to me as well. But I always remember, if kb's brother didn't find blood, pf might have gotten away with it.
He has some kind of criminal smarts.
He also seemed attracted to smart women for some reason... to fix his problems?

 

[Steelslady]

Hey WS Friends, I am still behind. Reading snippets here and there today.

I just gotta say (from what I have read so far), I don't care anymore is KK doesn't get jail time. I still hope karma gets her, but that SOB needs to be locked up for life (IMO) If she is instrumental in helping that to happen, I am good with her plea deal.

I'm not so sure that I agree.

She does deserve to serve time. She knew about this murder coming, she was a part of it all- the attempts, the clean up. Kelsey's family suffered through hell this past 11 and plus months.

Her sobbing just doesn't touch my soul, sorry. Her only regret in all of this is that they were both caught. In order for her to continue to remain a free woman, she has no choice now but to testify. So any little time that she may have to serve, I want that for her. Kelsey didn't get a second chance at life, she's gone forever- no more memories with Baby K, her parents, her brother. Meanwhile, Krystal went off and had a hell of a good time partying after she clean up Kelsey's blood in the condo and helped PF burn what the heck was in that tote.

Someone said awhile back, that ranchers burn farm animals when they die- is this correct? Could that be the reason why there was no unusual odor- to them, it wouldn't be any different, smell wise, if they've burned animals before in this manner.

 

[Simply Southern]

PF and KB didn’t live together, and Kelsey wasn’t a true threat to her.

Saying that she was jealous and vindictive, isn’t actually supported by anything.

What is supported, is that she told multiple people about the solicitation attempts, and about the alleged abuse.

If she wanted Kelsey out of the way so badly, those three murder attempts wouldn’t have been “attempts.”

She also wouldn’t have opened her mouth about the things she did.

That’s why I have a major problem with this narrative that she wanted Kelsey murdered as bad as he did. There’s no evidence that she put the idea in his head, and tons of evidence that it occurred the other way.

I’m just looking at this logically.

BBM

Yes, I agree and see your point. I let my emotions get the best of me!!! I've met a few very vindictive, jealous women and their capability.

I thank and respect you for keeping me on the path of logic. Thanks!! I know that's what will win a criminal case.

Just had a lapse of hate filled anger. Sorry....

Please, keep steering me on the right path...

JMHO... and a good boss who said...always listen to folks smarter than one's self.

 

[Artis]

Lies are lies and KK is under oath. I seriously doubt the jury is blindly taking KK's word as fact and that creates a serious problem for the prosecution.

JMO

Do tell, how so.

She's trying to paint herself in a better light. Anyone can see through that BS. There is no problem for the prosecution because Rodeo Queen was in Idaho when Kelsey was murdered. There's no doubt about who killed Kelsey. It wasn't somebody else who called that to come clean up the murder scene, it was the killer, Patrick Frazee.

 

[Lhughessk]

Ma F apparently did, and she intended to plead the Fifth.

Obviously the physical evidence corroborates this, as we already know. We should hear more specifics in the coming days, when the prosecution gets around to the physical evidence.

We also know that PF and KK are caught on camera buying the gas.
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Still Missing - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #58

Something I’m still confused about:

The burning took place at Nash Ranch.
Sheila was not at Nash but was at home.
How then could KK see Sheila come out on her front porch? Even if the two properties are adjacent, you’re talking about a lot of acreage.

 

[NuttMegg]

She said you can see Frazees home from her house. It’s hilly and mountainous there. Just saying. No worries. The DA will prove his case.

Earlier someone posted lat long to the exact google earth spot of the fire, it looked like there was a neighbor nearby, unless the Frazees have several large houses.

 

[MassGuy]

He seems a bit slow to me as well. But I always remember, if kb's brother didn't find blood, pf might have gotten away with it.
He has some kind of criminal smarts.
He also seemed attracted to smart women for some reason... to fix his problems?

That wasn’t him though, KK did the cleaning. PF created that bloody mess, and left that bloody mess.

He literally picked the worst way to murder someone, and came up with the worst way to cover it up.

By carrying out a deception that tracked his movements, and proved that only he could be the killer.

 

[susiQ]

We have a winner!

Post of the day!

Thank you @SuziQ! But the day is still young! Not sure I can stay on top with so many distinguished members here

 

[MassGuy]

Something I’m still confused about:

The burning took place at Nash Ranch.
Sheila was not at Nash but was at home.
How then could KK see Sheila come out on her front porch? Even if the two properties are adjacent, you’re talking about a lot of acreage.

The burning occurred at the Franch (PF and Ma’s residence).

Nash Ranch is where the body was stored for about a day and a half.