CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #61

[NoeticSoul]

KK blames PF for everything which is no surprise. But why would PF request KK get a burner phone when he was contacting her via the ranch's landline? Her entire testimony seems to be total deflection and embellishment. I think the jury is going to have a very hard time trying to figure out what is true and what isn't.

I look forward to LE testimony about how much blood evidence the chemical analysis uncovered in the condo.

JMO

I believe the jury will do fine with her testimony. moo

 

[Aydrianna523]

I had asked why the media keeps mentioning her name is now Lee, not Kenney. Seattle said KK requested at this trial that she be recognized by her name Lee. But Kenney is her maiden name and she is divorced. So I guess she still uses her married name but the warrants and charges said mostly Kenney.

Wonder why warrants used Kenney. She's not Hollywood...(yet).
I guess she gets to pick and choose her name. Interesting.

 

[GoJacks]

I don't know, but to folks usually tote tools in there?... or can they tote like Elk or deer when they hunt and stuff?

I think a couple people have testified he kept his farrier supplies in them.


But I don't know about what other people would use them for....
Probably not a body like PF

 

[PommyMommy]

Apparently there are more folks than just KK's father who can attest that KK was in Idaho on Thanksgiving. I remember going round and round about this... MOO

Mistress: Patrick Frazee stuffed Kelsey Berreth's body in tote, burned it - KRDO
On November 22nd, 2018, Lee described receiving a call from Frazee while she was entertaining a roomful of Thanksgiving guests. She said he told her she had a big mess to clean up, and to travel from Idaho to Colorado as soon as possible to do it. Lee described being unsure as to whether he’d really killed Berreth.

 

[gitana1]

These must be the same two that made the dump run with PF. MOO

Yes. I wondered if they talked. Some figured whoever was with him had.

 

[MemPat]

LBM

I don't think that's what PF's mother wants at all.

She had years to have him committed if he's mentally ill.
But no.

Some psychopaths or sociopaths can be intelligent and show no signs of mental illness until it's too late for their victims.
Although intelligence is obviously not a factor in PF's decision- making.
Good that he had ma to help him.

She was going somewhere with him the day PF and SF were both arrested and SF was detained.
A good probability they were planning to conceal baby K from the Berreths'.

No, SF does not want to see PF in prison and has been supportive of him.
When on the stand it's also predictable that she won't 'remember' anything or pleads the fifth.
Anything to protect PF and keep him from facing life in prison or any prison time at all , would be the most likely.
SF will do and say whatever it takes.

But you are certainly right, time will tell.

I don't claim to have any special knowledge on PF's past.....just foolishly speculating.

I do know it's not that easy to get someone committed for psychiatric care unless they've already tried to hurt themselves or someone else.

(May I add that I would want my child locked up in a mental institution if she had a psychiatric condition, not in a prison.)

Again, I make no claim that PF is confirmed mentally ill and he seemed to make many "consciousness of guilt" decisions along the way toward killing Kelsey and disposing of her body.

So I take it all back! Ha!

 

[Noharg]

I mean you make good points but how on earth are they going to create the narrative that she killed Kelsey on another day elsewhere?

I can’t imagine dingbat PF testifying.[/QUOTE

Could they plan to weave that particular narrative into their closing statement?

 

[NoeticSoul]

Yes. I wondered if they talked. Some figured whoever was with him had.

I am a bit surprised to learn that they mentioned that PF told them that the "remnants" need to be discarded in the river. At least we somewhat know why LE never searched for the physical remains/body. That was a big question in the beginning when the dumps turned up nada. moo

 

[Seattle1]

Apparently there are more folks than just KK's father who can attest that KK was in Idaho on Thanksgiving. I remember going round and round about this... MOO

Mistress: Patrick Frazee stuffed Kelsey Berreth's body in tote, burned it - KRDO
On November 22nd, 2018, Lee described receiving a call from Frazee while she was entertaining a roomful of Thanksgiving guests. She said he told her she had a big mess to clean up, and to travel from Idaho to Colorado as soon as possible to do it. Lee described being unsure as to whether he’d really killed Berreth.

According to KK -- she talked to him in all areas of the house and even outside because he kept calling. Recalling the angry "answer the ducking phone" text too!

 

[PommyMommy]

I don't claim to have any special knowledge on PF's past.....just foolishly speculating.

I do know it's not that easy to get someone committed for psychiatric care unless they've already tried to hurt themselves or someone else.

(May I add that I would want my child locked up in a mental institution if she had a psychiatric condition, not in a prison.)

Again, I make no claim that PF is confirmed mentally ill and he seemed to make many "consciousness of guilt" decisions along the way toward killing Kelsey and disposing of her body.

So I take it all back! Ha!

I think he's just pure evil and plain stupid. MOO

 

[MemPat]

Her mother testified that she miscarried around Thanksgiving 2016, so unless she was close to full term (which would actually be a stillbirth and not miscarriage), it's unlikely they were pregnant at the same time.

The thought keeps niggling at me that Patrick may have put something in a drink that caused Kelsey to miscarry that first time. It just sounds like something he would do.

 

[MassGuy]

According to KK -- she talked to him in all areas of the house and even outside because he kept calling. Recalling the angry "answer the ducking phone" text too!

Yeah, the defense has made no attempt to call into question her alibi, and it’s clear they never will.

Not that there is a chance in hell that they could anyways.

 

[NoeticSoul]

The thought keeps niggling at me that Patrick may have put something in a drink that caused Kelsey to miscarry that time. It just sounds like something he would do.

I think he wanted to preproduce like his cattle/dogs, with his 'own' kid, and wanted a single woman to cater to HIM (and pay for it!) to do so. moo

ETA and to do all the rest of his work/chores/responsibilities for free while he abused (*trained) his animals... and THEM!

 

[Seattle1]

Hell, extraction would be too good for her.

I can't believe you actually typed that!!

 

[Steelslady]

Good thing I was not in that court room. I would have had to use one of those trash cans to puke in at this self serving statement.

You and me both- we'd be fighting over the trash can.

Even though we knew most of this beforehand, just knowing she said this on the stand, in front of Kelsey's father and brother, makes me sick. Does she think she's some kind of hero now, for outing Patrick? LE basically knew he was guilty of murder before they got their mitts on her- she definitely did help with evidence, I will give her that. She did that, though, to save her own butt.

 

[osu]

I had asked why the media keeps mentioning her name is now Lee, not Kenney. Seattle said KK requested at this trial that she be recognized by her name Lee. But Kenney is her maiden name and she is divorced. So I guess she still uses her married name but the warrants and charges said mostly Kenney.

Maybe her family has asked her not to use their family name anymore? Or maybe they’ve all disowned her?

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Sam notes..

The two ranch hands that PF hired. First one, the teenager, had been working there since about July 2018 until November. Never met or had ever seen KB. Was very nervous on the stand. 18 years old, probably not a surprise that he was nervous, to discover he was a part of this.

About 75% of the trough was rusted out. PF told him to move it closer to the dog kennels. Photos showed discoloring, etc. They had to dig that out. Fill dirt in driveway. Pick up 100-150 nails from wooden pallets. Noted the faded gas can. Filled in with tan dirt. Original was red.

Said PF told him about lighting the fire. He called his relationship with PF that of a boss, a friend, a mentor. When he told him to move that trough, that PF told him to do that because he "just wanted to get some things cleaned up."

Could smell ash, smoke. As part of the fire, PF said he burnt some deer antlers. Possibly to justify there being bones if indeed there were any bones discovered. (Sam's speculation). Flames got as high as 13 feet. PF was concerned that trees could get set on fire. PF mentioned that his mother had come out.

If the trough was 75% rusted out, I'm surprised it would hold the concentrated weight of a human body in a container but then, I still don't believe KB's body was in the container.

JMO

 

[chi123]

One thing that I’m insanely curious about but I suspect we’ll never know the answer too is how much mom knew about what happened before, during and after.

What do you guys think?

 

[Artis]

She didn't own up, though. They hunted her down and had her by the toe nails. She made the deal with them to get a lighter sentence and then told all, which matches up with evidence found.

They had her, though, in terms of her cell phone, her bringing Kelsey's cell phone back with her, even having it ping while she was on her way back to Idaho. Among other things.

She did not come to LE on her own. We must all remember this. Her tears are selfish tears.

She probably is reacting to Baby K's photo hard because I am sure if any of her family and friends are upstanding people, then they would be after her like no other, asking her how a mother herself could live with herself, cleaning up and throwing away the baby's stuff, because the mother's blood was all over it. How she could allow her boyfriend to kill his girlfriend with the baby in the condo with him, and her cover for him. How she could help burn her body. IF she was a member of my family, you can bet she wouldn't get an ounce of sympathy for me, and I'd be changing the locks on all of my doors and wouldn't allow her back into my life or my family's life.

This woman is also a narc. Don't be fooled by those so called emotional outbursts. She's only crying because she was caught, and because she was caught, Patrick was caught. She had no choice but to turn on him. No choice. This woman attempted three times to kill Kelsey. When Patrick finally did it, she didn't hesitate to come and do the clean up and help burn Kelsey's body and other things like trash from the condo with blood on it.

Then she went home and went to Vegas and partied like she had not a care in the world.

Krystal did not do anything honorable here. She did not feel for the Berreth family. She did not do the right thing- had she done the right thing, either Kelsey would be alive today, or Patrick would have been arrested the day after Thanksgiving. That's doing the right thing.

She couldn't live with herself- oh BS. Had they both not been caught, she'd be driving back and forth to Colorado for her cowboy.

EVERYTHING you said. Spot on.

 

[MsJosie]

Sam notes..

Defense attorney tells her "you knew exactly what needed to be said" - to get her plea deal.

Defense pointing out the ridiculousness of all the times that KK didn't want to get caught, but then claims she turned on KB's phone to leave her breadcrumb clues.

When police showed up first time to talk to her, she lied. She didn't tell them about any of the solicitation attempts either. He notes again that KK is keeping this crime from everyone.

KK says abortion was her decision, that she lied to PF about a miscarriage.

Basically that KK lies, lies, lies and is lying to avoid prison. And that was end of cross examination. A little over an hour. Very tense. Very back and forth.

KK knew what to say because she had a lawyer tell her what to say, what to expect and helped her get the plea deal. KK would not know on her own. Not standing up for her, just stating an obvious fact IMO.