CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #61

[Aydrianna523]

He may be in charge of whatever method they use to clock in and out.

Yes. They can catch false clock ins and outs. For example, if you have someone who clocks in, but then goes back out to drink in their car. Or an employee stealing.
That kind of thing through analyzing cameras, and paperwork...

 

[PommyMommy]

So how exactly did KK know the body was in the tote? Why wasn’t she more specific about that in her testimony? Did she ask? Did PF tell her? Why wasn’t she more clearly asked about it by the lawyers? I see no way the two of them did not discuss this the entire weekend. It’s weird to me.

Per her testimony, PF told her he brought the tote into the townhouse and put KB's body in it. MOO

 

[yawningreyhound]

Jakob from Twitter: One thing to add onto from earlier today... the officers who testified earlier, who were in charge of bloodhounds, said that bleach and cleaning supplies could affect the dogs' ability to detect the scents of decomposing human remains.

I was wondering if that were the case on the main floor if there was just so much bleach....

 

[SandyQLS]

You might be on to something. She was getting rid of everything else on her way home, why not the body?

FBI Special Agent ".... Hoyland then showed Kenney’s phone connecting to various towers between Idaho around 6:30 p.m. Nov. 23 all the way down through Salt Lake City and Grand Junction and into Florissant by 6:30 a.m. Nov. 24.

He also showed connections showing her phone leaving the area around 7:30 p.m. on Nov. 24 and arriving back in Idaho around 10:30 a.m. Nov. 25...."

Frazee trial: Kenney testifies, details murder cleanup

PF was never back at the ranchette until at least 6:30PM on Saturday Nov 24 (SW18-112, page 19) and KK was already on her way out of dodge.

How could KK watch a bonfire and take a nap, eat pizza, PF went inside for an hour etc. if she was leaving Florissant per the FBI just as PF had just arrived at the ranchette?

Google maps Florissant, CO to Twin Falls, ID via I-70 West is 751 miles and drive time is approx. 11 1/2 hours. It took KK 15 hours to make this 11 to 11 1/2 hour drive, but it was not because she was watching a bonfire at the ranchette IMO.

Google maps Florissant, CO to Cisco, Utah via I-70 West is 306 miles and drive time is approx. 5 hours.

KK + KB phones were pinging the cell towers near Cisco, Utah between 4:11AM and 4:23AM on Nov 25 (per AW item#40, expanded on in SW's). Google maps from there to Twin Falls, ID is another 450 miles in 7 hours, which is straight through driving to arrive at 10:30AM, or in Idaho but somewhat south of Twin Falls.

So KK's "lost 3-4 hours" is somewhere between her departure 7:30PM Florissant to 4:15AM Cisco, Utah, where 9 hours passes for a 5 hour drive.

iirc KK has a grandma with land who lives in Fruita, CO near Grand Junction, CO on I-70.

All JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Boom!

Also: Footage was shown at the Conoco gas station in Florissant. It included video of #PatrickFrazee filling up a six-gallon, faded red gas can with gasoline. Prosecutors say he later used that gas to fuel the fire that he lit to burn #KelseyBerreth's body.
@csgazette

Jakob Rodgers on Twitter

Finally, the footage showed #PatrickFrazee's truck and the black car used by Krystal Lee pulling in and out of the gas station throughout the late afternoon and evening of Nov. 24.
@csgazette #KelseyBerreth

Jakob Rodgers on Twitter

Excellent -- I'm really glad to see this confirmed as I didn't want to go through the AR Application again!

 

[MsBetsy]

OOOH, I can help here. I work in a large Federal government building. We are issued smartcards that allow us to access the building and our computers. There are card readers at the doors and we use card readers to access our computers as well. There are also many cameras inside and outside of the building. I guarantee you that the security officer could tell you what time I entered the building on any particular day, and when I was at my computer. I imagine that a hospital would have a similar security setup. MOO

Yes, even about 20 years ago when I volunteered at a hospital we had to go through security. After awhile they get to know you.
I'm sure the head of security knew who KK was.

Imo

 

[PommyMommy]

NOV 8, 2019
Prosecutors attempt to corroborate witness in Patrick Frazee trial
[...]

The prosecution’s key witness, Krystal Lee Kenney, testified for the two days prior about how she helped Frazee clean the crime scene and burn Berreth’s body, giving an exact timeline of how she drove from Idaho to Colorado and how she and Frazee moved about Teller County to hide evidence.

Testimony on Friday showed the breadth of the investigation into the Woodland Park mother’s disappearance and alleged murder by her fiancé. Prosecutors called in Kenney’s father as well as a Woodland Park Sonic Drive In manager who helped investigators find video of Kenney at the fast food restaurant, and the man who runs security at the Idaho hospital where Kenney worked. Some of the witnesses’ testimony lasted less than five minutes.

[...]

Many of the witnesses gave testimony that corroborated Kenney’s account.

Kenney’s father, Sidney Dustin Kenney, corroborated his daughter’s story that she was at her Idaho home on Thanksgiving Day – the day Frazee allegedly killed Berreth.

[...]

The hospital security manager said that Kenney was indeed in the hospital on Nov. 23 when she said she was there to change her on-call shift scheduled for the next day. Kenney said she had to change her shift so she could travel to Colorado.

[...]

Security camera footage showed Kenney at a Woodland Park Sonic Drive-In...
Images from a gas station showed Kenney and Frazee’s vehicles moving in and out of the parking lot, consistent with what Kenney told investigators, a Colorado Bureau of Investigation agent testified. The footage also showed Frazee filling a large red gas can on Nov. 24...

[...]

On Dec. 4, two days after Berreth’s mother reported her missing, a cadaver dog swept Berreth’s condo. While the dog alerted to a pair of dirty underwear in the bathroom, it did not alert anywhere else in the house, which Kenney said had been covered in blood a week prior.

[...]

One of the teens – soft-spoken and scared — testified that Frazee asked him in the days after Thanksgiving to move dirt to the area of the fire and cover up a burn scar left on the ground. Kenney later led investigators to the spot, and law enforcement removed the new dirt, revealing a large burn mark.

[…]

WORD of the day = CORROBORATION

 

[sun16]

KK’s testimony, while great for on-the-record corroboration, seemed slim to me —much we had already heard or assumed. Lots of details and additional commentary just not there — other stuff they said to each other (how about the 47 minute phone call), etc.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

That MIGHT be true. But I don’t know that it can be stated as fact quite yet. Right? KK never saw a body in the tote. There was no smell of burning human remains that she detected. And didn’t he imply to her that he did something else with the body? I forget what he said, and realize he could have lied. So unless I’ve missed it, there is still the question of whether the tote had the body or whether it just contained the bloody clothing and toys and such.

Isn’t that right?

From what I recall, PF told her the body was in the tote, they drove together to get the tote, she saw him put the tote in the trough, and she saw him light the fire in the trough.

I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that her body was anywhere else but the tote.

Her not smelling a burning body is nothing.

 

[Wishbone]

FBI Special Agent ".... Hoyland then showed Kenney’s phone connecting to various towers between Idaho around 6:30 p.m. Nov. 23 all the way down through Salt Lake City and Grand Junction and into Florissant by 6:30 a.m. Nov. 24.

He also showed connections showing her phone leaving the area around 7:30 p.m. on Nov. 24 and arriving back in Idaho around 10:30 a.m. Nov. 25...."

Frazee trial: Kenney testifies, details murder cleanup

PF was never back at the ranchette until at least 6:30PM on Saturday Nov 24 (SW18-112, page 19) and KK was already on her way out of dodge.

How could KK watch a bonfire and take a nap, eat pizza, PF went inside for an hour etc. if she was leaving Florissant per the FBI just as PF had just arrived at the ranchette?

Google maps Florissant, CO to Twin Falls, ID via I-70 West is 751 miles and drive time is approx. 11 1/2 hours. It took KK 15 hours to make this 11 to 11 1/2 hour drive, but it was not because she was watching a bonfire at the ranchette IMO.

Google maps Florissant, CO to Cisco, Utah via I-70 West is 306 miles and drive time is approx. 5 hours.

KK + KB phones were pinging the cell towers near Cisco, Utah between 4:11AM and 4:23AM on Nov 25 (per AW item#40, expanded on in SW's). Google maps from there to Twin Falls, ID is another 450 miles in 7 hours, which is straight through driving to arrive at 10:30AM, or in Idaho but somewhat south of Twin Falls.

So KK's "lost 3-4 hours" is somewhere between her departure 7:30PM Florissant to 4:15AM Cisco, Utah, where 9 hours passes for a 5 hour drive.

iirc KK has a grandma with land who lives in Fruita, CO near Grand Junction, CO on I-70.

All JMO

Interesting theory and timeline.

 

[Aydrianna523]

Thank you and others for helping us understand how true phsychopaths can easily fool outsiders.

I thankfully have never personally known a true phsychopath and for those of us who have never dealt with one personally, it can be hard for us to fully understand how they can fool others.

It wasnt until the Jodi Arias trial that I really comprehended how they are and seeing her day in and day out in that courtroom and listening to evidence about how she treated others I finally understood. It was the first time I can say that I finally understood what we often hear about them from others who have dealt with their kind.

CC's statements below are more easily understood when we begin to realize this is how CC perceived him because that is all he knew. He never got to see how PF really treated KB or his Ex-GF. He only got to see what PF wanted him to see.

"“I’m shocked and annoyed at how people are acting,” he said. “There’s been no evidence presented so far. He’s an all-around nice guy and a good dad.”"

Yeah. I always think those supporters of people with psychopathy would change their minds if they lived with them. They're just seeing a facade.

 

[sun16]

From what I recall, PF told her the body was in the tote, they drove together to get the tote, she saw him put the tote in the trough, and she saw him light the fire in the trough.

I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that her body was anywhere else but the tote.

Her not smelling a burning body is nothing.

Ok thanks guys!

 

[MsBetsy]

So how exactly did KK know the body was in the tote? Why wasn’t she more specific about that in her testimony? Did she ask? Did PF tell her? Why wasn’t she more clearly asked about it by the lawyers? I see no way the two of them did not discuss this the entire weekend. It’s weird to me.

They did talk about it. He told her he put her body in the tote and later took it to Nash Ranch.
KK said she saw a lump while the fire was burning, but she left long before he finished burning it.
The two Ranch helpers also testified that PF told them there may be deer antlers in the pile of ashes.

Imo

 

[Safeguard]

Per her testimony, PF told her he brought the tote into the townhouse and put KB's body in it. MOO

I can't see myself having this convo (or anything she heard and saw!) and not being absolutely petrified to spend one more second alone with this guy.

Seriously. I would be jumping out of my skin with anxiety, not going out for a snack or gobbling his pizza!
She's a scary as him imo. *shudder*

eta: Really, Would you even eat anything this psycho offered you? Especially after he tried to get you to poison someone?!

 

[PommyMommy]

Jennifer Meckles on Twitter
We heard from Julie Nash this AM, of the Nash Ranch. That’s where prosecutors say Patrick Frazee stored Kelsey’s in a tote inside a barn before he later burned it. Nash says only a few people had access to the barn, including Patrick, who leased some of the land for cattle.
12:17 PM - 8 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles on Twitter
Prosecution brings in Frank Hurst, a K9 officer (Elizabeth PD) who specializes in handling cadaver dogs. He testifies that he and his dog, Radar – a 140lb of bloodhound – helped search a barn on the Nash Ranch for human decomposition in the Berreth case.
12:17 PM - 8 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles on Twitter
Throughout this case the judge has certified experts as they testify in a certain area. Today, he certified “Radar” as an expert in detecting human decomposition. Judge Sells says:
“This is the first time I’ve ever certified an animal as an expert before”
12:17 PM - 8 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles on Twitter
A lighter moment, in the middle of this very sad case:
Radar’s handler says he would have brought Radar to court today but “he’s a really big dog and would throw slobber everywhere”
Judge Sells replies “Thank you.”
Courtroom crowd giggles
12:17 PM - 8 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles on Twitter
Hurst testifies that Radar indicated human decomposition scent on top of a haystack in a barn at Nash Ranch. We watch a video of them working, when Radar finds the spot. Prosecutors say this is where Frazee stored the tote with Kesley’s body inside.
12:17 PM - 8 Nov 2019

 

[gitana1]

Don’t confuse fact with subjective opinion. It is your subjective opinion that he “disparaged” or “bashed” KB. Not fact. And it is my opinion that he did not. How about we leave it at that?

Claiming the mother of your child abused your child and took off before without notice leaving the child with you would be used in a family court against the person as a negative because both would show Kelsey to be of low character. Therefore factually, it is disparaging in that sense.

The fact that neither are true make the intent of his statements clear.

 

[Aydrianna523]

This article has the most information I've seen so far about the hits by the dogs. This is just the part I clipped when I posted it.

Radar's method of alerting is to sit. He sat both at the bottom of the hay bales and at the top where the hay was discolored from the tote.

Radar has never had a false hit. Good doggie! MOO

Frazee trial: K-9 handlers say dogs hit on items tied to murder
He said Radar sat after he smelled the hay bales again near the bottom of them, which indicated a positive hit. Hurst said he saw stains on the top of the 12-foot hay bales, so he decided to get on top of them.

Prosecutors showed a picture of the top of the hale bale taken on Dec. 21, showing indented hay that was discolored – brown or possibly dark red – and which looked wet. Hurst said that spot is where Radar indicated again once he and Hurst were atop the hay bale. May showed a video of Radar sniffing around on the hay bales and sitting by the stained area of hay. Hurst said that even though the tote had been removed from the bale months earlier, he believed Radar could still smell something there because the barn had protected the hay from weather.

Great explanation of where the dog sat/indicated twice.

 

[Kapua]

Yes, even about 20 years ago when I volunteered at a hospital we had to go through security. After awhile they get to know you.
I'm sure the head of security knew who KK was.

Imo

I totally agree. The head of security in my large building knows me by name and probably knows the names of all of the long-time employees there. That's his job and he's very good at it. I expect the same applies at that hospital. MOO

 

[gitana1]

Why would the head security officer of a large hospital know who was at work? Not questioning his/her word, just seems odd to me. JMOL

Does it? Hospitals are secure places with tons of sensitive information, access to drugs including those that can kill people and vulnerable patients. The head of security darn well better know what employees are coming in and out and when.

 

[PommyMommy]

Jennifer Meckles on Twitter
We hear from another K9 officer, Brian Eberle. He and his dog Lucy searched #KelseyBerreth ’s home. He says Lucy found human decomp scent outside by one of Kelsey’s vehicles.
12:17 PM - 8 Nov 2019

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Jennifer Meckles on Twitter
Eberle says the only place inside Kelsey’s house where the dog indicated human decomp was a pair of underwear, in a bathroom. Prosecution asks if a dirty pair of underwear could alert a dog too? (not necessarily covered in blood) Eberle testifies yes – that would alert a dog.
12:17 PM - 8 Nov 2019

Jennifer Meckles on Twitter
Eberle says Lucy did not pick up any other scent inside Kelsey’s home. Remember Krystal testified that she cleaned the house using bleach. K9 handlers say bleach can cover decomp smell and affect the dog’s ability to find it
12:17 PM - 8 Nov 2019