CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #62

[Seattle1]

Jurors hear bombshell testimony from a... - Good Morning America

JM took notes

 

[MassGuy]

In Richard Craft's (the "woodchipper") murder case in CT of his wife Helle - many years ago - a forensic dentist identified a tooth fragment as positively being hers by matching it with an x-ray.

Just imagine what they can do today.

(PS - Crafts is either out of jail now, or will be in just months. )

Well we do know they used an x-ray on a piece of evidence here.

If it’s the tooth, then I would assume DNA testing failed.

 

[enelram]

In Richard Craft's (the "woodchipper") murder case in CT of his wife Helle - many years ago - a forensic dentist identified a tooth fragment as positively being hers by matching it with an x-ray.

Just imagine what they can do today.

(PS - Crafts is either out of jail now, or will be in just months. )

Yes the article I posted said just that- that they
are continually adding new dna tests as we speak.
I just had my rescue GSD dna breed tested along with
a health dna which identifies 170 genetic conditions she may be predisposed to.
And they are also adding to that list in the near future. The science of dna is fascinating.

 

[Simply Southern]

She could be an untrustworthy loose cannon.

BTW- in one Arrest Warrant I see LE took a checkbook from her home entitled "Estate of
Richard Frazee", so that would mean either she
or PF is executor of his estate. May be why the
others are so upset and suing.

BBM..
It was noted that SF was given immunity. I tried to find an exact statement, if this is criminal only or includes civil immunity.

I've wondered all along if she would be included in a civil suit, if she was involved. If so, the lady's got a lot to loose.

Hum...

 

[enelram]

Well we do know they used an x-ray on a piece of evidence here.

If it’s the tooth, then I would assume DNA testing failed.

My understanding from the dna article I posted is that in order to test the tooth they have to pulverize a portion of it so depending on how much of the whole tooth they found, they may not have had much left to x-ray.

 

[Megnut]

The nose bleed he's talking about is the one that happened when he dislodged the tooth. He is devoid of humanity. I hate knowing that he kept swinging, angrier and angrier at her. Her fault, in his deranged mind. And then to have the added gall to minimize in such horrifying fashion.

There's almost always a shard of truth in a pathological liar's lie.... it was a bloody nose, caused by him, with a baseball bat, and he didn't stop there. Monster. We can be glad though that his own words are coming back to damn him.

The defense, he didn't kill her, and also he didn't kill her in the townhouse. Psychopaths are masters of deceit, deflection and semantics... Again that truth embedded in the lie. It might be too horrible to consider.... that she was still alive when he put her in the tote....

Perhaps they need to test PF for human DNA to see if he has any.

MOO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Jurors hear bombshell testimony from a... - Good Morning America

JM took notes

Just SMH. He took notes,but couldn't alert LE,FBI.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

dbm

 

[Safeguard]

The nose bleed he's talking about is the one that happened when he dislodged the tooth. He is devoid of humanity. I hate knowing that he kept swinging, angrier and angrier at her. Her fault, in his deranged mind. And then to have the added gall to minimize in such horrifying fashion.

There's almost always a shard of truth in a pathological liar's lie.... it was a bloody nose, caused by him, with a baseball bat, and he didn't stop there. Monster. We can be glad though that his own words are coming back to damn him.

The defense, he didn't kill her, and also he didn't kill her in the townhouse. Psychopaths are masters of deceit, deflection and semantics... Again that truth embedded in the lie. It might be too horrible to consider.... that she was still alive when he put her in the tote....

Perhaps they need to test PF for human DNA to see if he has any.

MOO

Thread win. ^

 

[MassGuy]

My understanding from the dna article I posted is that in order to test the tooth they have to pulverize a portion of it so depending on how much of the whole tooth they found, they may not have had much left to x-ray.

Ok then. So they may have x-rayed it FIRST.

 

[Alathea]

Dbm

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Ok then. So they may have x-rayed it FIRST.

That makes sense. They can compare it to dental records,in addition to DNA testing.

 

[Megnut]

I think it's safe to assume that PF didn't walk in, tie a blindfold and swing. No, he came in, and easily they could've moved upstairs... distract the toddler downstairs, steal a few minutes... might not have been her first idea but I imagine him to be quite compelling... we know he gets his way.... we don't know how long he was there before he got violent or what they were doing or in what state of dress... they were an engaged couple, with a child, after all.... the candles tell me he was pretending to romance her.... remember, she had no reason to fear him.... until it was too late....

If only we could wind back the clock...

MOO

 

[enelram]

Ok then. So they may have x-rayed it FIRST.

Right, do you think this is the secretive item they discussed at length about the "testing" obliterating the item?

 

[MassGuy]

Right, do you think this is the secretive item they discussed at length about the "testing" obliterating the item?

Has to be. It makes perfect sense.

 

[Seattle1]

RE why her dirty undies were found on the floor of her bathroom upstairs and found by Lucy the dog.

^^sbm
Perhaps it was more than her panties on the bathroom floor. I don't doubt there could have been a quickie that day. (CW alleges he had sex with SW before he murdered her).

 

[Dave F.]

She could be an untrustworthy loose cannon.

BTW- in one Arrest Warrant I see LE took a checkbook from her home entitled "Estate of
Richard Frazee", so that would mean either she
or PF is executor of his estate. May be why the
others are so upset and suing.

Minor detail, but it's "Robert", not Richard.
The checkbook for the estate was seized in the search of the ranch house of December 14, 2018 under search warrant 18-112 while information about who was signed on the account was demanded from Ent FCU in search Warrant 18-113 dated December 19, 2018.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...ofinterest/2018CR330/002/18-112 Execution.pdf

 

[Insomnia Momma]

My understanding from the dna article I posted is that in order to test the tooth they have to pulverize a portion of it so depending on how much of the whole tooth they found, they may not have had much left to x-ray.

DBM - @MassGuy was already on it

 

[Mimi in London]

I've had this same thought. Many times. She may wait a little bit, to milk the 'battered (ish) woman turned hero" bs, but yeah. I'd bet the Franch she reconects with her, "best friend".


Imo that's exactly why she is crying now. If she didn't cry when she walked into Kelsey's condo that day, she sure as hell isn't crying with remorse now.

BBM
But she’s had time to think about it.




Joke. Sorry.

 

[Artis]

And KK looks totally pathetic to me as she recounts her history with PF.

I mean, not ONCE does she ever say that he tells her that he loves her.

Some say that she was obsessed with PF, and maybe she was? But you would think that she would somehow imply that PF told her that if KB were gone that they would be together.

Not one time is this ever mentioned. PF chose HER because he thought she loved him enough to actually do it. Turns out, he was wrong, and I think that played into his rage. MOO

Surprising he didn't tell KK it was her fault that he was forced to kill Kelsey.