CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #62

[dixiegirl1035]

Employer's are required by law to release date of hire and last day employed. Additional information can be construed as to defamatory and open for suit.

Potential employers do check social media.

Moo..

That, and most all do a credit check these days, which shows legal actions also.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

wonder if they had blood/ DNA in the treads.... just wearing them in a lot of dust might not remove traces from deep treads. Do we know what the bottoms looked like?

I did a post above of the brand, and all had deep treads that I saw. Here's the google images screen shot again. ETA A lot of crime shows they find the blood in the seams and where the bottom of the shoe meets the top.

 

[Artis]

I’ll take this as an excellent opportunity to clarify

While I have days I’m “kinder” than others, according to my kids, my opinion of KK is actually my clinical assessment based on my expertise. Not based on kindness.

It takes two to tango. Patrick danced with intention to murder Kelsey and needed a puppet. KK danced along, going deeper and deeper into murky waters, kept dancing and realized she’s drowning in quicksand.

KK will get her punishment, and I believe she will never do what she did again. Patrick would.

I did figure that was your professional opinion and as objective as possible, which I'll freely admit to being less so (understatement). I agree that she isn't likely to do such a thing again but only because the man of her dreams is going to prison. If they'd gotten away with this, I wouldn't put it past her to assist in his future criminal acts.

I see her as obsessed with him and while manipulated, it was she making 1500 mile round trips to chase him. He certainly wasn't around to brow beat her, like a live in boyfriend. She went looking that action. What do you make of that (psychologically)?

 

[iambarb2]

IMHO, there is very little love between siblings. And between brothers nothing but disgust. There seems to be a theme of abuse in this family. I just don't know who the chief abuser is...Ma or PF.

Do we know if the LE checked his truck for blood at the driver side at least? The blood marks in the apt were stated to be with a slotted sole pattern. And if he changed boots on the porch after returning home to Tksgvg dinner...there must be blood in his truck cab floor.

 

[MassGuy]

Do we know if the LE checked his truck for blood at the driver side at least? The blood marks in the apt were stated to be with a slotted sole pattern. And if he changed boots on the porch after returning home to Tksgvg dinner...there must be blood in his truck cab floor.

There’s no way they wouldn’t have processed his vehicle. All we know so far, is that they attempted to use Luminol in the truck bed, but it was covered in dust, which apparently interferes with it.

We should hear a great deal of forensic evidence this week.

 

[Artis]

Yeah, that's pretty much what everyone said when I asked "what if" he testifies?

I figured he doesn't have anything to lose so why not put the blame on KK?

Why not complicate things and put so much doubt in the jury's minds that they can't come to a decision?

They are claiming KK committed the murder on a different day but have not provided any evidence to support that.

I guess we will have to wait and see what the defense is going to do and how they plan to prove that PF did not do it.

Imo

Psychopaths think they can outsmart everybody but, if at any point, he becomes convinced he's going down, he could well insist on testifying to get even and implicate KK more than she is already. The guy is a walking ball of rage and would enjoy it.

 

[Artis]

And days were passing with BabyK in the care of the family from Hell.

I don't blame LE for accepting what KK and her attorneys cooked up if it meant saving that little girl.

While I think they got steamrolled on the deal, I agree that anything to save the baby was a-okay. However, I don't know that that was the first and most pressing thought in granting the deal. It very well may have been simply arresting him ASAP. I want to clarify that I think they could have made a better deal (worse for KK), in the same period of time, and still accomplished the quick arrest and getting Baby K.

 

[iambarb2]

Or as punishment for just doing what curious babies do,or maybe she touched the stove in the middle of the Franch. That sounds way more likely.
MOO.

I was happy to read the description of the LE who searched the Franch home and stated the information about the open stove area with child-resistant gates around it. Then stating the lack of toys for a child...funny that they tried to get custody. so, it is reasonable to think the baby got her burns from being too close to the living room stove at the Franch.

 

[MassGuy]

Psychopaths think they can outsmart everybody but, if at any point, he becomes convinced he's going down, he could well insist on testifying to get even and implicate KK more than she is already. The guy is a walking ball of rage and would enjoy it.

Two things would have to be true:

That he can implicate KK further, and in violation of her deal. This appears unlikely at best.

Secondly, he’d have to be willing to testify in the first place, which is contrary to how he’s handled everything thus far.

I’ve also never seen a murderer actually do that (sacrifice himself for spite). I think this is wishful thinking.

 

[Oregon]

If KB was dead, would PF be the beneficiary or otherwise control her portion of some monetary award to baby K? If PF's dad willed baby K an inheritance that KB had partial legal control over, would he want her dead for that reason?

If KB took the IRS dependent deduction for baby, in April, I would bet that PF was furious. That may have been another trigger for him. How dare she take claim to his child.

 

[Artis]

no, that was the other father figure, RS where
PF spent the evening of Thanksgiving, we think.

PF left with the fire burning to go see that guy?

 

[Artis]

I'm sure people have hidden more powerful weapons underneath a sweater they are wearing as well as wrapped up in sweater they are holding. Reportedly, investigators found both wooden club and bats at the franch.

Wonder what happened to that metal pipe KK was supposed to kill Kelsey with.

 

[Mimi in London]

Absolutely on the fantasy beating -- he covered KB's head with a sweater and was seeing SF's face with every swing of the bat.

MOO

I think he was seeing KK’s face, too. She wouldn’t do the deed, well I’ll give her something to clean.

ETA MOO

 

[katydid23]

"Even Krystal admitted that Patrick wanted her to take Kelsey's body with her back to Idaho."

Oh - I missed that part. what a *** - PF. I think you are probably right - he had set up KK to take the fall for the murder. He'd probably claim KK was jealous of KB and killed her.

I think he wanted to set her up too. But even if she had taken the body, the timeline would work against him. If he wasn't such an idiot, he would have waited to kill KB when KK was already in town. There would at least be room for reasonable doubt that way.

This guy is too stupid -thank goodness. He needs to be locked up forever.

 

[katydid23]

I get the sense it was his back up plan to pin it on her - not his primary plan - which was to make it somehow look like CB took off and killed herself? Or just disappeared. Either way, he has failed spectacularly.
it was a crazy way to kill her if you are thinking clinically - I am wondering if he ever fantasized about beating someone to death. It is such a gruesome, difficult, and messy way to do it - that I can only think he must have been excited by the sick idea of it. There are zero benefits to him otherwise that I can see to choose that method, and we know it wasn’t spur of the moment - picking up the first thing you see kind of rage. . Feel terrible/dark to even discuss this but I am trying to make sense of it.

I totally agree with the bolded. It is a vicious and crazy way to kill someone. Most people who decide to kill a loved one, over money etc, at least try and make it quick and painless and less messy.

He chose the worst possible method on all those fronts. So why did he choose a bat? Did he have a lot of rage and resentment towards her? It seems like he must have, to be able to do such a violent act. Who does that ?

 

[Artis]

Perhaps PF didn't tell her which river so they didn't/don't know where to sift. We shall all learn more soon I'm sure! eta or PF did it himself and not the ranch hands.

I thought one of ranch hands testified that PF instructed them dump the contents in a river so I figured the did. I think that's where the bit about antlers came up.

 

[katydid23]

While I think they got steamrolled on the deal, I agree that anything to save the baby was a-okay. However, I don't know that that was the first and most pressing thought in granting the deal. It very well may have been simply arresting him ASAP. I want to clarify that I think they could have made a better deal (worse for KK), in the same period of time, and still accomplished the quick arrest and getting Baby K.

I don't know that they could have gotten that much of a better deal for KK's full public confession.

She has had to publicly admit to a lot of horribly depraved actions. Embarrassing, humiliating , damning confession. I think they had to give her a good deal for her to agree upfront to everything.

Otherwise she could have kept her mouth shut and taken a gamble. They had already checked the condo, found nothing, and when they first searched the Frazee Ranch, they found nothing. It was not until she confess4ed that they found the burn site evidence.

So who knows if they would have found what they needed if she had kept her mouth shut. They apparently don't have any surveillance images of her going to the condo to cleAn.

I dont think the state got steamrolled on the plea deal. I think they got their killer served to them on a silver platter. And her putrid life is in shatters as well. Job well done by the prosecution, IMO.

 

[Artis]

I want more info on the father’s death in aug 2018; I’m sure this has been talked about on ws; I have been away from the forum for a long while.

I didn't realize he'd passed away that recently. Only read he was dead in the past few days. Haven't seen much about him, at all. I once asked if PF had a biological father in the picture (because of his pseudo father pal) and got banned from the thread for "sleuthing a family member". Never asked anything after that!

 

[Artis]

Do you really think a juror is going to let PF walk JUST because he/she despises KK? I despise her involvement and not thrilled with the deal but never would I let that cloud my judgement. The evidence is overwhelming that HE did it. Not KK. Regardless of whether they see her as a villian OR a victim, she is not the murderer. She. was. not. there.

Well, thanks for repeating what I said in my post you quoted. So, we're in agreement on all that. As for the possibility of the other thing - have you not read the poster here who seems to see KK as the guiltier party, in spite of the evidence? Yeah, I think anything is possible because humans.

 

[justaparent]

yep meeting up with PF and then letting PF use his phone to call KK got him all dirty. Everything was ok with him up until it affected him.

Yes. He did not call anyone until PF mentioned that a call was probably being recorded. It gets a lot more personal when someone drags you into a murder investigation. Self-preservation kicked in.

I do think it’s true that he did not want to believe that PF would harm KB, but goodness, how many times does someone need to make comments about murdering someone (a person disappearing, etc.) until it sinks in that it isn’t just talk.

MOO