CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #63

[yawningreyhound]

She's been in court for testimony. So I'd assume this means she is not on the witness list.


And no, CB hasn't been in court since the first day. I don't blame her.



This cheap wad didn't even burn his clothes. (a grey tshirt & jeans)

You think he's going to burn an $80-100 bale.

Grey, are you sure? (being sarcastic, since they took in like 17 grey tshirts or something--guy sounds like a Zuckerberg wardrobe copier)

 

[MemPat]

Sounds like they can't prove it either way. I imagine any human body would result in some sort of oily residue after being burned.
Just one more thing for the jury to consider. I think the tooth found in the burn pile will be the most convincing.

Whenever anyone wants to scream, "No body!" we see all the blood in the condo (and not just in the bathroom whatever that was supposed to prove), the tooth and perhaps this oily substance that answers, "Yes, body!"

"I was Kelsey Berreth, a lovely mother who mattered to this world regardless of whether I was an inconvenience and an annoyance to Patrick Frazee. You may not have all of my body but you have the blood spilled from my veins and somebody has to pay! Someone had to keep my baby girl's life from being ruined by evil people and my family made sure my blood was found! Maybe God himself worked out investigators finding my tooth. Justice demanded all of it!"

 

[Steelslady]

Among new witnesses this afternoon was Savannah Greasby, a Colorado Springs nurse who exchanged flirtatious texts w #PatrickFrazee day before he allegedly murdered #KelseyBerreth. @csgazette

Lance Benzel on Twitter

Well now, see what I mean?

Me thinks he was trying desperately to get rid of both KK and KB at the same time- one murdered, the other in jail for murder, preferably serving a life sentence.

Sounds like Patrick was on the prowl and getting angry that he couldn't get rid of the other two.

I mean, it's tough to just break up the old fashioned way.

Feel bad for this lady- she's probably shuddered a few times since she found out who she was flirting with. I think I'd smash that phone to bits after LE was done with it, if they had it at all (I have no clue, just guessing at the last part).

 

[GordianKnot]

Grey, are you sure? (being sarcastic, since they took in like 17 grey tshirts or something--guy sounds like a Zuckerberg wardrobe copier)

No hoodies on the search warrants, though.

JMO.

 

[yawningreyhound]

Holy (alive) Cow! Just caught up. I'd think I was close and there's be three more pages! You guys are great, thanks for all the super remembering and conversations and observations and reporting. Don't know what I'd do without Websleuths on this case.

 

[MsBetsy]

Whenever anyone wants to scream, "No body!" we see all the blood in the condo (and not just in the bathroom whatever that was supposed to prove), the tooth and perhaps this oily substance that answers, "Yes, body!"

"I was Kelsey Berreth, a lovely mother who mattered to this world regardless of whether I was an inconvenience and an annoyance to Patrick Frazee. You may not have all of my body but you have the blood from my veins and somebody has to pay! Someone had to make sure my daughter's life was not ruined by evil people and my family made sure my blood was found!"

Yes. The body tells a story. Since her body was never found, every bit of evidence from the body that was left behind is crucial.

Imo

 

[ajaylee]

He had mentioned the health care cost to a client. I suspect he didn't realize that whatever KB paid for Baby K's health care as a full time employee of Doss, it was likely much less than he would be paying on the direct market for similar coverage.

What happened to Mr. Big Stuff who promised her that if she came to Colorado, he could support her? I think he made some kind of bad financial decision and was probably furious when she 1) got pregnant (like he had nothing to do with that, either time) and 2) bought a condo instead of putting the money towards his bills or a ranch for him.

Don't forget, he also owed KK money. IIRC, at one point she testified she had lent him money - 'thousands', although that could mean 'only' a couple thousand. I don't know if that was the money he owed her for the horse they bought together. I doubt that her ex-husband ever knew about that debt.

There's no doubt in my mind that he couldn't have afforded his lifestyle if Ma Frazee kicked him off the franch. Not unless he could find a well-heeled compliant woman to foot the bills - and take the abuse.

 

[in search of]

Can someone please post the link where jurors visited Kelsey's home today? Please...

I didn't hear they did.

 

[Kapua]

Well now, see what I mean?

Me thinks he was trying desperately to get rid of both KK and KB at the same time- one murdered, the other in jail for murder, preferably serving a life sentence.

Sounds like Patrick was on the prowl and getting angry that he couldn't get rid of the other two.

I mean, it's tough to just break up the old fashioned way.

Feel bad for this lady- she's probably shuddered a few times since she found out who she was flirting with. I think I'd smash that phone to bits after LE was done with it, if they had it at all (I have no clue, just guessing at the last part).

I went back to the Media thread to check dates. KKL became pregnant by PF in March of 2016 and then had an abortion, according to her testimony. KB moved to CO with PF's help in May of 2016. And now we have this new witness, thus far unidentified, who testified that she and PF had a 4-6 week sexual relationship in 2016 that ended when he stopped replying to her texts. Now she knows why. She's probably showering obsessively. MOO

 

[Kapua]

He had mentioned the health care cost to a client. I suspect he didn't realize that whatever KB paid for Baby K's health care as a full time employee of Doss, it was likely much less than he would be paying on the direct market for similar coverage.

What happened to Mr. Big Stuff who promised her that if she came to Colorado, he could support her? I think he made some kind of bad financial decision and was probably furious when she 1) got pregnant (like he had nothing to do with that, either time) and 2) bought a condo instead of putting the money towards his bills or a ranch for him.

Don't forget, he also owed KK money. IIRC, at one point she testified she had lent him money - 'thousands', although that could mean 'only' a couple thousand. I don't know if that was the money he owed her for the horse they bought together. I doubt that her ex-husband ever knew about that debt.

There's no doubt in my mind that he couldn't have afforded his lifestyle if Ma Frazee kicked him off the franch. Not unless he could find a well-heeled compliant woman to foot the bills - and take the abuse.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Many have posted that KB buying her own condo may have triggered him in some way, and the pieces of the puzzle are now coming together. I think there are multiple motives; some financial, some more about power and control.

 

[MemPat]

He had mentioned the health care cost to a client. I suspect he didn't realize that whatever KB paid for Baby K's health care as a full time employee of Doss, it was likely much less than he would be paying on the direct market for similar coverage.

What happened to Mr. Big Stuff who promised her that if she came to Colorado, he could support her? I think he made some kind of bad financial decision and was probably furious when she 1) got pregnant (like he had nothing to do with that, either time) and 2) bought a condo instead of putting the money towards his bills or a ranch for him.

Don't forget, he also owed KK money. IIRC, at one point she testified she had lent him money - 'thousands', although that could mean 'only' a couple thousand. I don't know if that was the money he owed her for the horse they bought together. I doubt that her ex-husband ever knew about that debt.

There's no doubt in my mind that he couldn't have afforded his lifestyle if Ma Frazee kicked him off the franch. Not unless he could find a well-heeled compliant woman to foot the bills - and take the abuse.

Patrick Frazee is a user and I doubt he was ever anything else.

I expect Kelsey told him her parents had spoken of buying her a ranch when she was growing up.

He thought he would lure her to live near him, get a property with his name on the deed and then off her in some ranch accident when the time was right.

He was weary of Ma F denying him "female company" at the franch and life was going to be clear sailing for him.

If that fantasy sailboat had bars, he's about to realize the dream sans the girls!

 

[MsBetsy]

He had mentioned the health care cost to a client. I suspect he didn't realize that whatever KB paid for Baby K's health care as a full time employee of Doss, it was likely much less than he would be paying on the direct market for similar coverage.

What happened to Mr. Big Stuff who promised her that if she came to Colorado, he could support her? I think he made some kind of bad financial decision and was probably furious when she 1) got pregnant (like he had nothing to do with that, either time) and 2) bought a condo instead of putting the money towards his bills or a ranch for him.

Don't forget, he also owed KK money. IIRC, at one point she testified she had lent him money - 'thousands', although that could mean 'only' a couple thousand. I don't know if that was the money he owed her for the horse they bought together. I doubt that her ex-husband ever knew about that debt.

He probably had no idea what it cost to raise a child.
When the parents share custody, the person who does not have physical custody usually pays child support.
He wanted to have primary custody and Kelsey was never going to let that happen.

If he had already been paying $700 per month, the health insurance would have been in addition to that.
If Kelsey took him to court for court ordered child support, the amount he would pay would be out of his control. He would have been required by law to pay whatever the courts decided.

I don't think Frazee was about to allow Kelsey to win custody of their child and have all of his control taken away.
He just wanted to be able to raise the baby the way he wanted to without having "the mother" around to interfere.

Imo

 

[Steelslady]

I remember wondering if LE had evidence of Patrick romancing other women that they might show KK to further shake her loose from standing by her man.

I bet she learned of his dalliances early on in the investigation.

There must be lots of desperate women in the world if that loser hooked up with so many.

What gets me is that MaF had the audacity to call Kelsey a hooker.

I wonder what she thinks of all the other women that have been in Patrick's life. Seems like he finds intelligent and educated women easy enough, manages to charm them somehow.

I just read above that he slept with one of his clients for 4-6 weeks in 2016. I wonder how Krystal feels, hearing about that and this new nurse, the night before Kelsey's murder, having flirtations with Patrick. I bet she's seething. No wonder why she's willing to testify against him- revenge is a dish, well served cold. Krystal is serving that dish to Patrick now!

 

[scdiv]

Posted this in the media thread. Apologies if this has been posted - most comprehensive recap I have seen of the day.. so many interesting points in it, I just highlighted one part.

Frazee trial: Arson analyst, Frazee friend testify

She testified that she found out Frazee had a daughter when she walked by his truck and saw Kaylee inside when she was about 4 months old. She testified that Frazee told her he had a relationship with the girl’s mother but didn’t learn she was pregnant until she had the baby – something the court had previously heard during the trial.

Luce said Frazee said his daughter’s mother did not want to be a mother so he wuld have to be the only parent moving forward, she testified, and that the conversation happened sometime in the spring of 2018. She described Frazee as being the happiest she had seen him but said Frazee never mentioned Berreth by name.

Luce said Slater, the CBI agent, called her in January 2019 about the conversation. She said she recounted telling him Frazee had been vague during the discussion and that she told him about what Frazee had said about Berreth not wanting to be a mother. She testified she remembered Frazee paying an attorney to try and get custody of the child, and told that to Slater as well.

Luce told the court that Frazee went to her house on Dec. 20, and that she felt concerned for him and asked how he was doing. She testified that Frazee told her some details about the search of his property that had occurred days earlier and said he felt some of what the investigators did to his property “seemed a little mean and unnecessary.”

Luce told the court that sometime between August and October 2019, Frazee told her he wanted to raise his daughter with someone else. Later, she testified, Frazee told her: “I wanted her (Berreth) to help with medical expenses before. Now I just want her gone.”

BBM: I feel like we read something similar on this board months back.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

What other way besides DNA would they be able to identify whose tooth it is?
Without the rest of the tooth or without even knowing which tooth it was how could they tell from dental records?

Not sure, but I doubt they would use the tooth if it wasn't good enough evidence.

 

[Seattle1]

I’m curious what the $70k loan was for - do they record these kinds of loans in CO or any kind of UCC on file with the state? I’m just curious

I believe FBI DeFrance testified he recovered certified letter from Farm Credit notifying PF of his default on $72K loan that matured Dec 1, 2018.

I believe the Farm Credit debt was for livestock and ranch operations (based history of co-op bank serving Ag community and earlier discussion of feeder cattle). UCC and Agriculture have been in disagreement for decades over farm collateral.
More background at the link.

https://www.nationalaglawcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/assets/bibarticles/miller_collateral.pdf

 

[Warwick7]

What are the documents that's in the burn pile on the property of KK??

 

[sun16]

The second count of first degree murder is pursuant to Section
18-3-102(1)(b),C.R.S.

PF killed KB during a robbery or attempted robbery.

From the Amended Complaint Filed 2/18/19:
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View attachment 214873

Ah, the robbery thing—thanks. I forgot what we said that was about lol. Maybe PF took items of particular worth, so they were able to add that charge? I know we discussed this like 100 pages ago. No need to rehash if we don’t want to.

 

[MsBetsy]

I went back to the Media thread to check dates. KKL became pregnant by PF in March of 2016 and then had an abortion, according to her testimony. KB moved to CO with PF's help in May of 2016. And now we have this new witness, thus far unidentified, who testified that she and PF had a 4-6 week sexual relationship in 2016 that ended when he stopped replying to her texts. Now she knows why. She's probably showering obsessively. MOO

And when was it that Kelsey had a miscarriage? I know CB said it was the year before she was pregnant with the baby but was it before she ever moved to Colorado? I'm still confused about that. I thought she and PF only knew each other a few months before she got pregnant.

Imo

 

[sun16]

Do we know if PF tried to make any withdrawals from Kelsey’s bank accounts? Or move money online via her cell (like thru online banking, Zelle, PayPal or anything like that)?