CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #63

[tmar]

Life is really going to slow down in a few weeks, you miserable waste of oxygen. MOO

PF will have 'fan mail': loads of crazy women professing their love for him.
Photos, visits, wanting to be his girlfriend.
Wow, he will be so popular behind bars.
Just what he wanted, and no mother, to send them away.
MOO.

 

[MemPat]

He probably had no idea what it cost to raise a child.
When the parents share custody, the person who does not have physical custody usually pays child support.
He wanted to have primary custody and Kelsey was never going to let that happen.

If he had already been paying $700 per month, the health insurance would have been in addition to that.
If Kelsey took him to court for court ordered child support, the amount he would pay would be out of his control. He would have been required by law to pay whatever the courts decided.

I don't think Frazee was about to allow Kelsey to win custody of their child and have all of his control taken away.
He just wanted to be able to raise the baby the way he wanted to without having "the mother" around to interfere.

Imo

I'd love to see if Patrick ever received a paycheck of any kind and if he ever filed tax returns.

He seemed to save receipts but I wonder if Ma F used those for deductions on the franch income.

Wanna' bet the $700 child support was a check from Ma F to Kelsey which Ma would gladly pay to keep BabyK close by.

I find it hard to believe Patrick had any great love for the baby or truly wanted to raise her. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Not sure, but I doubt they would use the tooth if it wasn't good enough evidence.

Yes, I'm sure, but I was referring specifically to dental records. You had mentioned that they could identify the tooth through Kelsey's dental records.
I'm not familiar with how they do that with a partial tooth so I just wondered how they could tell. That was my question.

 

[MemPat]

PF will have 'fan mail': loads of crazy women professing their love for him.
Photos, visits, wanting to be his girlfriend.
Wow, he will be so popular behind bars.
Just what he wanted, and no mother, to send them away.
MOO.

Maybe Casey Anthony can hook up with him (using the term loosely what with the bars)!

 

[Kapua]

And when was it that Kelsey had a miscarriage? I know CB said it was the year before she was pregnant with the baby but was it before she ever moved to Colorado? I'm still confused about that. I thought she and PF only knew each other a few months before she got pregnant.

Imo

IIRC, it was Thanksgiving of the previous year.
ETA: Had to be around Thanksgiving of 2016 because little K was born Oct. 2017.

 

[scdiv]

What are the documents that's in the burn pile on the property of KK??

In that article link, it said this, so maybe they couldn't tell? They found paperwork where the edges hadn’t been burned, but each piece crumbled apart upon examination, he said.

Frazee trial: Arson analyst, Frazee friend testify

 

[Seattle1]

Luce told the court that sometime between August and October 2019, Frazee told her he wanted to raise his daughter with someone else. Later, she testified, Frazee told her: “I wanted her (Berreth) to help with medical expenses before. Now I just want her gone.”

^^S/BBM

2019? Was this conversation taking place during jailhouse phone calls/visits?

Pretty delusional of PF to think he was going to raise baby K with somebody else while KB foot the bill for her daughter's medical insurance premiums.

MOO

 

[tmar]

I have yet to read everything... But the fact that you said he was a walking confessional could have hit it any better!!!

Being a 'walking confessional', there was no need to see a Priest, and confess his sins.
His conscience is now clear.
MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

IIRC, it was Thanksgiving of the previous year.

Were they even together then? If the baby was born in October then maybe she was just pregnant for a couple of months the year before and then got pregnant again?
I'm just wondering why CB mentioned it to begin with and how it's important.

 

[sun16]

I'd love to see if Patrick ever received a paycheck of any kind and if he ever filed tax returns.

He seemed to save receipts but I wonder if Ma F used those for deductions on the franch income.

Wanna' bet the $700 child support was a check from Ma F to Kelsey which Ma would gladly pay to keep BabyK close by.

I find it hard to believe Patrick had any great love for the baby or truly wanted to raise her. MOO

I had wondered if he received checks from people and that is why he was at the ATM for eight minutes doing whatever (making deposits?, smiling for the camera for an alibi?) that one day. Eight minutes is a long time. And you would think these days that people could pay him electronically.

 

[MemPat]

Not sure, but I doubt they would use the tooth if it wasn't good enough evidence.

Yes, I can't imagine that they would have introduced anything about the tooth in court if it wasn't going to mean something.

DA May has put together such a tight case and to throw in mention of the tooth for no reason seems amateurish and May is anything but that!

The fact that a tooth was in a burn pile shown through much evidence to have contained Kelsey's body and clean-up from her crime scene, is significant. What other reason would there be for a tooth to be right there?

 

[MyBelle]

If you believe that KK is lying about nearly everything and the evidence (for example, PF's repeated trips in and out of the condo on Thanksgiving afternoon) means nothing, then I'm sure the defense will put PF on the stand to tell everyone what really happened. Surely you don't believe PF is a lovestruck puppy who is going to risk going to prison to protect whoever you suspect is the real murderer.

If in fact someone besides PF killed KB and the murder didn't take place on Thanksgiving day, PF will have no problem explaining it all and the evidence will support his story.

You have suggested that DNA testing should be done on the stain on the hay bale in the red barn. If such testing was done and it is KB's DNA, how would that convince you that PF killed her and that he wasn't just participating in a clean up?

To give what seems to be your theory the benefit of a doubt, I have tried to pretend that KK was the real mastermind and PF an unwitting dupe, pretending this is a kind of Karla Homolka situation. I have tried to imagine a scenario where he somehow incapacitated KB on Thanksgiving Day and removed her from the condo without killing her, leaving that little detail to KK. I can't come up with a scenario that is remotely plausible and that fits the evidence we have - perhaps you can. If so, I am genuinely interested to hear it.

Where do you get that I think PF wasn't involved? I think he was very much involved but in what way, I still don't know. According to KK, his murder strategy went from prescription drug overdose by KK at a time when the baby wasn't around to a violent bludgeoning by PF with the baby in the next room and KB begging for her life. That is a very dramatic, sensational escalation which certainly doesn't fit PF's boasted "no body, no crime" strategy.

If the jury is just as mystified as I am, that's reasonable doubt. Then what? There's also the element of the unknown male DNA found in the bathroom. A bathroom KK testified she barely entered yet chemical testing showed blood in multiple locations had been cleaned up.

This case reminds me very much of Cari Farver, whose body has never been found. LE investigated for several years, finally found ample blood evidence in a vehicle and then they made the arrest. DNA testing should be done on the hay bale and the tooth because it would be tangible forensic evidence that KB is dead and PF is involved.

JMO

 

[MemPat]

I believe FBI DeFrance testified he recovered certified letter from Farm Credit notifying PF of his default on $72K loan that matured Dec 1, 2018.

I believe the Farm Credit debt was for livestock and ranch operations (based history of co-op bank serving Ag community and earlier discussion of feeder cattle). UCC and Agriculture have been in disagreement for decades over farm collateral.
More background at the link.

https://www.nationalaglawcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/assets/bibarticles/miller_collateral.pdf

I knew you'd come through, Seattle1!

 

[GoJacks]

Interesting.

He said he remembered Frazee telling him that he, Berreth and Kaylee went to Nash Ranch the day before Thanksgiving — Nov. 21 — and then returned to Frazee’s ranch. Berreth had indicated that night that she wanted to get an apartment closer to her work in Pueblo, Slagle said. As they drove to the Frazee ranch that evening, Frazee stopped the car and threw up near the Florissant post office, Slagle said. Berreth went to the Woodland Park Walmart to buy medication for Frazee for an upset stomach and diarrhea, Slagle said.

Frazee trial: Arson analyst, Frazee friend testify

 

[tmar]

I love that these are in texts, not just people testifying. This proof, in writing, from PF himself. Dear Lord, just when I thought he couldn’t be anymore stupid he he is. SMH.

Imagine him, sitting in the Court room listening to all this.
He could have just confessed.
Perhaps PF is so thick that he just doesn't understand, how incriminating the comments of these witnesses, are to his case, PLUS the loads of evidence produced.
His Defence want to leave the Country, and start new careers, as they will always be referred to as PF's attorneys.
MOO.

 

[ajaylee]

Were they even together then? If the baby was born in October then maybe she was just pregnant for a couple of months the year before and then got pregnant again?
I'm just wondering why CB mentioned it to begin with and how it's important.

Well, when KB got pregnant a second time, PF couldn't very well claim he didn't know how it happened, that she lied and said she was sterile or using birth control so she could trick him into getting her pregnant.

Although he did lie and claim the first he knew she was pregnant the second time was when she called him to go to the hospital to give birth. He clearly continued to have unprotected sex with her after the miscarriage, so even if they were apart during her second pregnancy, he can't pretend he didn't know how it happened.

Whatever was going on in PF's imagination, I think we can be pretty sure that KB wasn't having sex with him unless she thought they were still in an exclusive relationship with a future.

 

[Seattle1]

Do we know if PF tried to make any withdrawals from Kelsey’s bank accounts? Or move money online via her cell (like thru online banking, Zelle, PayPal or anything like that)?

Testimony was no financial activity on KB accounts since Safeway purchases on 11/22/19 (grocery and floral transactions).

 

[oviedo]

Thank you @Seattle1 and @MassGuy for the tweet updates @PommyMommy will be so proud !

 

[ajaylee]

Imagine him, sitting in the Court room listening to all this.
He could have just confessed.
Perhaps PF is so thick that he just doesn't understand, how incriminating the comments of these witnesses, are to his case, PLUS the loads of evidence produced.
His Defence want to leave the Country, and start new careers, as they will always be referred to as PF's attorneys.
MOO.

Keep in mind, after all this, his good buddy RS has testified that he still considers PF a friend.

 

[MemPat]

Do we know if PF tried to make any withdrawals from Kelsey’s bank accounts? Or move money online via her cell (like thru online banking, Zelle, PayPal or anything like that)?

We're sure going to find out!
I wonder if some of those bank transactions Patrick made on video will come in.