CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018

[Inthedetails]

Yup seems that whatever happened, happened that day.

Well, I think that is the day that Operation Coverup went into effect.

Speculation only.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 718]

"Kelsey Berreth texted her employer, Doss Aviation in Pueblo, on Nov. 25 to say she would not be at work the following week. She also texted her fiancé, Patrick, that day."

Colorado's Kelsey Berreth has been missing since Thanksgiving

So what did she say when she texted her fiance on the 25th? Keep the baby, I'll be back in a week?

I hate to think the baby was present when something happened.

 

[MassGuy]

Josh Powell is exactly who keeps coming to my mind.

Yeah. That was a very different case though, and he was a very unusual guy.

That’s the worst case scenario based on a very specific set of unique circumstances.

I’m not worried about anything like that happening here, but I brought it up because that’s the type of scenario in which a child would be in danger.

 

[Stunned]

An exchange of their child at a grocery store on Thanksgiving? Why not at her place where she just made cinnamon buns?

Why weren’t mommy, daddy and baby spending it together? This relationship was over, except for their daughter. IMO

 

[Stunned]

Yeah. That was a very different case though, and he was a very unusual guy.

That’s the worst case scenario based on a very specific set of unique circumstances.

I’m not worried about anything like that happening here, but I brought it up because that’s the type of scenario in which a child would be in danger.

Really? What exactly did we know about Josh in the beginning? Who knows what people under extreme pressure go through. Sadly, we do. IMO

 

[NanZDrew]

The bolding is good....the facts seem simple, but they are muddled on this case! We need to get them straight.
The baby was with Kelsey at Safeway, correct?

I need to watch the presser again.

jmo

If you are taking off, you don't go and buy groceries. So this must have been just before she dropped the child off with the father. From the visitation schedule, this sounds like there MAY have sometimes been a "Petition to Establish Paternity." If he is her fiance, why are they behaving like a divorced couple exchanging the child rather than spending Thanksgiving as a couple? That jumps out as the oddest thing to me.

 

[Cardgame]

Yup seems that whatever happened, happened that day.

Yes they did explicitly state that the mother contacted the fiancee. This was stated in the press conference.

SOURCE: press conference live

 

[GHgal]

Did anyone else notice that during the PC the officer used the words that her employer received a text from "Kelsey's phone" that he did not say "from Kelsey"? Seems like he might have doubts as to who is the actual sender of the text.
<modsnip - sleuthing non POI>

 

[Tippy Lynn]

November 22nd
(Thanksgiving)

KB last seen on video surveillance shopping in Safeway (noon hour)
KB exchanged daughter with PF (fiancé)​

November 25th

Text from KB to her employer
KB's mom called PF on KB's whereabouts - he returned her call
KB's phone pinged in Gooding, ID (5:13 pm)​

December 2nd

Missing person reported - KB's mom (12:37 pm)​

December 10th

Press Conference​

Woodland Park Police Department

 

[otto]

My thought was it being mailed, but this is a very possible scenario. Any vehicle would work, but a semi would be really good since you know it is going places.

How did someone use the phone to text her boss if it was in the mail?

 

[Inthedetails]

Here's the thing, if I left my baby with someone close, I would still call to see how things are going.

But let's say the baby's mom had some issues going on and didn't call because of those issues. In that case, the close person I left my baby with would be contacting ME. And if I didn't reply, alarms would go off fast.

The silence from Thursday to Sunday is way, way off for a mom of a baby.

Then, when the silence is questioned - Kelsey's mom contacts the fiance - THEN suddenly he received a text from her and her employer did too. What a coincidence.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Really? What exactly did we know about Josh in the beginning? Who knows what people under extreme pressure go through. Sadly, we do. IMO

There’s several great books on that case.

He was about to be forced to take a psycho-sexual evaluation and a polygraph in order to retain custody of his kids.

He was about to lose custody, and he was willing to die in order to prevent that.

He was an aberration as far as these things go.

Most domestic crimes like this, do not have that type of ending.

Fortunately.

 

[Inthedetails]

Why weren’t mommy, daddy and baby spending it together? This relationship was over, except for their daughter. IMO

Well....we're all assuming the plan was to spend the holiday apart. Maybe that wasn't the plan at all??

jmo, thinking aloud.

 

[Jethro4WS]

In checking out Doss Aviation, they say for Flight Training that ...

Every U.S. Air Force aviator candidate, be it Pilot, Combat Systems Officer, or Remotely Piloted Aircraft pilot, receives flight instruction, Air Force aviator introduction, and candidate screening at the Pueblo facility in preparation for follow-on flight training at any of the Air Force’s Undergraduate Flight Training (UFT) locations.

Flight Training | Doss Aviation

Even if she did private pilot instruction, rather than military instruction, she would likely encounter any number of transient individuals - people not from the area - at the facility she worked at.

Does anyone know if she had been in the military in the past?

 

[Cardgame]

Here's the thing, if I left my baby with someone close, I would still call to see how things are going.

But let's say the baby's mom had some issues going on and didn't call because of those issues. In that case, the close person I left my baby with would be contacting ME. And if I didn't reply, alarms would go off fast.

The silence from Thursday to Sunday is way, way off for a mom of a baby.

Then, when the silence is questioned - Kelsey's mom contacts the fiance - THEN suddenly he received a text from her and her employer did too. What a coincidence.

jmo

I do agree with all of this. The only thing I'd add is IF, and I'm not saying there was, because we don't know, but if there were other issues, then it's easy to say what people would or should do - for example if they don't hear from someone they would definitely report them missing. But people also get angry - especially with mothers who they perceive aren't acting as they should when they have a baby. They lose patience. LE did not outright deny that there could be other issues which could have impacted their perception of her as a high risk missing per straight away.

There is also religion involved here. And I've seen it before on here where details are suppressed because of that wider religious community. Shame is powerful.

Feel like I'm contradicting myself. Just trying to keep an open mind as more details emerge.

 

[Stunned]

I wish we had info on WHY they were not spending the holiday together. Maybe she wasn't feeling well?

It's an odd day to spend apart if you're a couple with a baby and don't have to be at work, imo.

jmo

Was this the babies first Thanksgiving?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Was this the babies first Thanksgiving?

Second Thanksgiving. The child is 15 months old.

 

[Cardgame]

I don't bake cinnamon rolls when I'm sick. But maybe that's just me. I think there's a very simple explanation for why they weren't spending THxgving together: they were separated. It's not more complicated than that. What is strange is that the family are still referring to him as her fiance. But if they don't know about the break up, and if the 'fiance' isn't admitting it, then who is there to prove it?

 

[Stunned]

Well, I think that is the day that Operation Coverup went into effect.

Speculation only.

jmo

I agree.

 

[Inthedetails]

I do agree with all of this. The only thing I'd add is IF, and I'm not saying there was, because we don't know, but if there were other issues, then it's easy to say what people would or should do - for example if they don't hear from someone they would definitely report them missing. But people also get angry - especially with mothers who they perceive aren't acting as they should when they have a baby. They lose patience. LE did not outright deny that there could be other issues which could have impacted their perception of her as a high risk missing per straight away.

There is also religion involved here. And I've seen it before on here where details are suppressed because of that wider religious community. Shame is powerful.

Feel like I'm contradicting myself. Just trying to keep an open mind as more details emerge.

Hmm...does anyone know if they didn't spend the holiday together because one of them doesn't celebrate holidays?

JMO, thinking aloud.