CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #2

[FindHG]

IMHO police are just trying to do some; damage control, avoid panic, buy some time to try solve the case etc.

I don't agree, respectfully, about LE doing damage control. The information on whatever disintegrating projectile or caliber weapon may be used should remain with them as it would be harder to distinguish copycats, that would be a useful reason not to share the information in full, while keeping the public aware.

 

[PrairieWind]

I think they are trying to say something, without saying what they know. I understand, but they have to understand it isn't believable.

 

[SugarQueen]

Hmmm, i haven't found anything saying the third shooting is/isn't connected? Didn't we get the word on the other two fairly quickly? ( maybe I'm just impatient? )

 

[searchinGirl]

Hmmm, i haven't found anything saying the third shooting is/isn't connected? Didn't we get the word on the other two fairly quickly? ( maybe I'm just impatient? )

All the reports I've seen or heard won't confirm or deny a link ... But they all say there are enough similarities to consider them together...my guess is a different weapon was used...

 

[Foxfire]

I think they are trying to say something, without saying what they know. I understand, but they have to understand it isn't believable.

Agree PrairieWind.. Imo, the actions of the Task force are much more believable than their actual words.. Silence and misinformation by task force investigators will only breed rumor, conjecture, speculation, but most importantly is the predators' most lethal weapon. This antiquated investigative strategy of years past, enables the shooter/s to remain stealth, imo..
As we have witnessed many times, an informed citizenry is an effective tool in serial investigations

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"Inappropriate to comment on whether the shootings were the work of a sniper"?

Police try to Determine if 3 Colorado Shootings are Linked .... 06/05/2015
http://news.yahoo.com/police-investigate-colorado-shooting-tied-2-others-141327353.html

FBI Special Agent Thomas Ravenelle said it would be inappropriate to comment on whether the shootings were the work of a sniper.

LOVELAND, Colo. (AP) &#8212; Police in northern Colorado are investigating any possible link between the slaying of a man on a neighborhood sidewalk and two previous shootings of a bicyclist and a driver.

Police and the FBI refused to comment Thursday on the possibility of a serial shooter. But they have offered a $10,000 reward for information on the first two unsolved shootings that authorities say are related &#8212; though they haven't said how

 

[searchinGirl]

http://noconow.co/1S46eZD

911 call from June 3 Loveland shooting

Has anyone seen or posted this?...it's a bit of a heartbreaker and towards the end it says no shell casing was found at the scene...

 

[Foxfire]

Quote Originally Posted by SugarQueen View Post
Hmmm, i haven't found anything saying the third shooting is/isn't connected? Didn't we get the word on the other two fairly quickly? ( maybe I'm just impatient? )

Yes the other two were tied fairly quickly, SugarQueen.. The third victim would elevate this investigation to a Serial Killer Task Force investigation. Not sure if this is the reason for the silence, but it may be.. Serial murder is a relatively rare event, estimated to comprise less than one percent of all murders committed in any given year. Serial murder is a relatively rare event, estimated to comprise less than one percent of all murders committed in any given year. jmo

All the reports I've seen or heard won't confirm or deny a link ... But they all say there are enough similarities to consider them together...my guess is a different weapon was used...

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I agree about the different weapons, searchingirl. This is one of a couple reasons that I believe that frangible ammunition is being used by the CO serial shooter to confuse the investigation.
This very cagey, likely very intelligent, confident, forensically and investigative aware; psychopathic predator, seems to be escalating. He utilizes random unsuspecting victims, multiple police jurisdictions, multiple firearms, possibly multiple vehicles, frangible and conventional bullets..
Frangible bullets cause gun barrel tinning, which means a layer of tin builds up in the barrel of the gun & then conventional bullets can not be forensically matched to the gun. The fired conventional bullets will have no identifying markings..
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FBI Serial Murder
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder

The topic of serial murder occupies a unique niche within the criminal justice community. In addition to the significant investigative challenges they bring to law enforcement, serial murder cases attract an over-abundance of attention from the media, mental health experts, academia, and the general public..

As serial killers continue to offend without being captured, they can become empowered, feeling they will never be identified. As the series continues, the killers may begin to take shortcuts when committing their crimes. This often causes the killers to take more chances, leading to identification by law enforcement. It is not that serial killers want to get caught; they feel that they can&#8217;t get caught.


High profile investigations present a multitude of leadership challenges for law enforcement, from investigators to police executives. Law enforcement personnel may face external pressures from political entities, victims&#8217; families, and the media. Collectively, strong management throughout the chain of command must continually reinforce the supreme goal of the investigation: To arrest and prosecute the offender.
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[searchinGirl]

interesting the way the media is handling this...I was home most of the day yesterday and local media was covering this story 3 times per news cycle...didn't see it at all on national news...almost as if the coverage was for the benefit of the shooter...IDK...this morning not so much...and I'm getting that creepy feeling like he's going to strike again...not windows...

 

[FindHG]

interesting the way the media is handling this...I was home most of the day yesterday and local media was covering this story 3 times per news cycle...didn't see it at all on national news...almost as if the coverage was for the benefit of the shooter...IDK...this morning not so much...and I'm getting that creepy feeling like he's going to strike again...not windows...

Perhaps all the public awareness is making it harder for the shooter to do his thing. It seems to me, that the shooter may have spent time doing dry runs and the like, kind of a practice makes perfect type, repetition, like he's drilling himself, at every opportunity, exacting, like sport, for the shooter, like a kid playing a super hero gone bad, there seems to be a persistent method, process and some ritual involved that works for the shooter, that touches the right spot for him, it seems. Like Foxfire so well points out, the acts are all connected to some part of his psyche and this gets him off, this creepy routine. Maybe as drivers in CO think this through with all the coverage something may stand out to them that clicks on the shooters ID. I imagine the shooter had mistakes he made driving, victims he lost the chance to shoot at, odd driving, maybe even a tickets or stops for bad driving, it seems possible to me. Something like this may have happened (speculative): stopped by LE, or made too close a drive by, then possibly waved it off to bad driving, texting, or something, of the other driver, or himself.

 

[Forager]

I had made a breathless post yesterday suggesting the possibility of ceramic BBs, - Ninja BB's - and almost immediately took it back down in the fear that it would revolutionize vandalism. But it looks like I already missed the revolution.

After a little more research I found that they are already available, at lest for a 'Airguns', a variant of BB guns. Invented for specialty ball bearings applications, ceramic (silicon nitride) balls are super 'hard', with a hardness (Mohs scale) rating close to that of diamonds. (New York Times 7/20/93 ). They flatten less less than a conventional BB at the point of impact, allowing them to focus their energy on a smaller point - the key in breaking tempered glass. They are lighter than metal BB's, which would decrease their range and impact at longer ranges, but uniformity apparently gives them a marginal advantage in accuracy.

I don't think it's necessary to assume such specialty ammunition to explain the shatterings. Once I started searching for BB's and windows, I saw a zillion articles about how effective regular BB's and pellets can be against tempered glass.

But ceramic BB's might have an advantage in stealth. They appear to be shiny and either black or off-white, and might thus be less likely to attract the eye of a crime scene investigator looking for zinc or copper plated BB's. I haven't been able to figure out whether they are likely to shatter on impact with glass.

 

[Forager]

Agree PrairieWind.. Imo, the actions of the Task force are much more believable than their actual words.. Silence and misinformation by task force investigators will only breed rumor, conjecture, speculation, but most importantly is the predators' most lethal weapon. This antiquated investigative strategy of years past, enables the shooter/s to remain stealth, imo..
As we have witnessed many times, an informed citizenry is an effective tool in serial investigations

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"Inappropriate to comment on whether the shootings were the work of a sniper"?

Police try to Determine if 3 Colorado Shootings are Linked .... 06/05/2015
http://news.yahoo.com/police-investigate-colorado-shooting-tied-2-others-141327353.html

[Shortened by Forage for focus in reply]

I noticed this in the article you linked:

Windsor police Lt. Rick Klimek said tips were pouring in about the cyclist shooting. The tips have involved years-old shootings, suspicious vehicles and other information. Investigators check each one.

"They're all going into a database to see what, if anything, fits together," Klimek said.

It's no fair! They get all the information! (Pout).

 

[SugarQueen]

Those ninja BBs sound like a manufactured version of the ninja rocks posted waaaayy back. Based on the videos I watched ninja rocks don't shatter, if that helps you form an opinion.

 

[PrairieWind]

I really would be interested to know more about the gun shots on the victims. What conclusively linked the two? I am undecided on whether frangible ammo is being used in some cases, but it certainly could be. But I really do suspect that there is more than one firearm being used.

 

[Hatfield]

I have to think LE is purposely withholding and downplaying to keep people from realizing the extent of the incidents.

The way the story changed about the shell casing is the type of thing that tells me withhold info.
I still wonder about the guy that got shot too in the car jacking with the reported rifle that turned to a handgun.

The list Forager made is just incredibly long so something seems to be going on.

IMO
I just dont know whether to think maybe 2 different perp(s) or just 1.

Until we can get any kind of real shell casing or another victim actually hit near where some of the window shatterings I have to keep it open that maybe 2 different perp(s).

I do think the 1 perp(s) that we know killed people is a seriel killer at this point. Because 2 is 2 too many so he will not hesitate to shoot at someone again at some point.

For the car window ones, there is just way too many to just think road debris so I do think we have a perp(s) in at least some of those too.

Just not sure I am ready to tie it all to the same perp(s) right now.

Hopefully LE will announce an arrest soon. I would hate for this to just carry on like this because it has to be making people uneasy in the area.

 

[Foxfire]

It is as if the CO Shooter is hiding behind an evil mask of normalcy. This unknown perpetrator is exhibiting a total lack of compassion, not only for the innocent victims, but for the entire CO community as well. Although his unknown victims are selected at random, he likely justifies his deviant actions by shifting the blame to the victims, who are only objects/chess pieces; a means to an end for him. Imo, the perp is very manipulative/controlling, confident, and with an exaggerated image of self-importance.
It would not be surprising to learn, when and if the perp is apprehended, that he has a built up hatred and deep seated resentment toward
the rest of society..
This cunning stealth predator, no stranger to the game, hones his skills with each innocent victim devoured, increasing confidence and causing escalation. Imo, he will continue his trail of terror until identified, and or apprehended...

 

[Foxfire]

Couple of interesting breaking news stories on KKTV 11 Colorado: Cyclist Hit & Run by SUV - Colorado Springs
and Deputies Investigating Shooting

The El Paso County Sheriff's office says a man was shot just south of Colorado Springs.

http://www.kktv.com/
https://www.facebook.com/kktv11news <facebook>

 

[margarita25]

Couple of interesting breaking news stories on KKTV 11 Colorado: Cyclist Hit & Run by SUV - Colorado Springs
and Deputies Investigating Shooting

The El Paso County Sheriff's office says a man was shot just south of Colorado Springs.

http://www.kktv.com/

Thanks for posting--re; the shooting, says there is no threat to the public as the victim and shooter kne each other...

My computer has crapped out again.

 

[margarita25]

Qmfr;

Weld County was busy yesterday it seems...posting for reference, not sure if there's anything helpful (thanks again trigger for providing this link):
http://www.weldsheriff.com/apps/dailyCalls/index.cfm

Can someone please copy june 10 call, shots fired, tia, my computer has crapped out.

 

[margarita25]

My double u and more is gone on keyboard, so please excuse hard to read post;

Yesterday i kept my eyes open for a hite ford suv...can you believe i did not see even one...they ere all another make.

 

[margarita25]

My opinion is that there could be other incidents, shattered, shots fired, etc, not being related in the media. I also have to onder about various car accidents, etc, if someho any of them might be someho linked, jmo. Again, please excuse typing, computer problems.

Thanks everyone for keeping your eyes out in msm.