CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #3

[margarita25]

Yes, today's and yesterday's incidents were right in the core of our case area. I can't see what could be making the LE commentators conclude that these incidents are not connected to the earlier ones along I-25. The times of day are consistent with the earlier incidents - and particularly so the early Thursday afternoon time slot, our guy's favorite. The lack of any ballistic evidence or clear sightings of an attacker are consistent with almost all of the prior shattering incidents along I-25.

ETA: Just saw your post below. I'll grant you that the semi is out of of the normal pattern.

It's interesting how LE is so quick to say they don't think there is a connection. How did they come to this conclusion so quickly? Did they find definitive debris or another cause? If so, I would think that would be mentioned...also, if no bullet was immediately visible, I would think/hope that a thorough investigation is being conducted by the FBI Task Force, and if so, wouldn't it take time to analyze/process every shard of glass, vantage points in the area, cameras, etc...

All this is so hush hush, but I'm reminded of the initial statements by LE in other investigations where they say there is no evidence of foul play: often this means "yet", imo, that they haven't found anything yet. But in these instances, I think they are just trying to keep all of this hush for whatever reason, which as I said upstream in my rant post is their prerogative if its necessary to protect the integrity of the investigation...but my concern is, as Foxfire mentions, that we are missing the boat as far as public awareness, and the ability to possibly help apprehend the individual by keeping an eye out, etc. As I stated earlier, I guess they feel they do not need our help.

 

[Forager]

Ugh... My family and I were all over these roads last weekend and early week. I kept my eyes out for anything strange. I highly doubt that windows are just "shattering" from road debris.

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Kai, I'd missed this post of yours yesterday. Your first on this thread, if memory serves? Welcome! I'm so glad you are posting, and especially so since you are from the area.

Do you have the sense that these window shattering incidents are on peoples' minds out there? I sometimes worry that things I write might scare people, but I also sometimes worry that people out there are snoozing thru this. I was flabbergasted by the guy whose window was shattered on Thursday who vacuumed up the mess before he thought to call the cops about it.

 

[SugarQueen]

Just trying to catch up. Margarita has mentioned the possibility of continued shatterings that we just weren't hearing about. I know several of us agreed. This article confirms we what suspected.
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...indow-interstate-injures-ups-driver/32121079/

The Larimer County Sheriff’s Office said it has received reports of shattered windows on I-25 throughout the summer. Window shattering reports first surfaced in the spring and early summer in numbers that according to some experts were well above normal.

The cause of many of those incidents has not been resolved.

 

[margarita25]

Kai, I'd missed this post of yours yesterday. Your first on this thread, if memory serves? Welcome! I'm so glad you are posting, and especially so since you are from the area.

Do you have the sense that these window shattering incidents are on peoples' minds out there? I sometimes worry that things I write might scare people, but I also sometimes worry that people out there are snoozing thru this. I was flabbergasted by the guy whose window was shattered on Thursday who vacuumed up the mess before he thought to call the cops about it.

Yes, Forager, I thought the same thing about the vaccuming... now, with a little less hush hush, maybe he might have known about it.

 

[margarita25]

BBM:

"The Larimer County Sheriff’s Office said it has received reports of shattered windows on I-25 throughout the summer. Window shattering reports first surfaced in the spring and early summer in numbers that according to some experts were well above normal.

The cause of many of those incidents has not been resolved."

http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...indow-interstate-injures-ups-driver/32121079/

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The above quote in msm reflects what I've seen as a local here, jmo, hearing about shattering incidents, but not seeing them being reported in msm. Good to finally see this.

So, there it is...maybe our guy(s) has not been inactive (or absent) this summer...?

 

[margarita25]

Just trying to catch up. Margarita has mentioned the possibility of continued shatteringly that we just weren't hearing about. I know several of us agreed. This article confirms we what suspected.
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...indow-interstate-injures-ups-driver/32121079/


The Larimer County Sheriff’s Office said it has received reports of shattered windows on I-25 throughout the summer. Window shattering reports first surfaced in the spring and early summer in numbers that according to some experts were well above normal.


The cause of many of those incidents has not been resolved.

BBM:


"The Larimer County Sheriff’s Office said it has received reports of shattered windows on I-25 throughout the summer. Window shattering reports first surfaced in the spring and early summer in numbers that according to some experts were well above normal.


The cause of many of those incidents has not been resolved."


http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...indow-interstate-injures-ups-driver/32121079/


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The above quote in msm reflects what I've seen as a local here, jmo, hearing about shattering incidents, but not seeing them being reported in msm. Good to finally see this.


So, there it is...maybe our guy(s) has not been inactive (or absent) this summer...?

Hahaha, I just saw Sugar Queen made the exact same post I did, lol. I've been dying to post that since last night but the server was being updated!

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(Foggy wording on my part here / trying to explain my thoughts more clearly but they're not coming out right, lol)

Also, on the local news last night (ABC7 / thedenverchannel.com), it said that the Task Force has been notified ("Loveland Police said the multi-agency task force was notified about Friday's incident." http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...port-on-i-25-ups-driver-injured-near-loveland ) but it is not investigating these incidents (splashed in big letters on bottom of tv screen during broadcast). I mean again, premature quick rule out it seems (and based on what)...but actually I think this would be ridiculous if it were true that they are not investigating it (unless they found a smoking gun which proved there wasn't a smoking gun haha)...

I also read that the cops that responded looked through the vehicle and did not find anything ("Officers searched the cab of the truck to determine what caused the window to break," according to Loveland Police. "There is no evidence that a bullet damaged the window." http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...port-on-i-25-ups-driver-injured-near-loveland ) So, did local LE just do a cursory search and that's it? Did they definitively find another cause?

It has to be BS imo that the Task Force is not investigating as locals here know that HS responded to a shattering scene all the way South of Denver (not close to these other incidents), so surely they would take a deep look at these incidents dead in the center of the main incidents/shootings...Again, I think a thorough forensic examination would be in order, considering the circumstances! The Task Force is comprised of multiple agencies. Again, all this special agency stuff is hairy, I'm just saying I'm not believing much of what I am reading in msm re: the "investigation" side of it, jmo.

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Daily Record: Loveland police calls for Aug. 19-21
http://www.reporterherald.com/news/.../daily-record-loveland-police-calls-aug-19-21

(I am posting this for reference to not only show the wording used, but also reference re: other possible incidents, as we know from the prior patterns that multiple incidents have occurred in one day, so the others might be worth taking a look at also).

"Thursday:

3 p.m. Hit-and-run in the 2100 block of West 15th Street."

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"• 5 p.m. Motor vehicle accident with unknown injuries at East First Street and Washington Avenue.

• 5 p.m. Hit-and-run at Lincoln Avenue and First Street.

• 5 p.m. Weapon at North Taft Avenue and West First Street.

• 6 p.m. Hit-and-run in the 3500 block of Mountain Lion Drive.

• 6 p.m. Noninjury motor vehicle accident at Southeast 14th Street and South Lincoln Avenue.

• 7 p.m. Injurious motor vehicle accident at West 37th Street and North Colorado Avenue."

(There sure seem to be a lot of hit and runs (?) )

(I wonder about these other motor vehicle accidents, as well as the incident re: the weapon. Maybe unrelated, maybe not...)


"Friday

• 11 a.m. Noninjury motor vehicle accident in the northbound lanes of Interstate 25 at mile marker 258."



* we see above that Noninjury motor vehicle accident is the wording used for this incident (basement reference)

*It is imo that similar lingo could describe other possibly related shattering incidents and accidents that have occurred over the past several months. I have wondered about this every time I see a report of a crash in the area...surely many/ most are not related (or none), but maybe others are, and again not been reported).


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*I read that the sheriff is not happy bc there is not resolution for the victims' families yet, looking for link, it might have been an older article.

 

[Forager]

Just trying to catch up. Margarita has mentioned the possibility of continued shatterings that we just weren't hearing about. I know several of us agreed. This article confirms we what suspected.
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/new...indow-interstate-injures-ups-driver/32121079/

The Larimer County Sheriff’s Office said it has received reports of shattered windows on I-25 throughout the summer. Window shattering reports first surfaced in the spring and early summer in numbers that according to some experts were well above normal.

The cause of many of those incidents has not been resolved.

I'd missed that. Very good.

 

[Forager]

Hahaha, I just saw Sugar Queen made the exact same post I did! (I've been dying to post that since last night but the server was being updated!)

Also, on the local news last night (ABC7 / thedenverchannel.com), it said that the Task Force has been notified but it is not investigating these incidents (looking for exact quote / link in progress). I mean again, quick rule out it seems (based on what)...but actually I think this would be ridiculous if it were true, it has to be BS imo as locals here know that HS responded to a shattering scene South of Denver this summer, so surely they would be investigating these incidents dead in the center of the main incidents/shootings. The Task Force is comprised of multiple agencies (link/quote). All this has probably been turned over to HS imo...Again, all this special agency stuff is hairy, I'm just saying I'm not believing much of what I am reading re: the msm / LE side of it.

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Getting tough in your old age, Mags! I approve!. Telling us that they won't comment, or that they don't have anything definitive to say is one thing, and we should probably be respectful of it. But BS is fair game for a cocked eyebrow, I figure.

 

[margarita25]

There's a video here, could someone please post a screenshot of the window? TIA!
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...port-on-i-25-ups-driver-injured-near-loveland (corrected link)

 

[Forager]

There's a video here, could someone please post a screenshot of the window? TIA!
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ruck-window-mysteriously-shattered-along-i-25

Here goes, from Marshall Zelinger's great piece for the Denver Channel, ABC 7:

http://media.thedenverchannel.com/p...n_I_25_3072210000_19979012_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

 

[margarita25]

Here goes, from Marshall Zelinger's great piece for the Denver Channel, ABC 7:

http://media.thedenverchannel.com/p...n_I_25_3072210000_19979012_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

I think I posted the wrong link lol, sorry about that, exhausted; I meant to post the latest video link for the screenshot:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...port-on-i-25-ups-driver-injured-near-loveland

Thanks though! :biggrin: (I was like wow, that looks just like another one I saw upstream, lol)

 

[Forager]

I think I posted the wrong link lol, sorry about that, exhausted; I meant to post the latest video link for the screenshot:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...port-on-i-25-ups-driver-injured-near-loveland

Thanks though! :biggrin: (I was like wow, that looks just like another one I saw upstream, lol)

It was a little literal minded of me not to have twigged to that myself. There is a shot of what's left of the driver's side pane of the UPS truck from Friday's incident. Precious little. We have no imagery at all for the Thursday incident.



Margarita had earlier noted how much higher a semi's windows are than a car's. That height argues against the road debris explanation, IMO, as do the large rear view mirrors that shield the side windows to a greater extent than do passenger car mirrors.



photo source: thedenverchannel.com

 

[margarita25]

It was a little literal minded of me not to have twigged to that myself. There is a shot of what's left of the driver's side pane of the UPS truck from Friday's incident. Precious little. We have no imagery at all for the Thursday incident.

photo source:
http://media.thedenverchannel.com/p...n_I_25_3327590000_23040902_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

Thank you, Forager. (Please have some jambalaya for me in NOLA!)

Re: the caption on the screen (again), "Investigators say this doesn't look like a shooting." I wish they would be more specific (So, what DOES it look like then?). Again, a shooting apparently ruled out here as so quickly, so what DID they find as an alternate cause? If they did not find anything, did the FBI Forensics team impound the vehicle to take a closer look? I'm wondering if they are even thoroughly processing these vehicles...

With the vehicle being so high up (semi), any road debris sure would have to bounce up rather high, it seems...Also, with the higher elevation of the semitruck vehicle, if someone shot at it from another vehicle, the shooter would have to angle UP, right, unless they were at a vehicle of equal height? (Yikes, could the shooter(s) be in a semi or large vehicle?) In some of these instances, the drivers did not see any other vehicles around, which makes me wonder about a "perched" type situation, as mentioned by FHG before. So, zooming out a mile or two, what would be the vantage points? Could someone be driving by and shooting in some instances, and perching/sniping in others? I would like to see a close up satellite image of the latest shattering locations (hint hint) to look for overpasses, hills, buildings, etc. (I'm still wondering about the possibility of a drone, jmo).

A thought: could LE be downplaying all this, so as to not give the shooter(s) the attention they are likely craving from all of this? And if they are worrying about us panicking, what do they think might happen? People start packing and shooting on the roads? (Viable concern, imo). Maybe they have it figured out but do not want to give other psychos ideas? I'm reaching here...

All this making me crazy, I am starting to wonder myself if the shatterings are related...they've goooooot to be related, right (especially the latest ones imo, so close to the other confirmed shootings)? I mean, I know we have seen some craaazy coincidences here..

So, as Forager has said, it is difficult to kill someone from a moving vehicle (as opposed to a pedestrian like Connole or cyclist like Jacoby) if death is the main goal here, so what exactly is the goal here if the shatterings are related, a vehicle pile up? Its all so strange. Still feels "pranky", hard to explain, like a video game...CR was hit in the neck, maybe death really is the goal in all of these, maybe shooting at a moving vehicle is more exciting, or challenging?

Many ideas were brought forth in the initial threads re: the possible type of firearm, ammunition, etc. What on earth is causing these shatterings here (50 plus incidents? How many are we up to now anyway within a near radius of CR/JJ and Connole (that we know about...)? Surely they would have figured out/found sooomething by now. Maybe they have, and they just are not telling us. Maybe they have a suspect(s) in mind?

Also, this does not seem like gang stuff to me, but I do want to mention again that Denver has a huge gang problem, imo; there are always shootings, a little girl was recently shot in the legs...so much violence around here, the Denver area has gotten so bad imo.

 

[margarita25]

So, here we are, 4 months later, what do you guys think?

 

[margarita25]

FHG made a good point about the shooter(s) possibly planning/executing these incidents with a focus on the escape route, one that allows the opportunity (time, etc) for a clean getaway. It is my opinion as a local that the shooter(s) likely travels Hwy 287 frequently, jmo. The lack of incidents on this major road (knock on wood) seem odd to me, considering the proximity.

 

[searchinGirl]

FHG made a good point about the shooter(s) possibly planning/executing these incidents with a focus on the escape route, one that allows the opportunity (time, etc) for a clean getaway. It is my opinion as a local that the shooter(s) likely travels Hwy 287 frequently, jmo. The lack of incidents on this major road (knock on wood) seem odd to me, considering the proximity.

Well, at least one of us is now driving to Loveland (almost everyday) with a GoPro on the dash ... Thank you Foxfire... And Margarita, I think your point about Hwy 287 is well-taken considering how many places one can enter and exit that highway...unlike on I-25 if you get stuck in traffic you are truly stuck until traffic moves again...something else you mentioned earlier was the lack of activity in Boulder County...I read several letters from Boulder residents submitted to the recreational shooting study that were IMO irrational...stuff like shooters belong in the flatlands where it's noisy by nature...there are some extreme attitudes on both sides of the issue and I could see someone taking aggressions out this way...it's harder to believe that someone would kill over it...I've just been exploring possibilities and puting them out there for conversation...been gone a little while cuz I broke my ankle...

 

[margarita25]

Well, at least one of us is now driving to Loveland (almost everyday) with a GoPro on the dash ... Thank you Foxfire... And Margarita, I think your point about Hwy 287 is well-taken considering how many places one can enter and exit that highway...unlike on I-25 if you get stuck in traffic you are truly stuck until traffic moves again...something else you mentioned earlier was the lack of activity in Boulder County...I read several letters from Boulder residents submitted to the recreational shooting study that were IMO irrational...stuff like shooters belong in the flatlands where it's noisy by nature...there are some extreme attitudes on both sides of the issue and I could see someone taking aggressions out this way...it's harder to believe that someone would kill over it...I've just been exploring possibilities and puting them out there for conversation...been gone a little while cuz I broke my ankle...

Speedy healing to your ankle, ouch!

GoPro on the dash, great idea! Stay safe driving to Loveland daily. At least you will be keeping an eye out. I wish everyone was.

 

[searchinGirl]

Speedy healing to your ankle, ouch!

GoPro on the dash, great idea! Stay safe driving to Loveland daily. At least you will be keeping an eye out. I wish everyone was.

Thank you...it's actually hubby doing the driving and while he loves his GoPro he has always had a knack for spotting things along the way like Eagles in trees...and if someone were to shoot at him he will shoot back...no doubt about it...I often wonder if Mr Connole or Mr. Jacoby saw what was happening to them and had they been armed would have had the ability to respond?...it's so sad what happened to them at the hands of a coward...and the mentality of someone who views us ordinary citizens as sitting ducks...one thing I know I've been doing differently is actually looking into cars rather than just looking at the traffic...I wish people were more concerned about this ongoing threat but it just seems like they have their heads in the sand...

 

[FindHG]

Well, at least one of us is now driving to Loveland (almost everyday) with a GoPro on the dash ... Thank you Foxfire... And Margarita, I think your point about Hwy 287 is well-taken considering how many places one can enter and exit that highway...unlike on I-25 if you get stuck in traffic you are truly stuck until traffic moves again...something else you mentioned earlier was the lack of activity in Boulder County...I read several letters from Boulder residents submitted to the recreational shooting study that were IMO irrational...stuff like shooters belong in the flatlands where it's noisy by nature...there are some extreme attitudes on both sides of the issue and I could see someone taking aggressions out this way...it's harder to believe that someone would kill over it...I've just been exploring possibilities and puting them out there for conversation...been gone a little while cuz I broke my ankle...

OUCH!!!! searchingGirl, sorry you broke your ankle, wishing you a speedy recovery.

I don't know how to make sense of any extreme attitudes that would condone this, beside the one thing they all seem to have in common:

the hubris it takes to assume some perverse compilation of ideas justifies terrorizing and murder of random soft targets to make a point, due to underlying cowardice of not being able to confront their own failures.

 

[CathyinCO]

Another. This one from Sunday AM
FORT COLLINS COLORADOAN - A woman reported her windshield shattered while she was driving on Interstate 25 in Fort Collins on Sunday marking, the third reported shattered window on the interstate in Larimer County in four days, according to emergency radio reports.
The windshield shattered on southbound I-25 near mile marker 271, just north of the Mulberry Street exit. The woman reportedly said she believed the windshield was shot out.
The woman is not meeting with Colorado State Patrol until later this evening, according to the emergency radio. If troopers believe the incident is related with the three unsolved shootings of people, two fatal, in Northern Colorado that occurred over the summer, they will relay the information and evidence to the task force investigating the two fatal shootings, said task force spokesman David Moore.
Read more at the Coloradoan: http://noconow.co/1U2WEuy