CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #10

[Seattle1]

An attorney who intentionally taints a provisional jury pool regardless of the stage of the case, should be immediately reported and reprimanded IMO.

I'm not sure how you got "intentional tainting jury" from my post so let me be clear, that was not intent of my post/reply.

 

[DAdvocate]

<modsnip remember to alert if you see any name calling>. I’m trying to understand the ins and outs of this case. Yes I believe there is a chance his story is true, but I’ve also stated that I believe it’s also possible he killed them all only to back out of killing himself. That really makes the most sense given the total lack of removal of evidence!

I don’t think it’s wrong to bring up an apparent mountain of stress that he and she may have been under. The weight of all that can make people do horrible things. Are they right to do it, no, but chances are they may not have done I if the circumstances were different.

 

[kimlynn]

I think from reading through many of the posts, there is some certainly not all but some agreement that SW job was a Thrive scheme. There is also agreement that maybe they were in big financial trouble. I have also seen posts that point to SW wearing the pants in the relationship.

I think all of this is the ingredients for a major disaster. I’m now at 50-50 his story is true or this was a failed murder-suicide. I just don’t see him as killings his kids to be with a mistress. I could see Scott Peterson as someone who would do that, but I just don’t get that feeling about CW.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when a woman is blamed for working or taking some control in order to make her life and those around her better.IMO
If only she had simpered more she may still be with us.

 

[CFlo]

Will the affair have different significance if the AP is married? What about if it is clear the AP had no intention of changing their situation.

Hummmm, I have no idea but those are interesting questions.

 

[isalybra]

Thank you

Thank you for chiming in with the facts.
I’m so sorry you and so many are going through these huge losses. I can only imagine some of what you read here by a few only adds to it. I commend you for being strong, sticking around and replying.

All,
I am not a Thrive promoter. I do believe that she answered this question, and the rest I also found on this link, by doing a simple google search.
From now knowing what level she was at, and which she was close to hitting, go here and tabulate:
https://media.le-vel.com/Documents/RewardsPlan.pdf
I also include the picture that gained from public knowledge at this point, what I see as what would be the minimum affects of her income. I used red circles or notations. This page does not include the bonus trips paid for by the company. She was at least Level 6, car bonus shows that.
*Now bring CWs Thrive salary into the mix, who also had to be at least a Level 6 for his car bonus, if I am reading this correctly.
BTW, that percent is for each level. Each.
They were not destitute by any means. ANY, IMO.
BK was five a year prior to finding Thrive.
HOA suit, we still don’t know what that’s for but I’m still sticking with my original poster thought they were fighting fines, until I see otherwise. And honestly, not my business anyway.

Yes, pyramid schemes are illegal. Someone said MLM gets around that by selling s product and downlines. This really got me thinking the past week. How is THIS MLM company any different than a Corporate structure and/or one that has a bonus plan. With my Corporate job, I am really failing to see the difference, and I never gave it much thought until this past week, like I said.
Use me as an example: Corporate Technology Director, that has a bonus structure geared to the technology PRODUCT that I sell existing or new clients.
Sold: $44M USD, 1 year
Director bonus, 1 year: $3,332 USD (after taxes)
Above me (each title increases their bonus percentage of what I sold):
Sr Dir: plus 10%
VP: plus 15% of what I sold, every sr director and director UNDER them.
Exec VP plus 20%, CEO/Pres 25%

Just food for thought. I’ll still being chewing on this myself for awhile.

Thank you. Most of it hurts deeply to read just knowing this is reality and she is gone. Some of it is near unbearable. I am here though because I needed a place to talk and think this out myself as well and I can't talk to our friends because everyone is just hurting so immensely. I want to try and be as objective as possible and unemotional to try and work through it like everyone else.

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

I’m trying to understand the ins and outs of this case. Yes I believe there is a chance his story is true, but I’ve also stated that I believe it’s also possible he killed them all only to back out of killing himself. That really makes the most sense given the total lack of removal of evidence!

I don’t think it’s wrong to bring up an apparent mountain of stress that he and she may have been under. The weight of all that can make people do horrible things. Are they right to do it, no, but chances are they may not have done I if the circumstances were different.

I don’t think he possibly killed them only to back out of killing himself. He’s a selfish evil monster who wanted to live life without them. Plain and simple. If there is any truth regarding him saying Shanann killed the girls, he could have simply called 911, not put their dead bodies in a tank.

 

[bluesneakers]

Isalybra,
How do the patches make you feel? can you put too many on? Do the patches give you energy? What are the adverse side effects you or your clients have experienced?

I don't know if CW will try to say "Thrive made me do it" or "Thrive made her do it!" but crazier defense strategies have been tried.

Thrive weightloss patch raises questions

Dr Shaun Holt, the medical director of HoneyLab, warns there are many reasons to be wary of the Thrive DFT patch, which is not supported by clinical trials. "Best case is that it is a waste of money, worst case is that it is dangerous," he says.

There have been 16 "adverse health events" associated with Thrive reported to the US Food and Drug administration since 2013, including abdominal pain, headaches and fatigue. Three involved hospitalisation.

"I would be very sceptical that sufficient levels of the ingredients would pass through the skin," says Dr Holt. "There are no studies to confirm the levels that enter the bloodstream, if any."

However, if sufficient levels of the ingredients were absorbed by the body, it could be dangerous.

"Some of the ingredients are just bizarre. CoQ10 can lower blood pressure if the dose is high enough. Willow bark extract is basically aspirin. Safety is a real concern. If high-enough levels get into the bloodstream, the safety of this is not known without clinical trials," says Dr Holt.

 

[DAdvocate]

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when a woman is blamed for working or taking some control in order to make her life and those around her better.IMO
If only she had simpered more she may still be with us.

I’m not saying that. I’m saying that if they didn’t have enough money to afford a lavish lifestyle and went in debt because of it, likely both parties are to blame. That doesn’t mean the family should be harmed, but financial stress can make you crazy!!!

 

[cottonweaver]

Thanks for the timely advice.

( too far back to find an reply directly to her post)

IMO re Suzi's post, if you find Defense on a thread, they know the detail of the case, or at least have read back the threads ....

 

[Ilovemy3boys]

I’m not saying that. I’m saying that if they didn’t have enough money to afford a lavish lifestyle and went in debt because of it, likely both parties are to blame. That doesn’t mean the family should be harmed, but financial stress can make you crazy!!!

Many people have financial stress but I doubt they MURDER their loved ones to rid of it. MURDER is never the answer to anything.

 

[Sabrina1011]

I’m trying to understand the ins and outs of this case. Yes I believe there is a chance his story is true, but I’ve also stated that I believe it’s also possible he killed them all only to back out of killing himself. That really makes the most sense given the total lack of removal of evidence!

I don’t think it’s wrong to bring up an apparent mountain of stress that he and she may have been under. The weight of all that can make people do horrible things. Are they right to do it, no, but chances are they may not have done I if the circumstances were different.

I too believe there is a chance his story is true.

 

[MindHunter13]

I'm not sure how you got "intentional tainting jury" from my post but let me be clear, that was not intent of my post/reply.

"I believe attorney early use of posters would be more to support a request for "change of venue"

I took that to mean that the attorney was hiring individuals to post online about the case. If this is true, this would be tantamount to jury tampering as he would be placing undue influence upon the potential jury pool. Hence why District Attorney's will not speak to the press about a case. A defense attorney is supposed to hold themselves to the same standard.

 

[kimlynn]

I’m not saying that. I’m saying that if they didn’t have enough money to afford a lavish lifestyle and went in debt because of it, likely both parties are to blame. That doesn’t mean the family should be harmed, but financial stress can make you crazy!!!

So you don't think a woman "wearing the pants" is a reason to kill?
Because you did list that as a potential reason.

 

[Jennifer17]

I too believe there is a chance his story is true.

So, how do you get over the fact that he hid his children's bodies in dark, dirty oil?
And all the lies he has told? Why believe he is telling the truth, now?

 

[Sleutherfly]

Will the affair have different significance if the AP is married? What about if it is clear the AP had no intention of changing their situation.

If the AP is married and had no intention to leave spouse, I would think money is the motive, i.e. the sale of the house (approx 100k). CW may have also had a 401k that he didn't want to share.

 

[Nessa131]

Sorry if this has already been asked- i have read every post on all threads but with as many as there are- i have forgotten some of what i have read i am sure.

I know we will all know more once this hits the trail- if it goes that far. I believe it will. But

1. Do we know when to have the autopsy results with cod for all 3?
2. I hve read that most tanks are heated. Will this affect the dna/ tod on the little girls? Will it effect the stomach contents (i know a poster mentioned earlier that should help tremendously on trying to determine tod.
3. I know the next court date is November. Is this just for how he pleads? When do we expect any type of trial? 3 or more years? Or do we think it will be sooner due to publicity?

 

[DAdvocate]

Many people have financial stress but I doubt they MURDER their loved ones to rid of it. MURDER is never the answer to anything.

I agree with that, it’s not the answer, but I believe it can make people feel like it is the answer.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

So, how do you get over the fact that he hid his children's bodies in dark, dirty oil?
And all the lies he has told? Why believe he is telling the truth, now?

LE doesnt believe him and they're throwing everything they got at him.
I think CW is going down.

Moo

 

[MindHunter13]

So, how do you get over the fact that he hid his children's bodies in dark, dirty oil?
And all the lies he has told? Why believe he is telling the truth, now?

Solely to play devil's advocate, many innocent people lie to hide "shameful" behavior.

Hiding his children's bodies can be explained as a means of trying to save his wife's image.

Now I personally do not believe this to be the case but I have seen instances where either of the above can easily be true.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

My suspicion is that the affair started after June 25-26, 2018 and while SW was away in NC with the girls for 6 weeks. There are photos on SW's face book page up until and including those dates where CW is looking tanned, relaxed, affectionate with SW and smiling seemingly enjoying the get a ways with SW that they took together for the Thrive conventions. What young couple wouldn't enjoy those kinds of romantic get a ways to out of State places, even to Toronto and the Caribbean, without their children? It would certainly keep the romance going in the marriage to have alone time away from their young children especially knowing their girls were safe and in great hands at home with family or trusted babysitter.
I think that CW was a virile man of recent because he was in great shape (by the photos on SM, CW looked to be in the best shape of his life) what with a 6 to 7 mile daily jogging routine (NT confirmed this), going to the gym, eating healthy with meals prepared by SW.
I read posts on SM where he would refer to SW as his "sexy" wife, so that image meant something to CW that his wife portray that to the world and for him as well.
Again, I suspect the affair started while SW was away in NC and the affair intensified during those 6 weeks. CW was likely completely in lust and infatuated with the mistress both romantically and sexually and he did not want to stop seeing her or risk losing her ~ even possibly making plans for a future with the mistress after divorcing SW.
Keep in mind SW told NU that in recent weeks CW was distant, no longer affectionate and she suspected he was having an affair so that leads me to think the affair was a recent event.
Lust is a powerful emotion.