CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #10

[Layla123]

The thing is with the money excuse, how many families out there are struggling financially with other problems besides. IMO that will not sway a jury that that kind of stress would cause a person to snap and then hide his babies in tanks of oil. It would kill me to put my kids in them tanks.

I agree. I’m just grasping at straws, trying to figure out what would make a man who appeared to have it all commit such a heinous act. But I certainly am not offering him any sympathy, only trying to figure out where his head was at.

 

[DAdvocate]

Are you saying that that is evidence of their suffering?

I’m saying it is sad that they did not include them because as the girls paternal grand parents they are grieving too. Why not include them?

 

[Amonet]

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about this. I need to watch and listen to all the videos again. Do you have the link handy for this one?

Yes, this is the one where CW opines that he misses telling them to eat their dinner or they won't get dessert

Video: Chris Watts pleads for kids, wife to return day before his arrest in their murders

@MindHunter13

 

[MerryB]

The thing is with the money excuse, how many families out there are struggling financially with other problems besides. IMO that will not sway a jury that that kind of stress would cause a person to snap and then hide his babies in tanks of oil. It would kill me to put my kids in them tanks.

IMO it’s not an excuse AT ALL. However, the financial stress plays into motive. There were other issues at play as well.

I do not think the jury will be swayed. It was a heinous crime. What interests me, and many others, is what would cause this man, who by many accounts was a loving husband & father, to do this? We may never know. But we are looking to analyze it—-never excuse it.

Stressors that may affect one person a certain way may not be the same for another. I tend to think in C.W.’s case, he had an underlying PD or mental health issue & specific stressors (financial, emotional, etc.) caused something to flip a switch.

Would that happen to most “normal” people? No way. But how else could someone who is able to hold a job, maintain relationships, actively participate in his community, have no history of violence (that we know of)...literally squeeze the life out of his wife and young children & then dispose of them in that way?

 

[Nessa131]

I'm not really getting the question. Are you referring to double jeopardy? That only applies if he was found not guilty and walked. He could never be charged again for the murder of his wife and son.

If you asking if there were additional charges that could have been indicted for but was not, that would be at the descretion of the DA. I don't know of anything illegal he did after killing his family except his obvious attempt of flight. He had his family verify his BS story in regards to being in possession of his passport, brother,s driver's license and the money he had on him his mother covered for him with the lame excuse of getting savings accounts mixed up. They obviously knew he was going to run and they were ok with it.

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This was what i was asking about not double jeopardy. So if the second quote is true- if he did confess to his dad or alleged ap could it be used or is there a law against that? After writing this out - i think I answered my own question. It can be used and im too tired to think cognitively right now. Lol

 

[Mrspratcher]

Oftentimes the obituary states the day in which they were officially confirmed as dead. The death certificate date may differ. My son's obit, for instance, stated the 22nd, even though he technically died on the night of the 21st. Because I didn't find him until that following morning, the hospital didn't declare him deceased until that next day.

So sorry for your loss.

 

[Steelhead]

http://sandhillssentinel.com/obituary-for-shanann-cathryn-watts-and-children/

Anyone find it odd the obit says they passed on 8/16?

Prob because they don't know the actual dates, yet.

 

[margarita25]

You mean a married man having an affair is a homewrecker? Yes, I agree. It's having names and placing blame on the unmarried person I have an issue with. For instance in this case many people would refer to AP as a "home wrecker" but she is not the one who made promises to SW. She did not wreck anyone's home. CW did that.

(Oh of course, I was just throwing in my o/t tidbit about how a man can knowingly have an affair with a married woman with kids too. I just sort of jumped in, hadn’t read back. But I did want the women of the world to know this lol)

 

[Stunned]

The names were not in obituary .

Sad. Who paid for obituary?

 

[Starkville]

Talk about lack of empathy!

Chris Watts’s parents lost three grandchildren. They MUST be suffering. Besides losing their grandchildren, they’ve lost a son and are facing great shame.

Why is everyone being so ugly about his family? Do you all suppose they’re popping champagne and throwing confetti? Can’t you put yourself in their shoes and imagine how bad they must feel?

I’m pretty sure that, just like the mistresses, they’ve been advised to be absolutely silent.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

He wasn’t wearing ring when she anno

Oftentimes the obituary states the day in which they were officially confirmed as dead. The death certificate date may differ. My son's obit, for instance, stated the 22nd, even though he technically died on the night of the 21st. Because I didn't find him until that following morning, the hospital didn't declare him deceased until that next day.

Oh mtnlites, I am so very sorry.

 

[DAdvocate]

Talk about lack of empathy!

Chris Watts’s parents lost three grandchildren. They MUST be suffering. Besides losing their grandchildren, they’ve lost a son and are facing great shame.

Why is everyone being so ugly about his family? Do you all suppose they’re popping champagne and throwing confetti? Can’t you put yourself in their shoes and imagine how bad they must feel?

I’m pretty sure that, just like the mistresses, they’ve been advised to be absolutely silent.

Exactly!!!

 

[Hazelnutty]

http://sandhillssentinel.com/obituary-for-shanann-cathryn-watts-and-children/

Anyone find it odd the obit says they passed on 8/16?

Just when you think you won't cry another tear over someone you never met.... you read their obituary.

I cannot begin to imagine what the family is going thru. My heart goes out to them.

 

[bluesneakers]

I really don't think that obituary is official. JMO of course, but I would wait for one published in legit media or by the funeral home her family is using to judge what it says and who is or isn't mentioned.

 

[Hazelnutty]

I got so upset reading the obituary. How dare he kill them all. Then smile.

I agree. He is a monster.

 

[Sabrina1011]

I agree.

Did you hear their side of the story? How can you be so sure...

 

[margarita25]

I guess that's when the bodies were found and death was called by the ME.

All this date business reminds me of the discussions we had in Abby’s and Libby’s case re: same type of thing with the 2 different dates. Maybe somebody can summarize that clearly if they remember the explanation given?

 

[Leimsieder]

Yep. He had this all worked out in his mind and then the plane delay. I’d imagine the girls were deceased a few hours either in the home or the truck. IMO they were in the home and he made sure she saw them before he attacked her.

If the girls’ bodies were in bags from the time they died until they left the house, would cadaver dogs still alert?

I share the same opinion on this, too. My guess is that the purpose of killing the babies were to punish Shanann and that would have required to see the horror, the shock, the sheer suffering in her eyes and then killing her meant to get back control. I imagine this scenario being very violent, for example dragging her through the house by grabbing her by the hair and probably beating/hitting her in the stomach area as per se I do interpret death by terminating a pregnancy. I do really try not to speculate deeper but just can't help because this case breaks my heart too much.

PS.: I think that cadaver dogs would hit on the scent that way too, yes.

 

[Deleted member 134862]

IMO it’s not an excuse AT ALL. However, the financial stress plays into motive. There were other issues at play as well.

I do not think the jury will be swayed. It was a heinous crime. What interests me, and many others, is what would cause this man, who by many accounts was a loving husband & father, to do this? We may never know. But we are looking to analyze it—-never excuse it.

Stressors that may affect one person a certain way may not be the same for another. I tend to think in C.W.’s case, he had an underlying PD or mental health issue & specific stressors (financial, emotional, etc.) caused something to flip a switch.

Would that happen to most “normal” people? No way. But how else could someone who is able to hold a job, maintain relationships, actively participate in his community, have no history of violence (that we know of)...literally squeeze the life out of his wife and young children & then dispose of them in that way?

EXACTLY!! Perfectly put.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Mum's tragic post about protecting her girl days before dad 'murdered them'
This is the only mention of peanuts I could find.
Shanann "the kid put a peanut in his drink"

 

[bleuboy]

We don’t know that his family is grieving? OMG

I didn't mean that to read as the grandparents was not grieving. My point was towards why they might have been left off. My post should ha v mentioned the nuts incident as well but I'm on kindle and it's 3.55am here in the UK and I never proof read my post.
of course they are grieving but it's the same assuming that we are having to do with a lot of the theories we put across. Most things are common sense to assume.

again never meant they were not upset.